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Author:  IMU [ Sat Dec 06, 2014 6:56 pm ]
Post subject:  Chicago White Sox Rebuilding Mode - 5 Year Plan

http://m.whitesox.mlb.com/news/article/ ... r-meetings

"Primarily, we are addressing things for the long term," Hahn said. "We are acquiring players we can add to this young core we have been able to assemble over the last year-plus and have control of for the next extended period of time. If the right situation arises on a short-term basis, whether it's someone like LaRoche or somebody who addresses another need on a shorter time horizon than our focus has been, we would make that move."

Sounds very similar to what some other front office guys have said in this city. Interesting.

Purposely lose to win.

Author:  SomeGuy [ Sat Dec 06, 2014 6:59 pm ]
Post subject:  Re: Chicago White Sox Rebuilding Mode - 5 Year Plan

immessedup17 wrote:
http://m.whitesox.mlb.com/news/article/103293468/white-sox-wont-force-moves-at-winter-meetings

"Primarily, we are addressing things for the long term," Hahn said. "We are acquiring players we can add to this young core we have been able to assemble over the last year-plus and have control of for the next extended period of time. If the right situation arises on a short-term basis, whether it's someone like LaRoche or somebody who addresses another need on a shorter time horizon than our focus has been, we would make that move."

Sounds very similar to what some other front office guys have said in this city. Interesting.

Purposely lose to win.


I'm not seeing anything in that passage about Rick Hahn saying the White Sox are going to "purposely lose to win."

Author:  FavreFan [ Sat Dec 06, 2014 6:59 pm ]
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immessedup17 wrote:
http://m.whitesox.mlb.com/news/article/103293468/white-sox-wont-force-moves-at-winter-meetings

"Primarily, we are addressing things for the long term," Hahn said. "We are acquiring players we can add to this young core we have been able to assemble over the last year-plus and have control of for the next extended period of time. If the right situation arises on a short-term basis, whether it's someone like LaRoche or somebody who addresses another need on a shorter time horizon than our focus has been, we would make that move."

Sounds very similar to what some other front office guys have said in this city. Interesting.

Purposely lose to win.

I don't care enough to click on that link but nothing in the part you quoted implied purposely losing. I actually don't even know how you surmised that. Maybe you quoted the wrong part?

Author:  newper [ Sat Dec 06, 2014 9:25 pm ]
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immessedup17 wrote:
Purposely lose to win.

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Author:  Brick [ Mon Dec 08, 2014 7:50 am ]
Post subject:  Re: Chicago White Sox Rebuilding Mode - 5 Year Plan

immessedup17 wrote:
http://m.whitesox.mlb.com/news/article/103293468/white-sox-wont-force-moves-at-winter-meetings

"Primarily, we are addressing things for the long term," Hahn said. "We are acquiring players we can add to this young core we have been able to assemble over the last year-plus and have control of for the next extended period of time. If the right situation arises on a short-term basis, whether it's someone like LaRoche or somebody who addresses another need on a shorter time horizon than our focus has been, we would make that move."

Sounds very similar to what some other front office guys have said in this city. Interesting.

Purposely lose to win.
No.

Like, not even close.

Author:  IMU [ Mon Dec 08, 2014 8:21 am ]
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Even Kenny didn't want to go through with this house cleaning. Lots of turmoil on the South Side.

Author:  Kirkwood [ Mon Dec 08, 2014 8:22 am ]
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immessedup17 wrote:
http://m.whitesox.mlb.com/news/article/103293468/white-sox-wont-force-moves-at-winter-meetings

"Primarily, we are addressing things for the long term," Hahn said. "We are acquiring players we can add to this young core we have been able to assemble over the last year-plus and have control of for the next extended period of time. If the right situation arises on a short-term basis, whether it's someone like LaRoche or somebody who addresses another need on a shorter time horizon than our focus has been, we would make that move."

Sounds very similar to what some other front office guys have said in this city. Interesting.

Purposely lose to win.

I don't think Hahn is purposely losing to win. He's just bad and his moves have been bad.

Author:  IMU [ Wed May 13, 2015 9:49 am ]
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IMU wrote:
http://m.whitesox.mlb.com/news/article/103293468/white-sox-wont-force-moves-at-winter-meetings

"Primarily, we are addressing things for the long term," Hahn said. "We are acquiring players we can add to this young core we have been able to assemble over the last year-plus and have control of for the next extended period of time. If the right situation arises on a short-term basis, whether it's someone like LaRoche or somebody who addresses another need on a shorter time horizon than our focus has been, we would make that move."

