Hatchetman wrote:
rogers park bryan wrote:
What about Manuel v Ventura?
jeez, there's a toughie. I'd rather look at Ventura's face than Manuel's sour puss. Lamont was better than them.
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| Author: | Keyser Soze [ Fri Jan 24, 2014 1:02 pm ] |
| Post subject: | Robin Ventura |
Signs multi-year extension. Awesome. |
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| Author: | rogers park bryan [ Fri Jan 24, 2014 1:06 pm ] |
| Post subject: | Re: Robin Ventura |
That is a little surprising. I didnt think he was into it. Good guy. Good for him. |
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| Author: | Brick [ Fri Jan 24, 2014 1:12 pm ] |
| Post subject: | Re: Robin Ventura |
Sorry good dolphin. |
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| Author: | Don Tiny [ Fri Jan 24, 2014 1:38 pm ] |
| Post subject: | Re: Robin Ventura |
I wonder how much more he would've gotten if they'd gone ahead and lost an even hundred ... ... Jesus Christ, Frank, it's a joke so relax ... |
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| Author: | rogers park bryan [ Fri Jan 24, 2014 1:47 pm ] |
| Post subject: | Re: Robin Ventura |
Don Tiny wrote: I wonder how much more he would've gotten if they'd gone ahead and lost an even hundred ... ... Jesus Christ, Frank, it's a joke so relax ... Can you imagine what people would say if a 99 loss manager received an extension and got cheered at a Cubs convenstion days later? |
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| Author: | Hatchetman [ Fri Jan 24, 2014 1:48 pm ] |
| Post subject: | Re: Robin Ventura |
I'm pretty sure if Ryno were in that position, he'd be cheered too. Jim Essian, not so much. |
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| Author: | rogers park bryan [ Fri Jan 24, 2014 1:50 pm ] |
| Post subject: | Re: Robin Ventura |
Hatchetman wrote: I'm pretty sure if Ryno were in that position, he'd be cheered too. Jim Essian, not so much. Yeah, but the reaction of the other side's fan is the key Anyway let's not ruin Robin's thread with this silliness |
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| Author: | Hatchetman [ Fri Jan 24, 2014 1:51 pm ] |
| Post subject: | Re: Robin Ventura |
can we ruin it by talking about how much better a manager Ozzie was? |
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| Author: | rogers park bryan [ Fri Jan 24, 2014 1:53 pm ] |
| Post subject: | Re: Robin Ventura |
Hatchetman wrote: can we ruin it by talking about how much better a manager Ozzie was? What about Manuel v Ventura? |
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| Author: | Brick [ Fri Jan 24, 2014 1:53 pm ] |
| Post subject: | Re: Robin Ventura |
Hatchetman wrote: can we ruin it by talking about how much better a manager Ozzie was? It's too bad Ozzie couldn't keep his mouth shut.
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| Author: | Hatchetman [ Fri Jan 24, 2014 1:56 pm ] |
| Post subject: | Re: Robin Ventura |
rogers park bryan wrote: What about Manuel v Ventura? jeez, there's a toughie. I'd rather look at Ventura's face than Manuel's sour puss. Lamont was better than them. |
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| Author: | Don Tiny [ Fri Jan 24, 2014 2:20 pm ] |
| Post subject: | Re: Robin Ventura |
Hatchetman wrote: rogers park bryan wrote: What about Manuel v Ventura? jeez, there's a toughie. I'd rather look at Ventura's face than Manuel's sour puss. Lamont was better than them.
