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I was laughed at heartily when I suggested that Quintana and/or Axelrod could probably put up similar numbers.

"Losing pitcher" Gavin Floyd. Hope he can recover and end up pitching again, just not for the Sox.

Epstien will sign him to a 2 year deal in the off season

good dolphin wrote:

Epstien will sign him to a 2 year deal in the off season

Actually, he would be a good one to target. Probably willing to sign a 1 year deal at fairly low money, to prove himself healthy and get a longer contract. If he had a great (or very good) 3 months, then he could bring a decent prospect. I would definitely contact him.

The worst part about the injury is that the Sox won't be able to trade him for prospects at the end of July.

Sorry you have to go under the knife Gavin, but good fucking riddance. You were a flash in the pan and never helped the Sox when needed.

Unfortunately this team is so bad and has so many holes, that getting rid of Floyd is like rearranging the deck chairs on the Titanic.

The expected time of recovery for Floyd, 30, is from 14 to 19 months.

I was laughed at heartily when I suggested that Quintana and/or Axelrod could probably put up similar numbers.

I bet he will not end up any worse than a game or 2 below .500 with an ERA between 4.5 and 4.8

Thats what I said Quintana or Axelrod could do, that it wasn't much worse than what Floyd has done every year since 2009, and I was laughed at. We'll see what happens at the end of the season. My contention all along was that Floyd is a guy who could be replaced fairly easily, and I haven't backed down from that.

There is at least a realistic chance that either Axelrod or Quintana might get 12 wins this year.

Frank Coztansa wrote:

You're not really so wrong, Frank, but the difference between guys like Floyd, Jackson, Sanchez who have heavy stuff is that they have potential to do a lot more. Maybe they will and maybe the won't. But I'd bet anything I have that Dylan Axelrod never wins 17 games in a season. He might not win 17 in his career.

Agreed. And as I said, that would not be much worse than Floyd, who since 2008 has lost 11, 13, 13, 11 games.

You're right. That sounds very silly.

Frank Coztansa wrote:

There is at least a realistic chance that either Axelrod or Quintana might get 12 wins this year.

And 15 losses.

Floyds best years may well be ahead.

Author:	denisdman [ Mon May 06, 2013 2:18 pm ]
Post subject:	Bye Bye Gavin
Too bad you're a free agent. Floyd, who can become a free agent after this season, was 0-4 with a 5.18 ERA in five starts with the Sox. He was 63-65 in 175 games during his time with the Sox from 2007-2013.

Author:	good dolphin [ Mon May 06, 2013 2:39 pm ]
Post subject:	Re: Bye Bye Gavin
Epstien will sign him to a 2 year deal in the off season

Author:	Frank Coztansa [ Mon May 06, 2013 2:57 pm ]
Post subject:	Re: Bye Bye Gavin
I was laughed at heartily when I suggested that Quintana and/or Axelrod could probably put up similar numbers. "Losing pitcher" Gavin Floyd. Hope he can recover and end up pitching again, just not for the Sox.

Author:	denisdman [ Mon May 06, 2013 2:59 pm ]
Post subject:	Re: Bye Bye Gavin
There's not much right with the Sox these days, but those guys are bright spots.

Author:	SHARK [ Mon May 06, 2013 3:11 pm ]
Post subject:	Re: Bye Bye Gavin
Frank Coztansa wrote: I was laughed at heartily when I suggested that Quintana and/or Axelrod could probably put up similar numbers. "Losing pitcher" Gavin Floyd. Hope he can recover and end up pitching again, just not for the Sox. Frank, Quintana & Axelrod have pitched much better than their records indicate. Their starts are being wasted because of this crappy offense!

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Author:	Urlacher's missing neck [ Mon May 06, 2013 3:55 pm ]
Post subject:	Re: Bye Bye Gavin
Sounds like his injury is worse than just the torn ucl. Out a minimum of 14 months. See ya in 2015.

Author:	Country Bumpkin [ Mon May 06, 2013 3:59 pm ]
Post subject:	Re: Bye Bye Gavin
Sorry you have to go under the knife Gavin, but good fucking riddance. You were a flash in the pan and never helped the Sox when needed. Unfortunately this team is so bad and has so many holes, that getting rid of Floyd is like rearranging the deck chairs on the Titanic.

Author:	Frank Coztansa [ Mon May 06, 2013 4:03 pm ]
Post subject:	Re: Bye Bye Gavin
The worst part about the injury is that the Sox won't be able to trade him for prospects at the end of July.

Author:	Keyser Soze [ Mon May 06, 2013 4:58 pm ]
Post subject:	Re: Bye Bye Gavin
They should have traded him during the off season.

Author:	Elmhurst Steve [ Mon May 06, 2013 10:33 pm ]
Post subject:	Re: Bye Bye Gavin
good dolphin wrote: Epstien will sign him to a 2 year deal in the off season Actually, he would be a good one to target. Probably willing to sign a 1 year deal at fairly low money, to prove himself healthy and get a longer contract. If he had a great (or very good) 3 months, then he could bring a decent prospect. I would definitely contact him.

