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| Author: | Keyser Soze [ Tue Nov 06, 2012 3:58 pm ] |
| Post subject: | Floyd for Moustakas? |
It moved when I read this article. I say hell yes and the Sox can throw in Sanchez, Snodgress, Casrto or preferably Jared Mitchell. Moustakas would be a perfect long term answer at 3B and his left handed bat would play real nicely at the Cell. http://bleacherreport.com/articles/1398 ... takas-deal |
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| Author: | Brick [ Tue Nov 06, 2012 3:59 pm ] |
| Post subject: | Re: Floyd for Moustakas? |
Looks like Hahn is doing a good job taking over the "best GM in the city" title that Kenny left him. |
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| Author: | Frank Coztansa [ Tue Nov 06, 2012 4:04 pm ] |
| Post subject: | Re: Floyd for Moustakas? |
I would think they'd have to give up a lot more than Gavin to get Moustakas. |
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| Author: | Hatchetman [ Tue Nov 06, 2012 4:06 pm ] |
| Post subject: | Re: Floyd for Moustakas? |
I was kind of hoping we would get away from dealing prospects. I'd rather hand the job to Sanchez. |
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| Author: | Dr. Kenneth Noisewater [ Tue Nov 06, 2012 4:09 pm ] |
| Post subject: | Re: Floyd for Moustakas? |
Just sayin'. #TonysDeli |
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| Author: | Douchebag [ Tue Nov 06, 2012 4:10 pm ] |
| Post subject: | Re: Floyd for Moustakas? |
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| Author: | Frank Coztansa [ Tue Nov 06, 2012 4:10 pm ] |
| Post subject: | Re: Floyd for Moustakas? |
Dr. Kenneth Noisewater wrote: Just sayin'. #TonysDeli |
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| Author: | Big Chicagoan [ Tue Nov 06, 2012 4:12 pm ] |
| Post subject: | Re: Floyd for Moustakas? |
Looks like a young Ian Stewart. |
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| Author: | Douchebag [ Tue Nov 06, 2012 4:13 pm ] |
| Post subject: | Re: Floyd for Moustakas? |
Frank Coztansa wrote: Dr. Kenneth Noisewater wrote: Just sayin'. #TonysDeli Ted Williams |
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| Author: | Frank Coztansa [ Tue Nov 06, 2012 4:16 pm ] |
| Post subject: | Re: Floyd for Moustakas? |
I'd expect IMU to say such foolishness. |
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| Author: | Keyser Soze [ Tue Nov 06, 2012 4:34 pm ] |
| Post subject: | Re: Floyd for Moustakas? |
Hatchetman wrote: I was kind of hoping we would get away from dealing prospects. I'd rather hand the job to Sanchez. Sanchez doesn't have the power to be a corner infielder. His value is as a middle infileder. I'm fine moving him for a young left handed power hitting third baseman who is also pretty good with the glove. |
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| Author: | good dolphin [ Tue Nov 06, 2012 5:51 pm ] |
| Post subject: | Re: Floyd for Moustakas? |
This is a story about a writer's speculation without even a hint of a source within either organization. It is as baseless as a Cubs fan's trust in Theo Epstien. |
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| Author: | Rod [ Tue Nov 06, 2012 7:06 pm ] |
| Post subject: | Re: Floyd for Moustakas? |
This is a typical case of the fan thinking the guy he doesn't have is better than the guy he does. Floyd is a huge bargain at less than $10 million. They should have tried to extend him for three more rather than just picking up that option. He's a guy you'll miss when he's gone and Quintana or Castro is trying to pick up his innings. |
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| Author: | Hatchetman [ Tue Nov 06, 2012 7:22 pm ] |
| Post subject: | Re: Floyd for Moustakas? |
Keyser Soze wrote: I'm fine moving him for a young left handed power hitting third baseman who is also pretty good with the glove. Good luck with that plan. |
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| Author: | Keyser Soze [ Tue Nov 06, 2012 8:45 pm ] |
| Post subject: | Re: Floyd for Moustakas? |
good dolphin wrote: This is a story about a writer's speculation without even a hint of a source within either organization. It is as baseless as a Cubs fan's trust in Theo Epstien. It's called the hot stove league. There is a lot of speculation trying to figure out who might be available and if there is a fit with another team. It's fun you old fuddy-duddy. |
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| Author: | bigfan [ Tue Nov 06, 2012 10:38 pm ] |
| Post subject: | Re: Floyd for Moustakas? |
Joe Orr Road Rod wrote: Floyd is a huge bargain at less than $10 million. . 