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| Author: | Zizou [ Fri Jan 24, 2014 2:24 pm ] |
| Post subject: | Re: Robin Ventura |
About as uninspiring as the Mike Thomas contract extension. |
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| Author: | bigfan [ Fri Jan 24, 2014 2:34 pm ] |
| Post subject: | Re: Robin Ventura |
"WE HAVE SOME BREAKING NEWS!" |
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| Author: | Frank Coztansa [ Fri Jan 24, 2014 2:36 pm ] |
| Post subject: | Re: Robin Ventura |
rogers park bryan wrote: Don Tiny wrote: I wonder how much more he would've gotten if they'd gone ahead and lost an even hundred ... ... Jesus Christ, Frank, it's a joke so relax ... Can you imagine what people would say if a 99 loss manager received an extension and got cheered at a Cubs convenstion days later? |
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| Author: | good dolphin [ Fri Jan 24, 2014 2:40 pm ] |
| Post subject: | Re: Robin Ventura |
Boilermaker Rick wrote: Sorry good dolphin. What can I say? It was well earned |
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| Author: | rogers park bryan [ Fri Jan 24, 2014 2:40 pm ] |
| Post subject: | Re: Robin Ventura |
Frank Coztansa wrote: rogers park bryan wrote: Don Tiny wrote: I wonder how much more he would've gotten if they'd gone ahead and lost an even hundred ... ... Jesus Christ, Frank, it's a joke so relax ... Can you imagine what people would say if a 99 loss manager received an extension and got cheered at a Cubs convenstion days later? I imagine it would have been better to pull the trigger on Bevington after 2 instead of 3 |
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| Author: | good dolphin [ Fri Jan 24, 2014 2:41 pm ] |
| Post subject: | Re: Robin Ventura |
Hatchetman wrote: rogers park bryan wrote: What about Manuel v Ventura? jeez, there's a toughie. I'd rather look at Ventura's face than Manuel's sour puss. Lamont was better than them. I believe Manual has had three coaching stints in MLB. I would guess if Robin Ventura would and will not hold another field manager position in his life. |
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| Author: | Brick [ Fri Jan 24, 2014 2:43 pm ] |
| Post subject: | Re: Robin Ventura |
good dolphin wrote: Hatchetman wrote: rogers park bryan wrote: What about Manuel v Ventura? jeez, there's a toughie. I'd rather look at Ventura's face than Manuel's sour puss. Lamont was better than them. I believe Manual has had three coaching stints in MLB. I would guess if Robin Ventura would and will not hold another field manager position in his life. |
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| Author: | good dolphin [ Fri Jan 24, 2014 2:45 pm ] |
| Post subject: | Re: Robin Ventura |
rogers park bryan wrote: Don Tiny wrote: I wonder how much more he would've gotten if they'd gone ahead and lost an even hundred ... ... Jesus Christ, Frank, it's a joke so relax ... Can you imagine what people would say if a 99 loss manager received an extension and got cheered at a Cubs convenstion days later? I've burned out all my Ventura as manager disgust...much like he has burned out relief pitchers arms. What are you going to do when the owner has pretty much given the guy the job for as long as he wants it? When Robin is tired of managing, you can be sure Reinsdorf will "suggest" Konerko to whoever is the GM at the time. |
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| Author: | Hatchetman [ Fri Jan 24, 2014 2:51 pm ] |
| Post subject: | Re: Robin Ventura |
manuel got a short stint with the Mets when Randolph was canned. they played a bit better and he got named full-time manager and got fired two years later. |
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| Author: | Don Tiny [ Fri Jan 24, 2014 2:58 pm ] |
| Post subject: | Re: Robin Ventura |
Frank Coztansa wrote: rogers park bryan wrote: Don Tiny wrote: I wonder how much more he would've gotten if they'd gone ahead and lost an even hundred ... ... Jesus Christ, Frank, it's a joke so relax ... Can you imagine what people would say if a 99 loss manager received an extension and got cheered at a Cubs convenstion days later? Frank's new avatar ..... 
