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Author:  bigfan [ Wed Jun 17, 2015 4:15 pm ]
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Hahn..."It's getting to the point where it's not earlier anymore"
Author:  denisdman [ Wed Jun 17, 2015 4:18 pm ]
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bigfan wrote:
Hahn..."It's getting to the point where it's not earlier anymore"


In early June, he said the team had 30 days to turn it around otherwise he would re-evaluate the roster. Pretty safe to say the Sox will be sellers. It's unfortunate, I liked most of his off season moves. But if guys don't play at or above their career averages, there is nothing a GM can do.
Author:  bigfan [ Wed Jun 17, 2015 4:26 pm ]
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denisdman wrote:
bigfan wrote:
Hahn..."It's getting to the point where it's not earlier anymore"


In early June, he said the team had 30 days to turn it around otherwise he would re-evaluate the roster. Pretty safe to say the Sox will be sellers. It's unfortunate, I liked most of his off season moves. But if guys don't play at or above their career averages, there is nothing a GM can do.

Maybe they will let him be the GM....Hahn loves numbers, yes, just like Theo and Jed. Do you think he was the driving force behind Cabrera?
Author:  billypootons [ Wed Jun 17, 2015 4:35 pm ]
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team is dead, estate sale should be started now.... why wait any longer?
Author:  bigfan [ Wed Jun 17, 2015 4:39 pm ]
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billypootons wrote:
team is dead, estate sale should be started now.... why wait any longer?



But who are you selling?

I agree you move Cabrera and Laroche. You take the loss on the contracts and just admit you made a mistake.....and if you are really doing the full self anal examination....you trade Adam Eaton.
Author:  billypootons [ Wed Jun 17, 2015 4:55 pm ]
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bigfan wrote:
billypootons wrote:
team is dead, estate sale should be started now.... why wait any longer?



But who are you selling?

I agree you move Cabrera and Laroche. You take the loss on the contracts and just admit you made a mistake.....and if you are really doing the full self anal examination....you trade Adam Eaton.


sell anyone except for sale, quintana, abreu, rodon, garcia if the price is right
Author:  Rod [ Wed Jun 17, 2015 7:01 pm ]
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Quintana is the guy you sell. He's probably the only one you can get anything for. I doubt they can get rid of Cabrera. LaRoche is probably movable. Teams can always use a left-handed power bat. Samardzija should get you something. And you missed the window on Alexei. You can move Duke. I'm not sure what kind of no-trade Robertson has, but I'm sure someone is desperate for a lockdown closer. I send him down the road if possible. I'd look at moving Eaton, but I'm not giving him away. In the meantime, I'd have Micah Johnson playing in center everyday in AAA.
Author:  BD [ Wed Jun 17, 2015 7:25 pm ]
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bigfan wrote:
Hahn..."It's getting to the point where it's not earlier anymore"


It's getting to the point where it's become clear the team isn't good. They are a 75 win team.

I doubt they go on a 30-10 type of run that will be needed, pretty much right away.
Author:  BD [ Wed Jun 17, 2015 7:26 pm ]
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bigfan wrote:
billypootons wrote:
team is dead, estate sale should be started now.... why wait any longer?



But who are you selling?

I agree you move Cabrera and Laroche. You take the loss on the contracts and just admit you made a mistake.....and if you are really doing the full self anal examination....you trade Adam Eaton.


Who wants Cabrera?

LaRoche could have some value (not that the White Sox would get much in return) given that he can get on base.
Author:  Scooter [ Wed Jun 17, 2015 7:27 pm ]
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Joe Orr Road Rod wrote:
Quintana is the guy you sell. He's probably the only one you can get anything for. I doubt they can get rid of Cabrera. LaRoche is probably movable. Teams can always use a left-handed power bat. Samardzija should get you something. And you missed the window on Alexei. You can move Duke. I'm not sure what kind of no-trade Robertson has, but I'm sure someone is desperate for a lockdown closer. I send him down the road if possible. I'd look at moving Eaton, but I'm not giving him away. In the meantime, I'd have Micah Johnson playing in center everyday in AAA.