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| Author: | Rod [ Tue Nov 06, 2012 10:46 pm ] |
| Post subject: | Re: Floyd for Moustakas? |
bigfan wrote: Joe Orr Road Rod wrote: Floyd is a huge bargain at less than $10 million. . Outside of young guys who are under team control, who is paid less to give you what Floyd does? You couldn't sign a free agent like him for that money. |
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| Author: | rogers park bryan [ Tue Nov 06, 2012 10:51 pm ] |
| Post subject: | Re: Floyd for Moustakas? |
Boilermaker Rick wrote: Looks like Hahn is doing a good job taking over the "best GM in the city" title that Kenny left him. 2 playoff appearances in 12 years will be a difficult pace for Hahn to keep up. |
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| Author: | bigfan [ Tue Nov 06, 2012 10:51 pm ] |
| Post subject: | Re: Floyd for Moustakas? |
Joe Orr Road Rod wrote: bigfan wrote: Joe Orr Road Rod wrote: Floyd is a huge bargain at less than $10 million. . Outside of young guys who are under team control, who is paid less to give you what Floyd does? You couldn't sign a free agent like him for that money. Ryan Dempster |
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| Author: | rogers park bryan [ Tue Nov 06, 2012 10:54 pm ] |
| Post subject: | Re: Floyd for Moustakas? |
Joe Orr Road Rod wrote: This is a typical case of the fan thinking the guy he doesn't have is better than the guy he does. Floyd is a huge bargain at less than $10 million. They should have tried to extend him for three more rather than just picking up that option. He's a guy you'll miss when he's gone and Quintana or Castro is trying to pick up his innings. Moustachio is pretty good though |
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| Author: | Chus [ Wed Nov 07, 2012 2:01 am ] |
| Post subject: | Re: Floyd for Moustakas? |
Frank Coztansa wrote: Dr. Kenneth Noisewater wrote: Just sayin'. #TonysDeli Hank Aaron Babe Ruth Jesus Willie Mays |
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| Author: | Rod [ Wed Nov 07, 2012 11:29 am ] |
| Post subject: | Re: Floyd for Moustakas? |
bigfan wrote: Joe Orr Road Rod wrote: bigfan wrote: Joe Orr Road Rod wrote: Floyd is a huge bargain at less than $10 million. . Outside of young guys who are under team control, who is paid less to give you what Floyd does? You couldn't sign a free agent like him for that money. Ryan Dempster Dempster is probably coming off the best season he'll ever have and he's likely going to cost more than $10 million a season. My guess is the Sox could have extended Floyd for much less than someone is going to give him after this year. |
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| Author: | Rod [ Wed Nov 07, 2012 11:34 am ] |
| Post subject: | Re: Floyd for Moustakas? |
rogers park bryan wrote: Joe Orr Road Rod wrote: This is a typical case of the fan thinking the guy he doesn't have is better than the guy he does. Floyd is a huge bargain at less than $10 million. They should have tried to extend him for three more rather than just picking up that option. He's a guy you'll miss when he's gone and Quintana or Castro is trying to pick up his innings. Moustachio is pretty good though He looks like he might be but I'm not sure he's worth a potential front of the rotation pitcher right now. There's a lot of irrational Floyd hatred among Sox fans. At a baseline he's a guy who is going to make 30 starts and give you a .500 record and he has potential to put together some big seasons. I just think back to how different 2009 might have been had Kenny not given away Vazquez for nothing. |
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| Author: | Drop In [ Wed Nov 07, 2012 11:49 am ] |
| Post subject: | Re: Floyd for Moustakas? |
If this is actually up for discussion, the White Sox would be crazy to say no. Floyd is serviceable, and not expensive. He's had roughly a 4 ERA since 2008. 9.5 million option. Moustakas isn't eligible for arbitration until 2015, and there's nothing in the third base market. Floyd could be replaced, at even money or less, in free agency. |
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| Author: | Frank Coztansa [ Wed Nov 07, 2012 12:13 pm ] |
| Post subject: | Re: Floyd for Moustakas? |
