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| Author: | good dolphin [ Tue Dec 09, 2014 4:26 pm ] |
| Post subject: | Why Did The Yankees Let Robertson Walk |
that doesn't seem to be their style. |
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| Author: | Keyser Soze [ Tue Dec 09, 2014 4:31 pm ] |
| Post subject: | Re: Why Did The Yankees Let Robertson Walk |
They're saving their pennies for a late run at Jon Lester. |
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| Author: | good dolphin [ Tue Dec 09, 2014 4:32 pm ] |
| Post subject: | Re: Why Did The Yankees Let Robertson Walk |
GLORIOUS |
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| Author: | bigfan [ Tue Dec 09, 2014 4:34 pm ] |
| Post subject: | Re: Why Did The Yankees Let Robertson Walk |
good dolphin wrote: that doesn't seem to be their style. Stop trying to ruin my Sox buzz! (Even though you do need to ask why the Yankees didnt offer anything?) |
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| Author: | good dolphin [ Tue Dec 09, 2014 4:38 pm ] |
| Post subject: | Re: Why Did The Yankees Let Robertson Walk |
bigfan wrote: good dolphin wrote: that doesn't seem to be their style. Stop trying to ruin my Sox buzz! (Even though you do need to ask why the Yankees didnt offer anything?) They did make the qualifying offer but a 30 year old wasn't going to take a 1 year deal when it was his time to break the bank |
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| Author: | Hatchetman [ Tue Dec 09, 2014 4:43 pm ] |
| Post subject: | Re: Why Did The Yankees Let Robertson Walk |
what's the payroll tax they'd have to pay on that? |
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| Author: | billypootons [ Tue Dec 09, 2014 4:48 pm ] |
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because 12M per over 4 years is crazy even to the yankees |
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| Author: | Dr. Kenneth Noisewater [ Tue Dec 09, 2014 4:51 pm ] |
| Post subject: | Re: Why Did The Yankees Let Robertson Walk |
Might be because he sucks and they knew it. |
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| Author: | America [ Tue Dec 09, 2014 4:53 pm ] |
| Post subject: | Re: Why Did The Yankees Let Robertson Walk |
They had their hearts set on Andrew Miller. Plus they have Betances already. |
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| Author: | Nas [ Tue Dec 09, 2014 5:08 pm ] |
| Post subject: | Re: Why Did The Yankees Let Robertson Walk |
good dolphin wrote: bigfan wrote: good dolphin wrote: that doesn't seem to be their style. Stop trying to ruin my Sox buzz! (Even though you do need to ask why the Yankees didnt offer anything?) They did make the qualifying offer but a 30 year old wasn't going to take a 1 year deal when it was his time to break the bank I heard they wouldn't give him the 4th year and the Sox did. |
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| Author: | good dolphin [ Wed Dec 10, 2014 10:53 am ] |
| Post subject: | Re: Why Did The Yankees Let Robertson Walk |
Dr. Kenneth Noisewater wrote: Might be because he sucks and they knew it. In reviewing Yankee boards, they consider it poor management to have signed Miller rather than Robertson to essentially the same contract. Yankee fans wanted him back |
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| Author: | Rod [ Wed Dec 10, 2014 10:57 am ] |
| Post subject: | Re: Why Did The Yankees Let Robertson Walk |
good dolphin wrote: Dr. Kenneth Noisewater wrote: Might be because he sucks and they knew it. In reviewing Yankee boards, they consider it poor management to have signed Miller rather than Robertson to essentially the same contract. Yankee fans wanted him back But what are they saying on the racquetball boards? |
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| Author: | Bagels [ Wed Dec 10, 2014 10:58 am ] |
| Post subject: | Re: Why Did The Yankees Let Robertson Walk |
Joe Orr Road Rod wrote: good dolphin wrote: Dr. Kenneth Noisewater wrote: Might be because he sucks and they knew it. In reviewing Yankee boards, they consider it poor management to have signed Miller rather than Robertson to essentially the same contract. Yankee fans wanted him back But what are they saying on the racquetball boards? 
