KDdidit wrote:
They didn't hire Rick Hahn to sign Joe Maddon. They hired him to re-sign Robin Ventura
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| Author: | Kirkwood [ Fri Oct 24, 2014 5:32 pm ] |
| Post subject: | Why Isn't Maddon A Candidate |
A fan base that demands contention for their attention span. A core of Abreu, Sale, Quintana, Rodon Gillaspie, Eaton and the Adulterer. The Tigers are aging, Indians cheap, Royals will lose Shields, and Twins 3 years away. Time is ripe but Ventura is the answer?!? Talk about blatantly telling your customers fuck you. |
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| Author: | Kirkwood [ Fri Oct 24, 2014 5:40 pm ] |
| Post subject: | Re: Why Isn't Maddon A Candidate |
He'd honestly be a perfect candidate. Sox weakness was bullpen management. Maddon regularly managed the Rays bullpen with a rotating cast. Openness towards defensive positioning could maximize the effectiveness of their horrible defenders. Of course he's familir with the AL in the past 10 years. Too perfect. |
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| Author: | KDdidit [ Fri Oct 24, 2014 5:42 pm ] |
| Post subject: | Re: Why Isn't Maddon A Candidate |
They didn't hire Rick Hahn to sign Joe Maddon. They hired him to re-sign Robin Ventura |
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| Author: | Chris_in_joliet [ Fri Oct 24, 2014 5:45 pm ] |
| Post subject: | Re: Why Isn't Maddon A Candidate |
KDdidit wrote: They didn't hire Rick Hahn to sign Joe Maddon. They hired him to re-sign Robin Ventura
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| Author: | Brick [ Fri Oct 24, 2014 5:57 pm ] |
| Post subject: | Re: Why Isn't Maddon A Candidate |
He probably is. Sox fans are just waiting until we actually fire our bad manager before we speculate on who the next guy will be. |
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| Author: | FavreFan [ Fri Oct 24, 2014 5:59 pm ] |
| Post subject: | Re: Why Isn't Maddon A Candidate |
Boilermaker Rick wrote: He probably is. Sox fans are just waiting until we actually fire our bad manager before we speculate on who the next guy will be. He probably isn't. That would indicate a degree of competence. |
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| Author: | Brick [ Fri Oct 24, 2014 6:04 pm ] |
| Post subject: | Re: Why Isn't Maddon A Candidate |
FavreFan wrote: Boilermaker Rick wrote: He probably is. Sox fans are just waiting until we actually fire our bad manager before we speculate on who the next guy will be. He probably isn't. That would indicate a degree of competence. |
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| Author: | FavreFan [ Fri Oct 24, 2014 6:10 pm ] |
| Post subject: | Re: Why Isn't Maddon A Candidate |
Boilermaker Rick wrote: FavreFan wrote: Boilermaker Rick wrote: He probably is. Sox fans are just waiting until we actually fire our bad manager before we speculate on who the next guy will be. He probably isn't. That would indicate a degree of competence. Every day Ventura is employed I have less confidence Hahn has any clue what he is doing. |
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| Author: | Brick [ Fri Oct 24, 2014 6:11 pm ] |
| Post subject: | Re: Why Isn't Maddon A Candidate |
FavreFan wrote: Every day Ventura is employed I have less confidence Hahn has any clue what he is doing. He has to be "promoted" this offseason or the Sox aren't interested in competing.