Agree with most of this except Samardzija. Not going to get much for him now. La Roche is moveable. No one is gonna overpay for Eaton.
Author:  BD [ Wed Jun 17, 2015 7:28 pm ]
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Joe Orr Road Rod wrote:
Quintana is the guy you sell. He's probably the only one you can get anything for. I doubt they can get rid of Cabrera. LaRoche is probably movable. Teams can always use a left-handed power bat. Samardzija should get you something. And you missed the window on Alexei. You can move Duke. I'm not sure what kind of no-trade Robertson has, but I'm sure someone is desperate for a lockdown closer. I send him down the road if possible. I'd look at moving Eaton, but I'm not giving him away. In the meantime, I'd have Micah Johnson playing in center everyday in AAA.


They really need to focus on improving their farm system. Quintana is the only guy at the point (maybe Samardzjia with a strong month) who can get a real prosepct back.

I think the White Sox are much more likely to keep Sale/Quintana, and let Samardzia walk/trade, and do another on the fly rebuild this winter. I don't think Cabrera is going anywhere and I hate having 2 1B type on the roster, so hoping they can move LaRoche, but doubtful since they'd probably need to take on some of his salary for next season.
Author:  BD [ Wed Jun 17, 2015 7:29 pm ]
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Scooter wrote:
Joe Orr Road Rod wrote:
Quintana is the guy you sell. He's probably the only one you can get anything for. I doubt they can get rid of Cabrera. LaRoche is probably movable. Teams can always use a left-handed power bat. Samardzija should get you something. And you missed the window on Alexei. You can move Duke. I'm not sure what kind of no-trade Robertson has, but I'm sure someone is desperate for a lockdown closer. I send him down the road if possible. I'd look at moving Eaton, but I'm not giving him away. In the meantime, I'd have Micah Johnson playing in center everyday in AAA.

Agree with most of this except Samardzija. Not going to get much for him now. La Roche is moveable. No one is gonna overpay for Eaton.


Don't see a reason to move Eaton. I think it's too early to give up on him. He has an affordable contract, I think they made an investment there; give it a shot to return some on the investment.
Author:  Darkside [ Wed Jun 17, 2015 7:33 pm ]
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Trading Shark makes total sense. Why would you keep him? you certainly don't want to pay him the next contract so he's gone after this year. Trade him to a NL WC contender for a couple medium prospects or a draft pick or something.
He's fairly useless here.
Author:  BD [ Wed Jun 17, 2015 7:36 pm ]
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Darkside wrote:
Trading Shark makes total sense. Why would you keep him? you certainly don't want to pay him the next contract so he's gone after this year. Trade him to a NL WC contender for a couple medium prospects or a draft pick or something.
He's fairly useless here.


Should they keep him, I think they can get a draft pick for him if they offer him arbitration after the season. He could choose to accept it since he'd probably get a huge pay raise and then try to get back on track, but chances are he'd turn it down and still get a pretty large deal since pitching is in such demand.

If they try to trade him in late July and he still has a 4.50+ ERA, they won't get much for him.

Hopefully, he can have a strong 6 game stretch and become a commodity.
Author:  Darkside [ Wed Jun 17, 2015 7:41 pm ]
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BD wrote:
Darkside wrote:
Trading Shark makes total sense. Why would you keep him? you certainly don't want to pay him the next contract so he's gone after this year. Trade him to a NL WC contender for a couple medium prospects or a draft pick or something.
He's fairly useless here.


Should they keep him, I think they can get a draft pick for him if they offer him arbitration after the season. He could choose to accept it since he'd probably get a huge pay raise and then try to get back on track, but chances are he'd turn it down and still get a pretty large deal since pitching is in such demand.

If they try to trade him in late July and he still has a 4.50+ ERA, they won't get much for him.

Hopefully, he can have a strong 6 game stretch and become a commodity.

He's more of a commode than a commodity.
Ba-doom doo tsss!
He's not going to get that contract he wants. He's a loser. the league knows it. He's being shipped around, no one really offering him a money extension.
He really fucked himself out of serious cash by declining the cubs offer. As a cub fan, I'm glad he did decline.
Author:  Scooter [ Wed Jun 17, 2015 7:48 pm ]
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Darkside wrote:
BD wrote:
Darkside wrote:
Trading Shark makes total sense. Why would you keep him? you certainly don't want to pay him the next contract so he's gone after this year. Trade him to a NL WC contender for a couple medium prospects or a draft pick or something.
He's fairly useless here.


