well, Hahn would have to get the OK from KW who'd have to get the OK from JR. sooo, not gonna happen.

Too bad the Sox don't have the young bullpen arms like the Cubs.

Toss in wise ass Coop

. Like Caller Les who wanted the Sox to walk Cruz with the bases loaded. Once the AAA pitcher had his 2-0 count on Cruz it was already too late.

They kinda suck. Just not a good team at all.


Managers dont really matter. I think we get worked up when our team is average or below, thinking they could be something better than what they are.

You know I agree with that. Over the season it doesn't matter much at all. No manager ever made a shitty team good.

I just find Ventura's management of his pitchers very odd. And people say, "Oh, Coop handles all that", but I don't think that's right because the differences between what Guillen did and what Ventura does are clear.

Take Downs last night for example. Maybe I'm way off here and he is just such a turd he couldn't throw a strike, but I don't think so. I think he was pitching to Davis the way Ventura and Coop wanted him to.

Of course you'd rather have Arthur Rhodes as your lefty specialist than Scott Downs, but if Downs is your guy, I don't think you can treat him any differently than you would treat Rhodes if you had him. You only have so many guys. You have to be able to use them.

Managers dont really matter. I think we get worked up when our team is average or below, thinking they could be something better than what they are.

Let's see if Rick will start a war on two fronts with a defense of Ventura.

I love Ventura and I hated the decision to hire him since Day 1.

1. Cooper is a miracle worker.
2. Ventura is a terrible manager.
3. OG was a good manager up til the very end there.
4. I'm thinking a manager is worth plus/minus 5 games or so.

There is no defense of Ventura.

He hasn't gotten even the slightest bit better from day one.

If he hasn't gotten better since day one and he isn't good now then he wasn't good on day one, which means it wasn't a good hire. dolphin wins!

Were there any Sox fans that thought Ventura was a good hire? Can't imagine there were many.

Too dumb to manage.

...but you said the manager didnt really matter?

This move by the Sox shows a level of aloofness throughout the organization, that whatever they do is right and they don't intend to correct it, no matter what it is.

And at this point, my guy Hahn takes just as much blame as Kenny on this one, as even though kenny and jerry wanted him resigned, they still allowed Hahn to give final approval on this one.