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| Author: | Kirkwood [ Fri Oct 24, 2014 6:30 pm ] |
| Post subject: | Re: Why Isn't Maddon A Candidate |
Perfect opportunity to steal the headlines in Chicago. Total snake in the grass move. I can't think of a better way to improve the team while giving a middle finger to Tommy Dickhead. |
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| Author: | FavreFan [ Fri Oct 24, 2014 6:33 pm ] |
| Post subject: | Re: Why Isn't Maddon A Candidate |
Kirkwood wrote: Perfect opportunity to steal the headlines in Chicago. Total snake in the grass move. I can't think of a better way to improve the team while giving a middle finger to Tommy Dickhead. Who cares? A Cub fan would bring something stupid like that up. I just want them to get a manager who has an IQ higher than a roast beef sandwich. You guys can keep the headline and attendance championships. It's worked well for you guys the past 6 years. |
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| Author: | Brick [ Fri Oct 24, 2014 6:36 pm ] |
| Post subject: | Re: Why Isn't Maddon A Candidate |
FavreFan wrote: Kirkwood wrote: Perfect opportunity to steal the headlines in Chicago. Total snake in the grass move. I can't think of a better way to improve the team while giving a middle finger to Tommy Dickhead. Who cares? A Cub fan would bring something stupid like that up. I just want them to get a manager who has an IQ higher than a roast beef sandwich. You guys can keep the headline and attendance championships. It's worked well for you guys the past 6 years. Anyways, we don't need Maddon, we have a guy with a ring on speed dial. |
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| Author: | Kirkwood [ Fri Oct 24, 2014 6:41 pm ] |
| Post subject: | Re: Why Isn't Maddon A Candidate |
Of course, you need publicity and buzz when you average 15K spins at the gate. Shows the fan base you care about competing and gets the band wagoners like Scorehead who haven't paid attention in 10 years to take notice. |
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| Author: | Brick [ Fri Oct 24, 2014 6:42 pm ] |
| Post subject: | Re: Why Isn't Maddon A Candidate |
Kirkwood wrote: Of course, you need publicity and buzz when you average 15K spins at the gate. Shows the fan base you care about competing and gets the band wagoners like Scorehead who haven't paid attention in 10 years to take notice. We're running a championship organization, not a PR machine.
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| Author: | FavreFan [ Fri Oct 24, 2014 6:45 pm ] |
| Post subject: | Re: Why Isn't Maddon A Candidate |
Kirkwood wrote: Of course, you need publicity and buzz when you average 15K spins at the gate. Shows the fan base you care about competing and gets the band wagoners like Scorehead who haven't paid attention in 10 years to take notice. It's fine if you prefer style over substance. Some of us don't. |
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| Author: | Kirkwood [ Fri Oct 24, 2014 6:47 pm ] |
| Post subject: | Re: Why Isn't Maddon A Candidate |
FavreFan wrote: Kirkwood wrote: Of course, you need publicity and buzz when you average 15K spins at the gate. Shows the fan base you care about competing and gets the band wagoners like Scorehead who haven't paid attention in 10 years to take notice. It's fine if you prefer style over substance. Some of us don't. Don't bitch the GM out then for payroll. |
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| Author: | FavreFan [ Fri Oct 24, 2014 6:51 pm ] |
| Post subject: | Re: Why Isn't Maddon A Candidate |
Kirkwood wrote: FavreFan wrote: Kirkwood wrote: Of course, you need publicity and buzz when you average 15K spins at the gate. Shows the fan base you care about competing and gets the band wagoners like Scorehead who haven't paid attention in 10 years to take notice. It's fine if you prefer style over substance. Some of us don't. Don't bitch the GM out then for payroll. I don't. They have enough money to win, especially going into this offseason. Hahn needs to put a winner on the field or get the fuck out of town after next season. |
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| Author: | Chus [ Fri Oct 24, 2014 8:51 pm ] |
| Post subject: | Re: Why Isn't Maddon A Candidate |
FavreFan wrote: Boilermaker Rick wrote: FavreFan wrote: Boilermaker Rick wrote: He probably is. Sox fans are just waiting until we actually fire our bad manager before we speculate on who the next guy will be. He probably isn't. That would indicate a degree of competence. Every day Ventura is employed I have less confidence Hahn has any clue what he is doing. Reinsdorf has final say. |
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| Author: | Don Tiny [ Fri Oct 24, 2014 9:04 pm ] |
| Post subject: | Re: Why Isn't Maddon A Candidate |
Kirkwood wrote: Perfect opportunity to steal the headlines in Chicago. Total snake in the grass move. I can't think of a better way to improve the team while giving a middle finger to Tommy Dickhead. Is that a Jenny cover band? |
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| Author: | FavreFan [ Fri Oct 24, 2014 9:11 pm ] |
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Chus wrote: FavreFan wrote: Every day Ventura is employed I have less confidence Hahn has any clue what he is doing. Reinsdorf has final say. I believe you're right, but I don't think that changes my feelings. Every day Hahn can't convince JR that Ventura needs to be fired I have less confidence he has any clue what he is doing. |
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| Author: | Dr. Kenneth Noisewater [ Fri Oct 24, 2014 9:23 pm ] |
| Post subject: | Re: Why Isn't Maddon A Candidate |
Seven years from now, the Sox would regret having incredible success with Maddon. |
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| Author: | billypootons [ Fri Oct 24, 2014 11:39 pm ] |
| Post subject: | Re: Why Isn't Maddon A Candidate |
screw him and his dumb looking glasses.... would be nice to see him go to a major market with endless cash and fail |
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| Author: | cpguy [ Sat Oct 25, 2014 10:27 am ] |
| Post subject: | Re: Why Isn't Maddon A Candidate |
Nick Cafardo retweeted Matt Pepin @mattpep15 3h3 hours ago Where will ex-Rays manager Joe Maddon land? @nickcafardo runs down the scenarios: http://bitly.com/1zrJZXM About the White Sox: "The White Sox have Robin Ventura, but again, do you see Jerry Reinsdorf dishing out that type of money for Maddon?"
