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PostPosted: Sat May 14, 2011 2:35 pm 
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Good article here:

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Don't mistake reluctant Rose for a shrinking violet

By Ken Berger
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May 14, 2011


In the early days of July, when the basketball world was consumed with the recruitment of LeBron James and Dwyane Wade, one of the league's brightest young stars immersed himself in solitude. Far from the circus-like environment of pitch visits and badly orchestrated TV announcements, Derrick Rose retreated to the only place that gave him comfort.

"He was in the gym," said a personal friend of Rose, "working on his game."

At a time when Chicago native Wade and fellow Creative Artists Agency client Chris Bosh were huddled in their agent's office in the Windy City being wooed by Bulls executives, Rose was nowhere to be found. When Bulls officials went to Cleveland the next day to join in the biggest superstar suck-up in NBA history, pulling out all the stops in hopes that James would say "I do," Rose did not inject his influence into the process.

Some interpreted Rose's silence as a deafening repudiation of James and Wade, as a sign that he somehow wouldn't welcome the superstars to share the stage in his native Chicago. It isn't clear how James and Wade interpreted Rose's lack of engagement. But one thing is clear: Rose's priorities were in the right place. He was working on getting better, respecting the hierarchy of the team and letting the people who get paid to make personnel decisions do their jobs.

"Obviously, no NBA player is going to go beg someone to come play with him," said another person familiar with Rose's approach. "He was fine with LeBron, Wade or Bosh on his team, and he's fine with Carlos Boozer, Joakim Noah and Luol Deng. He goes about his business the same way regardless of who's on his team."

In addition to his electrifying talent, precocious leadership and the MVP trophy secured in only his third season in the NBA, these traits are what make Rose one of the anti-stars in the modern-day, buddy-up culture of pro basketball. At a time when his elders were conspiring to change the landscape of the sport, when CAA already was plotting the next wave led by Carmelo Anthony and Chris Paul, Rose was where he felt he belonged: in the gym, out of the spotlight and in his proper place in the pecking order.

"Don't let me be one of these guys trying to tell people what we need," Rose told a confidant last summer. "Let's figure out who we are first. Let's control the things we can control."

As the Bulls face the Heat in Game 1 of the Eastern Conference finals Sunday in Chicago, it's easy to project onto Rose what a player of his stature should've done back in July. But that would be ignoring the obvious. Rose's talent and star power might have him in the same exclusive neighborhood as the Miami duo, but in his mind, the elevator carrying Rose to the top hadn't reached the penthouse yet.

"He's not pretending to know what this league is about," Rose's close friend said. "He's not pretending to know what [supporting talent] he needs. How arrogant would that be for him to even do something of that nature? He never won a playoff series until this year. He's a young kid and a good kid, and he doesn't know those things. You have to know what you don't know."

When James and Wade were re-aligning the basketball solar system last summer, they had both played seven seasons with the same organization and were setting the table for the next phase in their careers. Amar'e Stoudemire, the first big free agent to jump when he signed a five-year, $99 million deal with the Knicks, was at a similar point -- and immediately began using the clout and status he had earned as a perennial All-Star to put the full-court press on LeBron and Wade to join him with the Knicks.

Rose was only 21, two years into his NBA career. The idea of wooing LeBron and Wade "was never discussed" last summer, his friend said.

"What are we trying to project on him? Let's not forget, this is a 22-year-old kid. He's supposed to be a senior in college."

"I'm a player," Rose told the confidant last summer. "You do your job and contribute and you trust the other guy to do what he contributes."

Including the people who were making the trip to Cleveland to court LeBron, including co-executives of the year: GM Gar Forman of the Bulls and president Pat Riley of the Heat.

"Those people get paid lots of money to do that," Rose said, according to his confidant. "Give those people the respect."

Rose's reluctance to recruit James and Wade didn't speak to his opinion about playing with either. It spoke to his recognition that it wasn't his job to partake of the kind of basketball nation-building that was unfolding all around him.