Joe Orr Road Rod wrote: He looks like he might be but I'm not sure he's worth a potential front of the rotation pitcher right now. Um, he would be third in line on his own team for that right now.Sale, Peavy, and Danks would all be #1 and #2 starters over Floyd. You have to give up something to get something. If the Sox have to chance to give up a 30 starts with a 4- 4.5 ERA, a .500 record at or below market value for a potential long term slugger at 3rd base, the Sox need to make that deal. As people have pointed out, you can replace those numbers internally or in the free agent market. Guthrie, McCarthy, Saunders, Pavano, Chris Young, Loshe, maybe even Liriano are all guys that could put up Floydesque numbers for at or below $9mil a season. You keep going to back to Javy Vazquez who pissed down his pantleg time and time again in September & October 2008. He is small game Javy. Let it go. |
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| Author: | Keyser Soze [ Wed Nov 07, 2012 12:26 pm ] |
| Post subject: | Re: Floyd for Moustakas? |
Dat's exactly right. Floyd has value but on this team he's a fourth starter where on another team he might be a three or even a two in Kansas City's case. The Sox would be trading from a position of strength to upgrade a position of weakness. It's a no-brainer. |
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| Author: | Rod [ Wed Nov 07, 2012 12:47 pm ] |
| Post subject: | Re: Floyd for Moustakas? |
Frank Coztansa wrote: Joe Orr Road Rod wrote: He looks like he might be but I'm not sure he's worth a potential front of the rotation pitcher right now. Um, he would be third in line on his own team for that right now.Sale, Peavy, and Danks would all be #1 and #2 starters over Floyd. You have to give up something to get something. If the Sox have to chance to give up a 30 starts with a 4- 4.5 ERA, a .500 record at or below market value for a potential long term slugger at 3rd base, the Sox need to make that deal. As people have pointed out, you can replace those numbers internally or in the free agent market. Guthrie, McCarthy, Saunders, Pavano, Chris Young, Loshe, maybe even Liriano are all guys that could put up Floydesque numbers for at or below $9mil a season. You keep going to back to Javy Vazquez who pissed down his pantleg time and time again in September & October 2008. He is small game Javy. Let it go. You're probably not going to get any of those guys for less than $9 million a season. There might be a free agent starter out there who is better than Floyd next season for less money, but you probably aren't going to identify him beforehand. And would it vreally surprise you if Floyd was the top guy in the rotation next year? If it would, I have to think you've never seen him pitch. Moustakas has never posted a 100 OPS+ season. I know he's young, but you're making a lot of assumptions. Morel might be just as good. I guess we'll see next season if either of them progress. As far as Vazquez is concerned, you're way off base about him. He was a solid 200 inning guy who was going to give you at least .500 in his starts on a decent team and maybe a whole lot more. If they had had him in '09 instead of trying to squeeze starts out of the likes of Torres and Nunez or whoever it was, they may have won the division again. And the fact that he was given away for NOTHING will never be forgotten by me. The deals on Swisher and Vazquez both coming and going have been horrible for the Sox. Kenny Williams has to wear that. |
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| Author: | Frank Coztansa [ Wed Nov 07, 2012 1:02 pm ] |
| Post subject: | Re: Floyd for Moustakas? |
I don't care if Javy was .500 and started 40 games. He sucked in the playoffs and down the stretch when his team needed him most. Nothing off base about that. Everybody on that list of pitchers going to make less than $9 million this season. |
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| Author: | good dolphin [ Wed Nov 07, 2012 1:10 pm ] |
| Post subject: | Re: Floyd for Moustakas? |
Danks and Floyd's production has been pretty even. I know they were paying for potential, but Danks is making 15 million. I think Floyd is undervalued by people as well. His inconsistency is frustrating but those long stretches of dominance he has are a thing of beauty. There is no one who makes batters look as foolish as Floyd when he is on. Lohse is going to be making Danks money. I would take Floyd over every single one of the other people you mentioned Frank. |
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| Author: | Frank Coztansa [ Wed Nov 07, 2012 1:15 pm ] |
| Post subject: | Re: Floyd for Moustakas? |
Floyd career is 4 games over .500 with 4.46 ERA Vazquez is 5 games over .500 with a 4.22 ERA There is a reason for that; they are on just as much as they are off. They aren't bad pitchers, but they are very tradeable. And a 35 year old Vazquez didn't even play in 2012. |
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