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| Author: | Curious Hair [ Sat Oct 25, 2014 11:47 am ] |
| Post subject: | Re: Why Isn't Maddon A Candidate |
He's spreading pernicious myths! |
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| Author: | America [ Sat Oct 25, 2014 7:28 pm ] |
| Post subject: | Re: Why Isn't Maddon A Candidate |
I need to be reminded what's so bad about Robin Ventura. |
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| Author: | rogers park bryan [ Sat Oct 25, 2014 10:10 pm ] |
| Post subject: | Re: Why Isn't Maddon A Candidate |
FavreFan wrote: Kirkwood wrote: FavreFan wrote: Kirkwood wrote: Of course, you need publicity and buzz when you average 15K spins at the gate. Shows the fan base you care about competing and gets the band wagoners like Scorehead who haven't paid attention in 10 years to take notice. It's fine if you prefer style over substance. Some of us don't. Don't bitch the GM out then for payroll. I don't. They have enough money to win, especially going into this offseason. Hahn needs to put a winner on the field or get the fuck out of town after next season. That's a little rash. A GM needs 5 years IMO. Its kind of like a college football coach. Needs to clean out and its not totally his team til year 2 or 3 |
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| Author: | Brick [ Sun Oct 26, 2014 6:26 am ] |
| Post subject: | Re: Why Isn't Maddon A Candidate |
America wrote: I need to be reminded what's so bad about Robin Ventura. There is nothing good about him. I can't see one positive impact he has on the team. He still makes dumb in game decisions. He just isn't a big league manager and doesn't seem to be doing anything to try and learn on the job like you would want.However, to give a final answer to this question, Maddon isn't a candidate because Ozzie is a better choice for the White Sox anyways. |
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| Author: | America [ Sun Oct 26, 2014 7:07 am ] |
| Post subject: | Re: Why Isn't Maddon A Candidate |
It's impossible to manage a bullpen full of scrubs who can't throw strikes. He tried about every way to get those guys to succeed and none of it worked. My big complaint about him was how players convinced Robin to put them in the lineup even when they were hobbled, but he got over that after the Abreu injury. I'd like to see him manage a team that has a bit more going for it on the roster. |
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| Author: | Brick [ Sun Oct 26, 2014 7:17 am ] |
| Post subject: | Re: Why Isn't Maddon A Candidate |
He had plenty of time to prove himself. The undeniable fact is that he isn't any better than he was on day one, and when you have no managerial experience prior to that it is a problem. "Promoting" Robin and hiring Ozzie seems like the biggest no brainer in the history of Earth. Otherwise, no reason to even watch the White Sox next year. |
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| Author: | America [ Sun Oct 26, 2014 7:31 am ] |
| Post subject: | Re: Why Isn't Maddon A Candidate |
Of course Ozzie is better than Robin, Ozzie is a fucking genius. He's a top 5 manager in the game who got caught up in politics at his first job then went to baseball hell for his second. I would take him over Robin in an instant. But I don't see that happening right now, so in the meantime I'd like to see what Robin's got with a better roster. That 2012 team was pretty bad and they were *this* close at the end. Even this year's team stuck around for a while. Give the guy a chance with a team that has some actual talent (which the Sox will have next year). |
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