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| Author: | Hatchetman [ Wed Dec 10, 2014 11:04 am ] |
| Post subject: | Re: Why Did The Yankees Let Robertson Walk |
I like this Robertson guy. Not really a power pitcher. the loss of a couple MPH shouldn't kill him. light workload throughout major/minor career. Never had a bad year ever in minors or majors. Only risk is really injury of course. |
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| Author: | Nas [ Wed Dec 10, 2014 11:10 am ] |
| Post subject: | Re: Why Did The Yankees Let Robertson Walk |
Less pressure on the southside than he had in New York. |
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| Author: | sinicalypse [ Wed Dec 10, 2014 11:30 am ] |
| Post subject: | Re: Why Did The Yankees Let Robertson Walk |
Dellin Betances :: 2014 Stats :: NYY GP: 70 HR: 4 R: 15 H: 46 BB: 24 SO: 135 IP: 90.0 W: 5 L: 0 SV: 1 ERA: 1.40 WHIP: 0.78 BB: 24 SO: 135 H: 46 HR: 4 HLD: 22 BLSV: 4 R: 15 CG: 0 SHO: 0 WAR: 3.7 now to give you a comparison... David Robertson :: 2014 Stats :: NYY GP: 63 HR: 7 R: 23 H: 45 BB: 23 SO: 96 IP: 64.1 W: 4 L: 5 SV: 39 ERA: 3.08 WHIP: 1.06 BB: 23 SO: 96 H: 45 HR: 7 HLD: 0 BLSV: 5 R: 23 CG: 0 SHO: 0 WAR: 1.2 so if you're a SABR disciple like beerstain you can simply say LOOK AT THE WAR. BETANCES HAS 3.7 AND ROBERTSON HAS 1.2 SO WITHOUT A DOUBT BETANCES IS THE BETTER PITCHER! i'd say that 1.40/0.78 with 135K in 90IP > 3.08/1.06 with 96K in 64.1IP. there's also the part where they basically gave up the same # of hits and walks in roughly the same # of IP, although betances is slightly better on all fronts as is evidenced by that 0.76 WHIP for dellin to david's 1.06. robertson was 1.08/1.13 as the #1 setup man in 2011 and i reckon as long as he kept it up he was going to be the closer-in-waiting for the yankees, so after acing his surprise audition in 2012 and joining the rest of the world in waiting for the neverending mariano rivera goodbye tour to end (cuz man he didnt even play for all these other teams and they're showering him with gifts like robin yount just retired and milwaukee is having robin yount day) not to mention the yankees were paying mariano 10-15mil/yr since 03, and it was 9.5mil the 2 years before that.... so now that they've seen that they're able to bring up/along young bullpen arms from their system that can flat out dominate in a relief role (cuz dont forget that joba the hutt had his !!!!!!! before they tried to make him a closer and he's never been the same since, tho he had flashes this year) they can spend 15mil/yr on one of the numerous areas of need where they'd be better suited to spend that 15mil/yr, cuz you know the yankees are always thrifty with their cash like that. TL;DR = based on 2014 betances is a better pitcher than robertson, he's way cheaper, and having spent like ~175+mil on their closer SINCE THE YEAR TWOOOOO THOUUUUUSSSSAAANNNNDDDD!!!! maybe they've seen the light in realizing that they dont have to dole out premium $$$ for a good-enough closer on a maybe-wildcard team in 2015/near-future? |
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| Author: | Hatchetman [ Wed Dec 10, 2014 11:36 am ] |
| Post subject: | Re: Why Did The Yankees Let Robertson Walk |
betances had one of the most, if not the most, amazing statistical seasons ever for a reliever. |
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| Author: | rogers park bryan [ Wed Dec 10, 2014 1:04 pm ] |
| Post subject: | Re: Why Did The Yankees Let Robertson Walk |
From TSFMB 1996 Why did the Yankees Let Wetteland walk |
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| Author: | Hatchetman [ Fri Mar 27, 2015 11:24 am ] |
| Post subject: | Re: Why Did The Yankees Let Robertson Walk |
SORENESS? perhaps? |
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| Author: | Don Tiny [ Fri Mar 27, 2015 11:35 am ] |
| Post subject: | Re: Why Did The Yankees Let Robertson Walk |
To get to the other side? |
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| Author: | sinicalypse [ Fri Mar 27, 2015 12:39 pm ] |
| Post subject: | Re: Why Did The Yankees Let Robertson Walk |