Sounds very similar to what some other front office guys have said in this city. Interesting.

Purposely lose to win.

At least Hahn is sticking to his guns. He knows Theo and Hoyer went about this the proper way. At least Sox fans can look north and know there will be a light at the end of the tunnel.

Godspeed.

Author:  312player [ Wed May 13, 2015 11:05 am ]
Post subject:  Re: Chicago White Sox Rebuilding Mode - 5 Year Plan

I don't think the Sox are in that bad of shape, ya got sale and quintana. I'm going to assume rodon is going to be better than quintana...that's 3\5 of your rotation.

You turn gillaspie into a utility man and spend $ on surrounding abreu with 2 legit bats ..this can all be done in an off season.

Author:  IMU [ Wed May 13, 2015 11:19 am ]
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312player wrote:
I don't think the Sox are in that bad of shape, ya got sale and quintana. I'm going to assume rodon is going to be better than quintana...that's 3\5 of your rotation.

You turn gillaspie into a utility man and spend $ on surrounding abreu with 2 legit bats ..this can all be done in an off season.

Wasn't Samardzija supposed to improve the staff and LaRoche and Melky weren't two legit bats?

Author:  312player [ Wed May 13, 2015 11:25 am ]
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I think most people knew the shark sucks n laroche is garbage...the melkman ain't shit without his juice...rick Hahn is a fool .

Author:  bigfan [ Wed May 13, 2015 11:42 am ]
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Its called Reloading.

Author:  Elmhurst Steve [ Fri May 15, 2015 7:05 am ]
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IMU wrote:
http://m.whitesox.mlb.com/news/article/103293468/white-sox-wont-force-moves-at-winter-meetings

"Primarily, we are addressing things for the long term," Hahn said. "We are acquiring players we can add to this young core we have been able to assemble over the last year-plus and have control of for the next extended period of time. If the right situation arises on a short-term basis, whether it's someone like LaRoche or somebody who addresses another need on a shorter time horizon than our focus has been, we would make that move."

Sounds very similar to what some other front office guys have said in this city. Interesting.

Purposely lose to win.


Actually, Hahn is going about this all wrong. he has acquired guys that help make the team at least mediocre or average. You do not get guys like Bryant in the draft with middle of the pack draft picks. but I understand why he has to go about things as he has. the fan base on the South side doesn't really support the team well for a .500 team. With a last place team, attendance might well be below a million for the season. That's not necessarily a knock on their fandom (some might call that good judgment) as much as an accurate assessment. But acquiring guys like Abreau, Garcia, Rondon and Eaton is a pretty good start on building a nucleus. Samardzija was a mistake though. not always going to get em right.

Author:  Jaw Breaker [ Fri May 15, 2015 10:02 am ]
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Elmhurst Steve wrote:
You do not get guys like Bryant in the draft with middle of the pack draft picks.


Yes, but some of us simply disagree with intentional tanking. Purposefully sucking royally for years to stockpile high draft picks is an unsavory practice for teams to employ. The Cubs seem to have been given a pass due to the fanbase built up over the years and their unique situation of having a 107-year drought.

Author:  Rod [ Fri May 15, 2015 10:05 am ]
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Jaw Breaker wrote:
Elmhurst Steve wrote:
You do not get guys like Bryant in the draft with middle of the pack draft picks.


Yes, but some of us simply disagree with intentional tanking. Purposefully sucking royally for years to stockpile high draft picks is an unsavory practice for teams to employ. The Cubs seem to have been given a pass due to the fanbase built up over the years and their unique situation of having a 107-year drought.


It's not true anyway. Mike Trout was the 25th pick. But maybe Steve thinks Bryant is better than Trout.

Author:  pittmike [ Fri May 15, 2015 10:11 am ]
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I'll give the Cubs the giddiness on the board the last few days. It is understandable. If you took a snapshot of this week's posts though and read them independently you would think they not only had Bryant but also Super Rizzo as better than Trout. :lol:

Author:  Ed_from_Lisle [ Fri May 15, 2015 10:15 am ]
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pittmike wrote:
I'll give the Cubs the giddiness on the board the last few days. It is understandable. If you took a snapshot of this week's posts though and read them independently you would think they not only had Bryant but also Super Rizzo as better than Trout. :lol:


Don't forget Soler and Russell. They are too...