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| Author: | bigfan [ Fri Jan 24, 2014 4:14 pm ] |
| Post subject: | Re: Robin Ventura |
good dolphin wrote: rogers park bryan wrote: Don Tiny wrote: I wonder how much more he would've gotten if they'd gone ahead and lost an even hundred ... ... Jesus Christ, Frank, it's a joke so relax ... Can you imagine what people would say if a 99 loss manager received an extension and got cheered at a Cubs convenstion days later? I've burned out all my Ventura as manager disgust...much like he has burned out relief pitchers arms. What are you going to do when the owner has pretty much given the guy the job for as long as he wants it? When Robin is tired of managing, you can be sure Reinsdorf will "suggest" Konerko to whoever is the GM at the time. You really had Ventura disgust? cant really be disgusted with the guy. He fits right into the Jerry R methodology of not paying guys, looking to find the new guy, etc. Wasnt it last year when they wanted him to sign this extension and he said he had to think about it? |
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| Author: | good dolphin [ Fri Jan 24, 2014 4:52 pm ] |
| Post subject: | Re: Robin Ventura |
I'm not disgusted at Ventura. |
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| Author: | Walt Williams Neck [ Fri Jan 24, 2014 8:05 pm ] |
| Post subject: | Re: Robin Ventura |
What the fuck.....next year is TEN YEARS since the World Series win.Once in the playoffs in 08 and 148-176 record by Nolan Ryan's punching bag......Love the move 
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| Author: | Juiced [ Fri Jan 24, 2014 8:31 pm ] |
| Post subject: | Re: Robin Ventura |
bigfan wrote: good dolphin wrote: rogers park bryan wrote: Don Tiny wrote: I wonder how much more he would've gotten if they'd gone ahead and lost an even hundred ... ... Jesus Christ, Frank, it's a joke so relax ... Can you imagine what people would say if a 99 loss manager received an extension and got cheered at a Cubs convenstion days later? I've burned out all my Ventura as manager disgust...much like he has burned out relief pitchers arms. What are you going to do when the owner has pretty much given the guy the job for as long as he wants it? When Robin is tired of managing, you can be sure Reinsdorf will "suggest" Konerko to whoever is the GM at the time. You really had Ventura disgust? cant really be disgusted with the guy. He fits right into the Jerry R methodology of not paying guys, looking to find the new guy, etc. Wasnt it last year when they wanted him to sign this extension and he said he had to think about it? I love how Reinsdorf hides being cheap, by calling it "loyalty." Ventura doesn't even want to manage. Guess it's hard to pass up uncle Jerry throwing money at you. |
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| Author: | SomeGuy [ Fri Jan 24, 2014 8:45 pm ] |
| Post subject: | Re: Robin Ventura |
Isn't Rick Hahn jewish? If so, this is all part of "THE PLAN." Lose a trillion games for years, "stock up" on minor league players and say you're setting the stage for 8 years from now! |
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| Author: | sinicalypse [ Sat Jan 25, 2014 10:40 am ] |
| Post subject: | Re: Robin Ventura |
where's JORR's thoughts on this? i ask because IIRC JORR was one of the few white sox fans on here to be overtly/overly critical of robin even back to his first season honeymoon when he was a total darling for getting a surprising .500+/late-season-collapse-via-bataan-death-march in a division where everyone and reinsdorf's mom picked le tigre to walk away with the division. IIRC, JORR has had very specific beefs about ventura's in-game strategy (or more appropriately, the lack thereof?) i believe relating to baserunning (or more appropriately, the lack thereof?) and he pretty much came to the conclusion (even if via my own inference) and robin was largely asleep at the wheel managing a club that nobody really has expectations for, so as long as you don't have terry bevington v2.0 shitting the bed and obviously costing you ~10 games from your pythag W/L, meh, who cares because it's not like anyone picks the white sox to do anything anyways, and if they do it'll be because a few of the core guys get hot and have career years alongside some solid pitching and an effective bullpen. so yeah i dont have any strong feelings either way about robin.... i mean he's just kind of there presiding over white sox baseball, and in the end all you can really say about him is that "he sure isn't ozzie guillen", who btw i'd be willing to bet eventually returns home like the prodigal son if/when this team becomes a consistent contender that could use a good manager to push them over the top / through-the-playoffs. until then, here's to hoping that one of these next few years has the big/$$$ bats step up and hit 30HR/100RBI without hitting .198, and then the pitching does a notch or two above expectations with a bullpen that isnt blowing games left and right (like 2011 i wanna say?) and then the perpetually-underwhelming tigers will creep back towards them with ~90-94 wins and the indians will have 80someting wins but remain "scrappy" and "creeping on the come up" and the dumbass royals will continue to rue the day that they dumped off a future cornerstone in wil myers (even if he left after his arb years) for BIG GAME JAMES shields, immediate success notwithstanding good god man that was a boneheaded trade. tampa can't develop position players to save their life (even longoria being the obvious exception) and with their prospect pipeline drying up (when terry boers says its over, its over) they had no chance to get out of their rut unless some dumb desperate team was willing to give up a blue chip stud for one of their pitchers..... but man, why not give wil a year to prove his worth in MLB and then you can trade/sign david price instead of settling for BIG GAME JAMES, who is prone to have another 4.20/1.25 type 13-11 season, of course with 7 CGs so that's gonna be invaluable, eh? dumbass royals. |