oh yeah and earlier when i uhhh.... unsheathed my SABR, i had completely forgotten about the other reason they let robertson walk: andrew miller. my little IRC bot with the stats is down but he too had ome of those ~1.80/0.90 ERA/WHIPS with ~100k in 60-70IP.... he didnt get used as much as betances, but girardi hasn't named a closer yet. so yeah they had 2 guys go absoutely HAM last year, although betances was more exclusively the "security blankey" like marmol used to be for piniella. i'm sure there's a spirited argument (and maybe a MLBPA grievance re: closer vs mid-reliever salaries) if betances is better for the yankees as a closer or as a put-out-fires-anytime guy..... but either way, that dude's a fucking beast. robertson is very nice and all that, he's had nearly 2 full seasons of top-end closing (cuz i wanna say he missed a month last year?) but when it's time to pay closer salaries even the yankees could be a bit more thrifty than d-rob. |
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| Author: | Kirkwood [ Tue Mar 31, 2015 8:09 am ] |
| Post subject: | Re: Why Did The Yankees Let Robertson Walk |
As Spring Training is nearing to an end my sense is the Yankee let him walk because he can't get batters out and is a future member of the 60-day DL. |
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| Author: | Rod [ Tue Mar 31, 2015 8:11 am ] |
| Post subject: | Re: Why Did The Yankees Let Robertson Walk |
Why are Cub fans so jealous? Because half their team is in Iowa and half their ballpark is missing? |
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| Author: | Keyser Soze [ Mon Aug 31, 2015 8:48 am ] |
| Post subject: | Re: Why Did The Yankees Let Robertson Walk |
The Yankees have claimed David Robertson on revocable waivers. The Yanks have a couple good young catchers in Gary Sanchez and John Ryan Murphy. Do it. |
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| Author: | Hatchetman [ Mon Aug 31, 2015 1:31 pm ] |
| Post subject: | Re: Why Did The Yankees Let Robertson Walk |
Caller Bobs were just blocking Toronto |
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| Author: | Nas [ Mon Aug 31, 2015 1:35 pm ] |
| Post subject: | Re: Why Did The Yankees Let Robertson Walk |
Keyser Soze wrote: The Yankees have claimed David Robertson on revocable waivers. The Yanks have a couple good young catchers in Gary Sanchez and John Ryan Murphy. Do it. Gary Sanchez was supposed to be up last year. |
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| Author: | THE INQUISITOR [ Mon Aug 31, 2015 1:41 pm ] |
| Post subject: | Re: Why Did The Yankees Let Robertson Walk |
Nas wrote: Keyser Soze wrote: The Yankees have claimed David Robertson on revocable waivers. The Yanks have a couple good young catchers in Gary Sanchez and John Ryan Murphy. Do it. Gary Sanchez was supposed to be up last year. Robertson pulled back...no trade. |
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| Author: | BigW72 [ Tue Sep 01, 2015 9:57 am ] |
| Post subject: | Re: Why Did The Yankees Let Robertson Walk |
This organization has no clue what they're doing. |
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| Author: | Kirkwood [ Tue Dec 15, 2015 9:13 am ] |
| Post subject: | Re: Why Did The Yankees Let Robertson Walk |
http://www.southsidesox.com/2015/12/13/10021586/white-sox-notes-from-the-bill-james-handbook-2016 Quote: *David Robertson had the worst "regular save" percentage of any closer with at least 10 attempts (11-for-16). A "regular save" is your garden-variety one-run lead. Perhaps good dolphin will finally acknowledge Robertson sucks, is overpaid and no one wants a closer who can't close. |
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| Author: | good dolphin [ Tue Dec 15, 2015 9:40 am ] |
| Post subject: | Re: Why Did The Yankees Let Robertson Walk |
Kirkwood wrote: http://www.southsidesox.com/2015/12/13/10021586/white-sox-notes-from-the-bill-james-handbook-2016 Quote: *David Robertson had the worst "regular save" percentage of any closer with at least 10 attempts (11-for-16). A "regular save" is your garden-variety one-run lead. Perhaps good dolphin will finally acknowledge Robertson sucks, is overpaid and no one wants a closer who can't close. I guess the bouncer at the front door finally let you in. It takes RPB leaving. I saw that yesterday. If the Sox put him on the market today, they would have a handful of offers for him tomorrow. |
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