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Author:  Rod [ Mon Apr 13, 2015 8:49 am ]
Post subject:  Ozzie Guillen
It looks like Kenny is paving the way for a potential Ozzie Guillen 2- Electric Boogaloo.
Author:  Brick [ Mon Apr 13, 2015 8:53 am ]
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Joe Orr Road Rod wrote:
It looks like Kenny is paving the way for a potential Ozzie Guillen 2- Electric Boogaloo.
Why?

...and yes please.
Author:  sinicalypse [ Mon Apr 13, 2015 8:54 am ]
Post subject:  Re: Ozzie Guillen
You mean he's not too busy sailing his yacht around Europe on the 4+mil/yr that loria is prolly still paying him?

As an expos fan that just warms the cackles of my heart. I've said it b4 and i'll say it again, baggage/burnout factor duly noted this guy can manage my baseball team. Its not like he was technically wrong about castro y'know!
Author:  Rod [ Mon Apr 13, 2015 8:56 am ]
Post subject:  Re: Ozzie Guillen
Boilermaker Rick wrote:
Joe Orr Road Rod wrote:
It looks like Kenny is paving the way for a potential Ozzie Guillen 2- Electric Boogaloo.
Why?

...and yes please.



Well, they talked before the home opener and Kenny made a big point of saying how they've been friends since they were 18 years old and they've had ups and downs and they'll always be friends. I'm sure you can find it online.

Also, Kenny went out of his way to say all kinds of positive stuff about Guillen in Believe. He almost wept when he talked about the photo with Ozzie's arm around his head.
Author:  America [ Mon Apr 13, 2015 9:19 am ]
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Kenny is not the barrier to Ozzie's triumphant return. Never has been.

However, the Chairman has gotten particularly weepy and senile so they may be able to sneak it past him. I dont know how they get Robin out, though.
Author:  Darkside [ Mon Apr 13, 2015 9:21 am ]
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America wrote:
Kenny is not the barrier to Ozzie's triumphant return. Never has been.

However, the Chairman has gotten particularly weepy and senile so they may be able to sneak it past him. I dont know how they get Robin out, though.

No problem. You savard the guy and win some championships right?
Author:  Brick [ Mon Apr 13, 2015 9:27 am ]
Post subject:  Re: Ozzie Guillen
Joe Orr Road Rod wrote:
Boilermaker Rick wrote:
Joe Orr Road Rod wrote:
It looks like Kenny is paving the way for a potential Ozzie Guillen 2- Electric Boogaloo.
Why?

...and yes please.



Well, they talked before the home opener and Kenny made a big point of saying how they've been friends since they were 18 years old and they've had ups and downs and they'll always be friends. I'm sure you can find it online.

Also, Kenny went out of his way to say all kinds of positive stuff about Guillen in Believe. He almost wept when he talked about the photo with Ozzie's arm around his head.
Thanks.

I need to find a way to watch Believe. As you know, I'm a big fan of 2005.
Author:  rogers park bryan [ Mon Apr 13, 2015 9:28 am ]
Post subject:  Re: Ozzie Guillen
Boilermaker Rick wrote:
Joe Orr Road Rod wrote:
Boilermaker Rick wrote:
Joe Orr Road Rod wrote:
It looks like Kenny is paving the way for a potential Ozzie Guillen 2- Electric Boogaloo.
Why?

...and yes please.



Well, they talked before the home opener and Kenny made a big point of saying how they've been friends since they were 18 years old and they've had ups and downs and they'll always be friends. I'm sure you can find it online.

Also, Kenny went out of his way to say all kinds of positive stuff about Guillen in Believe. He almost wept when he talked about the photo with Ozzie's arm around his head.
Thanks.

I need to find a way to watch Believe. As you know, I'm a big fan of 2005.

Ill DVR it and let you use my info if you want
Author:  Rod [ Mon Apr 13, 2015 9:31 am ]
Post subject:  Re: Ozzie Guillen
America wrote:
I dont know how they get Robin out, though.


They'll either play good enough and there will be no need. Or they'll be bad and forced to make a change.
Author:  good dolphin [ Mon Apr 13, 2015 9:34 am ]
Post subject:  Re: Ozzie Guillen
Boilermaker Rick wrote:
Joe Orr Road Rod wrote:
Boilermaker Rick wrote:
Joe Orr Road Rod wrote:
It looks like Kenny is paving the way for a potential Ozzie Guillen 2- Electric Boogaloo.
Why?

...and yes please.



Well, they talked before the home opener and Kenny made a big point of saying how they've been friends since they were 18 years old and they've had ups and downs and they'll always be friends. I'm sure you can find it online.

Also, Kenny went out of his way to say all kinds of positive stuff about Guillen in Believe. He almost wept when he talked about the photo with Ozzie's arm around his head.
Thanks.

I need to find a way to watch Believe. As you know, I'm a big fan of 2005.


Why? What happened in 2005? Refresh my memory.
Author:  Hatchetman [ Mon Apr 13, 2015 9:36 am ]
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like I always say, "you can't go home again."
Author:  Brick [ Mon Apr 13, 2015 9:39 am ]
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rogers park bryan wrote:
Ill DVR it and let you use my info if you want
I'm hoping I can use my parents Comcast account eventually.

good dolphin wrote:
Why? What happened in 2005? Refresh my memory.
The greatest run in baseball post-season history(tied).
Author:  Frank Coztansa [ Mon Apr 13, 2015 11:10 am ]
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Joe Orr Road Rod wrote:
Also, Kenny went out of his way to say all kinds of positive stuff about Guillen in Believe. He almost wept when he talked about the photo with Ozzie's arm around his head.
He also said he wasn't going to go to the Championship Parade until Jerry made him go. :lol:

I thought 'Believe' was pretty cool. I wish they would have talked to more of the bullpen guys, and Contreras who was IMO the biggest key to them winning the division, but overall very well done. While they glorified the Indians during their white hot run in the second half of 2005, they kind of painted the Sox as a shitty, struggling team for the better part of the second half. Post AS game, they were 11-6 in July, overall it was a bad August but at 4 games under .500 it was not a killer, and they won 19 games in September (3 of which after they clinched the division). Overall, 43-34 post AS game is not bad by any means. Cleveland was just absolutely red hot for about 6 weeks.

