So, anyone else want to argue that Rizzo isn't more likely to regress than Abreu?

What?

If anything this article suggests Abreu is more likely to regress

The answer seems to be YES!

We were talking about next year and plenty of people got offended when I said that Rizzo is more likely to regress.

I had to watch that about 5 times before I noticed a mistake was made.

I dont know what you're saying.

This article indicates pitchers are getting a book on Abreu and that's part of why he's regressing. That will still be true next year. This article hurts your argument or at best doesnt help it


I cant imagine what your thought process here is.

Your article is about how he is playing more games than he ever has before and he is struggling to adjust to it. There are a minor few mentions of how pitchers may attack him slightly differently but they don't even claim anything has been figured out.

What from the article tells you or makes you believe Abreu wont regress?

He has had a lot to overcome this year and next year will be much more normal and easier for him to deal with. However, here you go:
1) He'll have the experience of a full season, and experience with the very busy every day schedule.
2) His family situation is getting better.
3) His batting average has gotten much better.
4) He is learning how to handle the flight demands which seem to have caused him a lot of stress.
5) He is learning more about the video and scouting reports which he didn't have any experience with.

So, there are 5 things which will be better or fixed for next season.

So next year Abreu will be a fat slow Juan Pierre singles hitter?

Is that what you are predicting?

It's impossible to discuss baseball with you now.

That is exactly my point. You nailed it!

A writer writes an article about a player regressing and hitting a rookie wall and you take it as validation that your earlier prediction that the player would NOT regress the next year is correct.

If Abreu was killing it and the headline was "No rookie Wall for Abreu" you would be using that to say your prediction was correct.

Abroo could hit 31 HRs and have 101 RBI next year and (likely*) would technically have regressed from this year.




*I am assuming his hits 3 more HRs and gets ~12-15 more RBI before this season is over.

I would not deem him or Rizzo as likely to regress.

Virtually everything in the article describes temporary issues caused by his rookie year and his adjustment to it. There was one small blurb that pitchers are trying to limit his home runs(which also would show why his other numbers have gone way up).

No. The point I was making from the beginning is that in terms of what he has to overcome his rookie year will be much harder than his second or third year. Pretty much the whole article is giving reasons why his rookie year has been tough.

You then create multiple posts where you clearly ignore what my whole point actually was.

It is statements like this which make me believe you don't even want to try and understand my statement and instead you simply want to jump to the defense of Rizzo no matter how small the "slight" against him is.

Except the FIRST thing listed as reason for his struggles is pitching adjustments. I guess being mentioned first means a small blurb to you

1)As he continues assimilating into his new country during a spectacularly successful rookie season, Jose Abreu is starting to get familiarized with a term used in American sports parlance – hitting the wall.

The Chicago White Sox first baseman, so used to hitting balls over walls, seems to be running smack into a figurative one.

Abreu entered the weekend tied for the major league lead in home runs (31) and RBI (86), but he hasn't homered since July 29, has driven in just three runs in August and acknowledged the wear of the major league season has taken a toll.

2)Abreu was used to playing 90-game seasons in Cuba, from where he defected last August. This year he has played in 106 of the White Sox's 121 games – he had a 15-day stint on the disabled list May 18-June 1 – in addition to 17 in spring training, and a quarter of the season still lies ahead.


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"We play so many games, you get to a point you want (the season) to end,'' Abreu told USA TODAY Sports in Spanish. "It's too much, but that's what you have to deal with and you've got to be strong. I've been counting down since the 58th game and we still have (41) left. Wow. 3)It's not so much that you get tired, but you spend so much time away from your family, and I'm a family guy. I want to be with them.''

Abreu will get his wish during the White Sox's six-game homestand that begins Friday. 4)His parents were due to join him in Chicago from Miami the day before, and, 5)along with his fiancée, will accompany Abreu to New York next weekend when the White Sox visit the Yankees.

Jose Oriol Abreu and his wife, Daysi Correa, made it stateside in May and first saw their son play in the majors at the All-Star Game. White Sox catcher Adrian Nieto, a fellow Cuban native who spends time with Abreu off the field, 6)said their arrival calmed him down.


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7)"It's been a big relief for him,'' Nieto said. "He's really close to his family, especially his mother. He's more relaxed.''

Not that Abreu struggled in their absence. He earned AL Player of the Month and Rookie of the Month honors in April, then repeated the feat in July, when he batted .374 with six homers and 19 RBI, becoming the first rookie ever to score that double achievement.

His batting average steadily climbed from the .260 range in early June to over .300 in late July, as Abreu put together hitting streaks of 18 and 21 games. He had a 31-gamer as a rookie in Cuba.

"He's glorified for the amount of home runs he's hitting, but people need to start looking at him as a really solid hitter,'' hitting coach Todd Steverson said. "He uses the whole field; he's not just a pull guy. He has a good idea of what he wants to do. He makes adjustments in games, which is one of the bigger things to do as a hitter in general.''

August has proven challenging, though, as Abreu is batting .262 with one extra-base hit and a .666 on-base plus slugging percentage this month, compared to his season marks of .300 and .959.