"If LeBron wanted to come, I think Derrick was fine with it," said a third person familiar with Rose's thinking. "And I think Derrick was fine if he didn't want to come."

The assumption that Rose would've jumped into the free-agent fray with public statements, secret meetings or a barrage of text messages if he really wanted to attract one of the top 2010 free agents was flawed from the beginning. Rose only stepped in when his silence was spun as reluctance to team up with James, whose immaturity with the whole process belied his more seasoned status in the league.

Rose's lone foray into the world of free-agent recruitment was a single text message to James, sent more to clear the air than to woo the Cleveland star. As revealed in a Sports Illustrated profile in March, Rose succumbed and texted James in his typically understated way to shoot down speculation that he didn't want him in Chicago.

"I'm just hitting you up to kill all the rumors that I don't want to play with you," Rose wrote. "I'd like to play with you. I just want to win."

Not exactly a ringing endorsement, but that's Rose. That's a basketball talent who in less than a year would become the youngest MVP in league history -- in large part, because he was more obsessed with improving his game last summer than sucking up to free agents. He was more interested in bonding with the teammates he had than importing new ones.

"The kid says it every time he does an interview, and no one seems to have figured it out," Rose's friend said. "He just wants to win."

Maybe after seven or eight years in the league, Rose will change. Maybe he'll be more opinionated or forceful about exerting his star status than he is now, in the infant stages of greatness. But until then, he'll go to battle against Miami's free-agent super trio with Boozer and Deng, Noah and Kyle Korver, Taj Gibson and Ronnie Brewer. He'll execute Tom Thibodeau's game plan, say, "My bad," when he messes up and let his talent and the work he put in last summer speak for itself.

"He won in high school, he won in college, and he's winning on the NBA level," one of the people who knows him said. "That's just the way he goes about his business."

Even if he has a different view of business than his contemporaries, and would rather mind his own.


http://www.cbssports.com/#!/nba/story/1 ... ing-violet

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Dan Mcneil is sickened by this garbage.

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Mac wrote:
Meh, he's boring.

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That is a really good article. One of the things that separates rose from his peers aside from his incredible talent is his maturity level and approach to life not just the game. Incredibly enough at his age, he's already seemed to have mastered the invaluable lesson of not letting others actions effect your behavior/actions. It is very apparent that his approach is directly correlated with his rare quick success. And I won't even get into his MVP acceptance speech except to say it's hard for me to imagine ever saying anything bad about him again. Oops, I forgot he's supposed to be a thug tho in some's views, right?

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That is a really good article. One of the things that separates rose from his peers aside from his incredible talent is his maturity level and approach to life not just the game. Incredibly enough at his age, he's already seemed to have mastered the invaluable lesson of not letting others actions effect your behavior/actions. It is very apparent that his approach is directly correlated with his rare quick success. And I won't even get into his MVP acceptance speech except to say it's hard for me to imagine ever saying anything bad about him again. Oops, I forgot he's supposed to be a thug tho in some's views, right?


Right. Tattoos = thuggish ruggish. Whatever.


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Rose is a great as every one says he is, but that seems like a giant fluff piece with a bunch made up quotes from his "confidant."


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This article made me figure out why Mac pissed me off so much. Derrick Rose is not only such a special talent, but he's a special person. He has all the talent possible, but only wants to use it for good. To say he's boring, because he doesn't act like a superstar, deuchebank athlete, is lazy, shit writing. It's writing to get negative attention. It's saying everything is racist, or posting in all caps on a message board.

Rose is a once in a lifetime human being. He's everything anyone could want right now. It's time to go win, and tell everyone to shut their mouths.

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This article made me figure out why Mac pissed me off so much. Derrick Rose is not only such a special talent, but he's a special person. He has all the talent possible, but only wants to use it for good. To say he's boring, because he doesn't act like a superstar, deuchebank athlete, is lazy, shit writing. It's writing to get negative attention. It's saying everything is racist, or posting in all caps on a message board.