:wink:

Author:  IMU [ Fri May 15, 2015 10:21 am ]
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pittmike wrote:
I'll give the Cubs the giddiness on the board the last few days. It is understandable. If you took a snapshot of this week's posts though and read them independently you would think they not only had Bryant but also Super Rizzo as better than Trout. :lol:

Rizzo has been better than Trout this season.

Author:  bigfan [ Fri May 15, 2015 10:45 am ]
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This alone is a correct statement.

HOWEVER,

Even last year, as I saw Rizzo progress, I would still not trade Rizzo for Trout, for this team.

Trout might end up with better numbers and based on the age he was great at, the guy has potential to put up all time great numbers. Still not trading Rizzo now.

Chemistry matters....even if STATS doesnt measure it

Author:  IMU [ Fri May 15, 2015 10:48 am ]
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I'd like Trout on my team. I have no idea who will have the better career; I'm still surprised Mike Trout is able to put up Mike Trout numbers each season.

Author:  Rod [ Fri May 15, 2015 10:50 am ]
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Rizzo was a sixth round pick.

Author:  Ed_from_Lisle [ Fri May 15, 2015 10:58 am ]
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bigfan wrote:
Even last year, as I saw Rizzo progress, I would still not trade Rizzo for Trout, for this team.


:shock:

Trout has 1 MVP and could've had another if he had played the entire season his rookie year. Even so, he won ROY and finished 2nd to Cabrera for MVP.

Also, Trout has a good reputation so I don't get your chemistry angle.

Trout over Rizzo all day, every day, and twice on Sundays.

Author:  walkrman5 [ Fri May 15, 2015 11:11 am ]
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I'd rather pick 2nd than 28th. Including picking earlier in round 2, 3, 4, etc...

Now back on topic....Sox are rebuilding or reloading? I'm confused.

Author:  Juiced [ Fri May 15, 2015 11:21 am ]
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walkrman5 wrote:
I'd rather pick 2nd than 28th. Including picking earlier in round 2, 3, 4, etc...

Now back on topic....Sox are rebuilding or reloading? I'm confused.


They are losing.

If they are rebuilding, then they are no better then the Cubs you hate and if they are reloading, then your GM sucks.

and don't tell me it doesn't matter where you draft. Your odds of finding a superstar are greater the higher you pick. If you take a hitter, your odds are even higher that he will succeed.

Author:  Rod [ Fri May 15, 2015 11:25 am ]
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walkrman5 wrote:
I'd rather pick 2nd than 28th. Including picking earlier in round 2, 3, 4, etc..


That's no help when you take Dunston over Gooden or Mitchell over Trout.

Author:  Seacrest [ Fri May 15, 2015 12:30 pm ]
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bigfan wrote:
Even last year, as I saw Rizzo progress, I would still not trade Rizzo for Trout, for this team.


This is why rational people question the sanity of Cubs fans.

Author:  IMU [ Fri May 15, 2015 12:44 pm ]
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Rizzo has a higher OPS (by over .100) and a higher WAR. Pretty much higher everything. He also bats lefty, which adds important balance to a lineup.

And Mike Trout will be pinched for PEDs.

Author:  Ed_from_Lisle [ Fri May 15, 2015 1:02 pm ]
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IMU wrote:
Rizzo has a higher OPS (by over .100) and a higher WAR. Pretty much higher everything. He also bats lefty, which adds important balance to a lineup.

And Mike Trout will be pinched for PEDs.


So will Soler.

I have a soft spot for Trout as I've had him on my fantasy team every year except this year.

Author:  walkrman5 [ Fri May 15, 2015 1:18 pm ]
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Joe Orr Road Rod wrote:
walkrman5 wrote:
I'd rather pick 2nd than 28th. Including picking earlier in round 2, 3, 4, etc..


That's no help when you take Dunston over Gooden or Mitchell over Trout.


True...but I'd rather have the choice from more than from less.

Author:  312player [ Fri May 15, 2015 2:11 pm ]
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I'd take trout over rizzo, move Bryant to first , Castro to 3rd and Russell to short. Trout does look juiced, but you can say that about most stars.

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