Should they keep him, I think they can get a draft pick for him if they offer him arbitration after the season. He could choose to accept it since he'd probably get a huge pay raise and then try to get back on track, but chances are he'd turn it down and still get a pretty large deal since pitching is in such demand.

If they try to trade him in late July and he still has a 4.50+ ERA, they won't get much for him.

Hopefully, he can have a strong 6 game stretch and become a commodity.

He's more of a commode than a commodity.
Ba-doom doo tsss!
He's not going to get that contract he wants. He's a loser. the league knows it. He's being shipped around, no one really offering him a money extension.
He really fucked himself out of serious cash by declining the cubs offer. As a cub fan, I'm glad he did decline.

He screwed the pooch on that one. Cubs offered more than a fair deal. Bet on himself and lost big time. :lol:
Author:  cpguy [ Wed Jun 17, 2015 9:34 pm ]
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That Cabrera contract really looks bad now: 3/42M.

14M a year for this bum. They'd have to eat at least 30M to move his ass.

:lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol:
Author:  312player [ Wed Jun 17, 2015 9:37 pm ]
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Nobody wants the melkman .

Shark won't yield dick in prospects.
Author:  cpguy [ Wed Jun 17, 2015 9:41 pm ]
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312player wrote:
Nobody wants the melkman .

Shark won't yield dick in prospects.


They'd get something for Shark.
Author:  bigfan [ Thu Jun 18, 2015 8:35 am ]
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cpguy wrote:
312player wrote:
Nobody wants the melkman .

Shark won't yield dick in prospects.


They'd get something for Shark.


Agree, but nothing much. You get a single A arm at best...but its the Sox so they might just think they are keeping him.
Author:  Gloopan Kuratz [ Thu Jun 18, 2015 8:40 am ]
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Keep the pitching. All of it.

Other than Abreu, everyone else is fair game..
Author:  BigW72 [ Thu Jun 18, 2015 8:49 am ]
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The bad news is the team sucks and the players they signed all pretty much blow. The good news is none of them are L-T crippling like Adam Dunn and Alex Rios contracts.

Quintana is a tough call....he has value and is a decent starting pitcher, but those aren't always easy to find. I'd lean towards keeping him. Abreu, Sale all stay.

You'll get very little back for LaRoche, but an NL team will take him and will at least relieve you of paying him.
Melky's contract is stupid. I remember thinking when they signed him..."uh...WHY?" Probably stuck with that one....or eating a lot of the money.
Samardija has value and somone will need a starting pitcher...deal him when u get the chance.
Duke can be moved.
Eaton - I'd move him.

The team is bad but the organization isn't in contract hell. They need to clean house and find a way to start over. they suck.
Author:  312player [ Thu Jun 18, 2015 2:59 pm ]
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When I say they won't get dick . I mean , they will get bodies but none of value.

You can't trade Sale or Quintana . The Sox need to get rid of scrubs like Beckham, Eaton , Samardiza , laroche, Alexi , Flowers .

That's easy to do.. A lot of those guys contracts expire this season. The rest ..ya eat some dough n make some trades.

Ventura-Cooper gone

You go out n buck up and grab cespedes .

Next season ya got Sale , Rodin and Quintana as 1-3 ..that's very good . This division is not that great ..could win 90 plus if ya do that .
Author:  BigW72 [ Thu Jun 18, 2015 3:49 pm ]
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While that makes sense, Hahn / Williams ego will prevail and they'll retain most of these turds.
Author:  newper [ Thu Jun 18, 2015 7:52 pm ]
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billypootons wrote:
sell anyone except for sale, quintana, abreu, rodon, garcia if the price is right

Take your first two words and your last five and you have the right answer. If some team wants to give me their top 3 MLB players, top 3 minor league players and $155 million in cash for Sale, I'm probably going to take it. Everything is relative -- I don't think there should be anybody untouchable on this squad for any reason (I guess if they have a no-trade then they might be untouchable, but you get my point.)
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