Oh, Joe Crede got downright fat since he hung up his spikes :lol:
Author:  Ed_from_Lisle [ Mon Apr 13, 2015 11:25 am ]
Post subject:  Re: Ozzie Guillen
Darkside wrote:
America wrote:
Kenny is not the barrier to Ozzie's triumphant return. Never has been.

However, the Chairman has gotten particularly weepy and senile so they may be able to sneak it past him. I dont know how they get Robin out, though.

No problem. You savard the guy and win some championships right?


Freaking love the use of "savard" as a verb. Kudos!
Author:  good dolphin [ Mon Apr 13, 2015 11:56 am ]
Post subject:  Re: Ozzie Guillen
Frank Coztansa wrote:
Joe Orr Road Rod wrote:
Also, Kenny went out of his way to say all kinds of positive stuff about Guillen in Believe. He almost wept when he talked about the photo with Ozzie's arm around his head.
He also said he wasn't going to go to the Championship Parade until Jerry made him go. :lol::


KW is a liar and an asshole, perpetually trying to portray the image of a tough guy
Author:  Hatchetman [ Mon Apr 13, 2015 11:59 am ]
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good dolphin wrote:
[KW is a liar and an asshole, perpetually trying to portray the image of a tough guy


what makes it even more annoying is that he pretty much sucked as a major leaguer.
Author:  BigW72 [ Mon Apr 13, 2015 2:12 pm ]
Post subject:  Re: Ozzie Guillen
My favorite Ozzie Guillen White Sox manager moments:
1) Describing the rats at Wrigley as weight lifters
2) The Bobby Jenks call to the bullpen
3) Choke symbol

Plenty of things I disliked about Ozzie. His act got old, but he was brilliant at turning the media focus to him when his team struggled.

Robin is not a good manager, but he is not the problem with the team. The least of my concerns is with the manager.
Author:  Hatchetman [ Mon Apr 13, 2015 2:26 pm ]
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I hated Ozzie's Sunday lineups, but that's about all I can think of managerial wise that bothered me.
Author:  Swingandalongonetoright [ Mon Apr 13, 2015 3:09 pm ]
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I was disappointed to see him go the way he did, and would love to see him manaying this club again, but it would probably be a bad thing if they were already making preparations for it. I say probably because I kind of get the feeling that Ventura is one who is liable to walk away even if 2015-2016 are successful, just because.

That said, I would still be somewhat surprised to see this.
Author:  Darkside [ Mon Apr 13, 2015 3:11 pm ]
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Awfully forgiving of a guy that literally gave up and ran out on his team.
Author:  Brick [ Mon Apr 13, 2015 3:15 pm ]
Post subject:  Re: Ozzie Guillen
Darkside wrote:
Awfully forgiving of a guy that literally gave up and ran out on his team.
He was traded.
Author:  Darkside [ Mon Apr 13, 2015 3:17 pm ]
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Boilermaker Rick wrote:
Darkside wrote:
Awfully forgiving of a guy that literally gave up and ran out on his team.
He was traded.

Yes. And Renteria was offered a different position with the Cubs.
Author:  Darkside [ Mon Apr 13, 2015 3:32 pm ]
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IIRC, didn't Ozzie say he had been talking to the Marlins for years?
Or something to that effect?
Author:  good dolphin [ Mon Apr 13, 2015 3:37 pm ]
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I think AJ would be the next in line former Sox who isn't currently considering being a manager
Author:  Brick [ Mon Apr 13, 2015 3:38 pm ]
Post subject:  Re: Ozzie Guillen
Darkside wrote:
Boilermaker Rick wrote:
Darkside wrote:
Awfully forgiving of a guy that literally gave up and ran out on his team.
He was traded.

Yes. And Renteria was offered a different position with the Cubs.
I'm just objecting that he ran out on the team.

Things weren't going well with him here and he had worn out his welcome.

The idea would be that maybe he has been humbled a little. I think 2005 may have gone to his head a little.
Author:  Darkside [ Mon Apr 13, 2015 3:40 pm ]
Post subject:  Re: Ozzie Guillen
Boilermaker Rick wrote:
I'm just objecting that he ran out on the team.

Things weren't going well with him here and he had worn out his welcome.

The idea would be that maybe he has been humbled a little. I think 2005 may have gone to his head a little.

The board consensus at the time was that he was running out on his team. He talked of the Marlins job in September. He was released early, immediately signed. Was it Oney that posted still in September that he was taking the Marlins job? I think he did.
Ozzie ran out on the team.
Author:  Hatchetman [ Mon Apr 13, 2015 3:47 pm ]
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he wanted a nice new fat contract & JR/KW told him no. he got mad and wanted out. happens all the time in business.
Author:  Swingandalongonetoright [ Mon Apr 13, 2015 4:02 pm ]
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Darkside wrote:
Awfully forgiving of a guy that literally gave up and ran out on his team.


No, you're right. It was a pretty shitty way to make an exit. But those were some good years, and that's probably why I could overlook the way it ended. Except 2007, with Jerry Owens, Darrin Erstad, and Andy Gonzalez.
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