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| Author: | badrogue17 [ Sat Jan 25, 2014 10:52 am ] |
| Post subject: | Re: Robin Ventura |
Juiced wrote: bigfan wrote: good dolphin wrote: I've burned out all my Ventura as manager disgust...much like he has burned out relief pitchers arms. What are you going to do when the owner has pretty much given the guy the job for as long as he wants it? When Robin is tired of managing, you can be sure Reinsdorf will "suggest" Konerko to whoever is the GM at the time. You really had Ventura disgust? cant really be disgusted with the guy. He fits right into the Jerry R methodology of not paying guys, looking to find the new guy, etc. Wasnt it last year when they wanted him to sign this extension and he said he had to think about it? I love how Reinsdorf hides being cheap, by calling it "loyalty." Ventura doesn't even want to manage. Guess it's hard to pass up uncle Jerry throwing money at you. Ventura made 67 million plus while playing. You think Uncle Jerry's money is why he's managing? Ill admit I dont know why he is but Id be surprised if its money. |
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| Author: | jimmypasta [ Sun Jan 26, 2014 8:22 am ] |
| Post subject: | Re: Robin Ventura |
This popped up in the Trib. I guess if I was a Sox fan,I might ask this,too. Ventura looks like he needs a nap most of the time: By Colleen Kane Tribune reporter 5:30 p.m. CST, January 25, 2014 The fan with the microphone faced Robin Ventura on stage and admitted aloud that he wondered in 2013 whether the White Sox manager had a pulse. “I do have a pulse, I swear,” Ventura responded to chuckles in the crowded ballroom. Ventura’s laid-back demeanor was one of several topics under fire from a group of fans Saturday during a session with Ventura and general manager Rick Hahn on the second day of SoxFest at the Palmer House Hilton. The fans were livelier than during a similar session Friday night, booing the Sox catching situation and cheering a fan who expressed frustration with Adam Dunn’s hitting. Related Video: Hahn on 'getting message' to Sox fans Paul Konerko relieved to know this is his final White Sox season Video: Adam Eaton on future with Sox Photos: 2014 Sox Fest White Sox sign manager Robin Ventura to multi-year contract extension Jose Abreu traveled a long way to join White Sox Video: Dunn on Sox's logjam at first base Hahn said afterward he enjoyed the chance to communicate his message with passionate fans. “Look, we lost 99 games last year and these people (came) out in the dead of winter to show their support for the team, but have some questions on their mind,” Hahn said. “It’s completely understandable.” After the question about demeanor, Hahn jumped to the defense of Ventura, who agreed to a multi-year contract extension Friday. “You need to understand that outside the organization you only get to see a percentage of what goes on,” Hahn said. “You don’t see what happens on the plane, you don’t see what happens when the clubhouse is closed, you don’t see what happens when he’s in his office 1-on-1 or 2-on-1 with a player. That’s how we prefer it. “Yeah, it’s a little more satisfying when you see a guy who’s seething and you know he’s feeling that anger that you feel, and it helps you vent for a little bit because you know he’s chewing somebody’s rear end out. But just because we don’t air our dirty laundry publicly, just because we don’t throw players under the bus publicly, doesn’t mean that that message isn’t being communicated in a very effective manner behind closed doors.” Ventura has heard the criticism of his managerial personality and said it doesn’t bother him. “It doesn’t mean I don’t care or I’m not mad,” Ventura said. “You realize that you are on TV and it’s stuff you can’t take back. I prefer to do it inside. … Not everybody likes every tactic or every style. Everybody will have an opinion about it.” The Sox situation at catcher was also a popular topic, and the first fan asked why the Sox let A.J. Pierzynski walk before the 2013 season. Hahn preached patience with the reshaping of the Sox roster, noting that the search for the right fit could take time and that the team may have to allow internal candidates like Tyler Flowers, Josh Phegley and Adrian Nieto a chance to improve in the meantime. He alluded to Brian McCann, who signed as a free agent with the Yankees for an $85 million deal, as the only catcher who has made a move this offseason who the Sox thought would fit their long-term goals. “Outside of that, we could have signed some guy on the other side of 30, couple-year contract, spend a few million on it, and I could have sat here right now and been like, ‘Hey it’s different, so it’s going to be better,’” Hahn said. “But it wouldn’t have been consistent with what we’re doing, which is trying to fit for an extended period of time.” Among other notable responses, Hahn said that Erik Johnson and Felipe Paulino are the top two candidates to round out the Sox rotation, though he said others could provide competition. He also said “odds are” the Sox will take a pitcher with the No. 3 pick in this year’s draft, considering four of the top five candidates likely will be pitchers. |
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