Author:	Rod [ Tue May 07, 2013 5:40 am ]
Post subject:	Re: Bye Bye Gavin
Frank Coztansa wrote: The worst part about the injury is that the Sox won't be able to trade him for prospects at the end of July. That would have hurt more several years ago. These days teams are hanging on to their good young pitching the way a baby hangs onto a rattle. You've got to have guys like Floyd and Danks if you're going to win, but I don't believe anyone is going to give you much to rent them for a couple months. You could have probably gotten someone like Anthony Rizzo for him though.

Author:	good dolphin [ Tue May 07, 2013 8:10 am ]
Post subject:	Re: Bye Bye Gavin
Country Bumpkin wrote: Sorry you have to go under the knife Gavin, but good fucking riddance. You were a flash in the pan and never helped the Sox when needed. Unfortunately this team is so bad and has so many holes, that getting rid of Floyd is like rearranging the deck chairs on the Titanic. you forgetting 2005?

Author:	Kirkwood [ Tue May 07, 2013 8:18 am ]
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Elmhurst Steve wrote: Actually, he would be a good one to target. Probably willing to sign a 1 year deal at fairly low money, to prove himself healthy and get a longer contract. If he had a great (or very good) 3 months, then he could bring a decent prospect. I would definitely contact him. Quote: The expected time of recovery for Floyd, 30, is from 14 to 19 months. By the time Floyd returns the Cubs better be competing for a wildcard/division and have no use of his services.

Author:	rogers park bryan [ Tue May 07, 2013 8:24 am ]
Post subject:	Re: Bye Bye Gavin
Frank Coztansa wrote: I was laughed at heartily when I suggested that Quintana and/or Axelrod could probably put up similar numbers. Obviously, Floyd was pitching hurt and there is still a lot of time for Quintana to fade...again

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Author:	Frank Coztansa [ Tue May 07, 2013 8:40 am ]
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I bet he will not end up any worse than a game or 2 below .500 with an ERA between 4.5 and 4.8 Thats what I said Quintana or Axelrod could do, that it wasn't much worse than what Floyd has done every year since 2009, and I was laughed at. We'll see what happens at the end of the season. My contention all along was that Floyd is a guy who could be replaced fairly easily, and I haven't backed down from that.

Author:	Rod [ Tue May 07, 2013 8:49 am ]
Post subject:	Re: Bye Bye Gavin
Frank Coztansa wrote: I bet he will not end up any worse than a game or 2 below .500 with an ERA between 4.5 and 4.8 Thats what I said Quintana or Axelrod could do, that it wasn't much worse than what Floyd has done every year since 2009, and I was laughed at. We'll see what happens at the end of the season. My contention all along was that Floyd is a guy who could be replaced fairly easily, and I haven't backed down from that. You're not really so wrong, Frank, but the difference between guys like Floyd, Jackson, Sanchez who have heavy stuff is that they have potential to do a lot more. Maybe they will and maybe the won't. But I'd bet anything I have that Dylan Axelrod never wins 17 games in a season. He might not win 17 in his career.

Author:	Frank Coztansa [ Tue May 07, 2013 9:03 am ]
Post subject:	Re: Bye Bye Gavin
Gavin Floyd had a flash in the pan year in 2008. Good for him. His high water mark since that time is 12 wins, with an above .500 record only once, and never has gone over 200 innings since. There is at least a realistic chance that either Axelrod or Quintana might get 12 wins this year.

Author:	Rod [ Tue May 07, 2013 9:07 am ]
Post subject:	Re: Bye Bye Gavin
Frank Coztansa wrote: There is at least a realistic chance that either Axelrod or Quintana might get 12 wins this year. And 15 losses.

Author:	Rod [ Tue May 07, 2013 9:11 am ]
Post subject:	Re: Bye Bye Gavin
Frank Coztansa wrote: Agreed. And as I said, that would not be much worse than Floyd, who since 2008 has lost 11, 13, 13, 11 games. This may sound silly, but you have to be good enough to be allowed to lose 11, 13, 13, and 11 games in consecutive seasons. My guess is that Quintana isn't.

Author:	Elmhurst Steve [ Tue May 07, 2013 10:16 pm ]
Post subject:	Re: Bye Bye Gavin
Joe Orr Road Rod wrote: Frank Coztansa wrote: There is at least a realistic chance that either Axelrod or Quintana might get 12 wins this year. And 15 losses. Axelrod and Quintana are both guys that get the more from their abilities. Neither has exceptional stuff and both have little room for error as a result. Their ceiling is a lot lower that a guy like Floyd's, because Floyd (when healthy) has better stuff. Floyds best years may well be ahead.

Author:	Frank Coztansa [ Wed May 08, 2013 7:23 am ]
Post subject:	Re: Bye Bye Gavin
Elmhurst Steve wrote: Floyds best years may well be ahead. Except that he will not pitch again in the majors this year, and quite possibly all of next year. He could be 32 by the time he is able to pitch again, and his best years might be ahead of him? You are a special kind of stupid. Do you think Mariano Rivera's "best years may well be ahead" of him too?

Author:	Elmhurst Steve [ Thu May 09, 2013 8:33 am ]
Post subject:	Re: Bye Bye Gavin
Floyd will likely be back by around the All-Star game next season. After Tommy John surgery, most pitchers perform BETTER than they did before it. Floyd has a lot of ability and after the surgery, I won't be surprised if he has a couple of his best seasons. Many starting pitchers don't have their best years until they reach around 30 years old or older.