Rose is a once in a lifetime human being. He's everything anyone could want right now. It's time to go win, and tell everyone to shut their mouths.


Mac was just trying to be Cowherd. He doesn't follow or give much of a shit about basketball. He just wanted to be a dick and he copied what Cowherd says about these 2.

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This article made me figure out why Mac pissed me off so much. Derrick Rose is not only such a special talent, but he's a special person. He has all the talent possible, but only wants to use it for good. To say he's boring, because he doesn't act like a superstar, deuchebank athlete, is lazy, shit writing. It's writing to get negative attention. It's saying everything is racist, or posting in all caps on a message board.

Rose is a once in a lifetime human being. He's everything anyone could want right now. It's time to go win, and tell everyone to shut their mouths.


Mac was just trying to be Cowherd. He doesn't follow or give much of a shit about basketball. He just wanted to be a dick and he copied what Cowherd says about these 2.


That was my point yesterday. Mac > Colin Cowherd. Which is why it bothered me.

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Oops, I forgot he's supposed to be a thug tho in some's views, right?

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I was certain that pic would come up when I posted that

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I was certain that pic would come up when I posted that

Of course

I am not saying he is a thug but I also don't think he is the pope. Everything I have read/heard he comes off as a really nice guy, he carries himself well and he has respect for others, as evident by addressing Larry Drew as Sir after beating Atlanta.

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How did that conversation go? "You Sir, just got your ass kicked".


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How did that conversation go? "You Sir, just got your ass kicked".

"Excuse me Sir, can you repeat that, I couldn't hear you over the sound of my awesomeness"

Larry called him over and told him "You have a chance to do something special..blah blah" and Rose was like "Yes Sir"

I can't remember the exact conversation in detail, but from what I heard Rose was polite.

Although,I think after Larry Drew walked away, he threw up the forks

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I was certain that pic would come up when I posted that

Of course

I am not saying he is a thug but I also don't think he is the pope. Everything I have read/heard he comes off as a really nice guy, he carries himself well and he has respect for others, as evident by addressing Larry Drew as Sir after beating Atlanta.


I don't even know if the pope is a good guy. I'm not advocating putting up rose for the Nobel prize or anything but I'm pretty sure his attitude and character are pretty relevant in how he plays. I'm surprised so many people view these games thru the IB school of thought that players and teams are pawns to be moved around and science problems to figure out. Not every article about the human element of the game is a fluff piece or lazy writing. Most are probably though

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Not every article about the human element of the game is a fluff piece or lazy writing. Most are probably though

To your point, there are too many articles suggesting he is the goods. It can't all be fluff. This is a decent piece.

Derrick Rose stays connected to tough Englewood neighborhood

http://www.suntimes.com/sports/basketba ... rhood.html

And another by Aschburner.
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Larry called him over and told him "You have a chance to do something special..blah blah" and Rose was like "Yes Sir"

This seems to happen all the time. Someone has some advice for the kid. I think I would be throwing up some forks if everyone had some advice for me and I had to politely sit and take it. That cannot be easy.


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Rose is a great as every one says he is, but that seems like a giant fluff piece with a bunch made up quotes from his "confidant."


Can't please everyone. Oh well.

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FavreFan wrote:
Oops, I forgot he's supposed to be a thug tho in some's views, right?

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KDdidit wrote:
Rose is a great as every one says he is, but that seems like a giant fluff piece with a bunch made up quotes from his "confidant."


Can't please everyone. Oh well.

I couldn't be more pleased with Rose. That just seems like a bogus article.


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KDdidit wrote:
Rose is a great as every one says he is, but that seems like a giant fluff piece with a bunch made up quotes from his "confidant."


Can't please everyone. Oh well.

I couldn't be more pleased with Rose. That just seems like a bogus article.


I'm pretty sure that was what he was referencing

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