And here's the career list, minimum 1500 PA's.

Obviously not Dunn, Kittle, or Thome.

Think about it. Traditionally the three is your best offensive player or run producer. The White Sox "best offensive player" may hit under .200 and destroy the all time strike out in a season record. This is fucked up.

August 8th 2012
DUNN-O-METER
.206
AND FALLING


Dunn is approaching .199 fast. He may not get 100 hits.

I just dont ever remember a three hitter in a line up for a year ever having a batting average around .200. Whether you agree that its important to have a good avg or not is not the issue. I tried without looking it up and I cant think of anyone. Maybe a Canseco year? Did Cecil Fielder ever bat third? I know Carlos Pena hit under .200 a couple of years ago for TB and again this year but I dont know where he bats in the line up though I doubt in the three spot. Not to mention Dunn's strikeouts which will no doubt be an all time record. Dunn may be having the most unusual season by a hitter in history.

Think about it. Traditionally the three is your best offensive player or run producer. The White Sox "best offensive player" may hit under .200 and destroy the all time strike out in a season record. This is fucked up.

Traditionally the three is your best offensive player or run producer.

And for the 2012 White Sox, that's Adam Dunn: 65 runs scored, 75 RBI.

So trickybeck, you would rather your #3 guy hit .300, but have 8 Hrs, 25 RBI, and 25 runs scored at this point?

I know that if I've got a guy on second and I need to drive him in, I'll take Tony Perez. You're welcome to Darrell Porter.

So trickybeck, you would rather your #3 guy hit .300, but have 8 Hrs, 25 RBI, and 25 runs scored at this point?

If there's a runner on second, 2012 Konerko is going to have a much better chance to drive him in than 2012 Dunn.

Konerko has an extra-base hit in 9.28% of his AB's. He has a single in 22.28% of his AB's. Let's say 75% of the time a single drives in a run from second? That's just a guess. So Konerko drives that run in 25.99% of the time.
Dunn would drive in that runner 18.36% of the time.

Unless you're arguing that Konerko isn't clutch? I don't really know, since I don't watch the games. But I've never heard anyone make that argument.

Oh, and I'd take Tony Perez, too. He's a straight-up better hitter than Porter, both by conventional stats and by modern stats. So I'm not sure what you're getting at.

I'd rather have Paul Konerko with his current numbers than Adam Dunn with his current numbers. That's the only argument I've been making in this thread. Konerko has better BA, better OBP, and better Slugging. He has enough HR's to justify batting #3, compared to other Sox hitters anyway. I don't think I'm making a strange argument. You people are so weird.

The #3 hitter is supposed to drive in runs, or get on base for the guy behind him to drive in runs.

We are the weird ones, but you would rather Konerko than Alex Rios if you were going to change the #3 hitter.


The #3 hitter is supposed to drive in runs, or get on base for the guy behind him to drive in runs. Adam Dunn has done that all season. You can argue until the cows come home, but until you realize that Dunn is doing what a #3 hitter should be doing, your argument has been and will continue to be flawed.

And Konerko has a better OBP and a better SLG than Dunn. Thanks for making my argument for me. You are truly laughable. I'm not going to bother trying to have any more serious discussions here. Goodbye.

But with stat heads supposedly refuting the idea of line up orders mattering maybe this discussion is useless.