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At this point I don't know if he even had potential. He didn't start his one year in college. He was drafted 4th on potential potential.

Yeah maybe potential isn't the right word.

But he had all the tools to be a really good player. It just didn't work out. He does not have that drive in him to be good. I do agree that Billy D did not do him any favors.

It's still a grown man's league. This fits right into my Markkanen theory. Many people need some adversity to be self aware and get self discipline. Lauri's light bulb switched on mostly because the Bulls gave up on him. It's probable it doesn't if he stays.


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RFDC wrote:
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At this point I don't know if he even had potential. He didn't start his one year in college. He was drafted 4th on potential potential.

Yeah maybe potential isn't the right word.

But he had all the tools to be a really good player. It just didn't work out. He does not have that drive in him to be good. I do agree that Billy D did not do him any favors.


He has game but to be great you have to be a little selfish sometimes. He passes up too many shots and isn't in attack mode all that often

He also might be a bit of a "tweener" offensively. We will never know because Small Ball Billy has always insisted on using him as a stretch four.

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 Post subject: Re: Patrick Williams
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At this point I don't know if he even had potential. He didn't start his one year in college. He was drafted 4th on potential potential.

Yeah maybe potential isn't the right word.

But he had all the tools to be a really good player. It just didn't work out. He does not have that drive in him to be good. I do agree that Billy D did not do him any favors.


He has game but to be great you have to be a little selfish sometimes. He passes up too many shots and isn't in attack mode all that often

He also might be a bit of a "tweener" offensively. We will never know because Small Ball Billy has always insisted on using him as a stretch four.


The rebounding thing is what has always got me. He should be getting way more rebs a game. And yet he just doesn't. He goes through the motions

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 Post subject: Re: Patrick Williams
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RFDC wrote:
The Doctor Of Style wrote:
RFDC wrote:
KDdidit wrote:
At this point I don't know if he even had potential. He didn't start his one year in college. He was drafted 4th on potential potential.

Yeah maybe potential isn't the right word.

But he had all the tools to be a really good player. It just didn't work out. He does not have that drive in him to be good. I do agree that Billy D did not do him any favors.


He has game but to be great you have to be a little selfish sometimes. He passes up too many shots and isn't in attack mode all that often

He also might be a bit of a "tweener" offensively. We will never know because Small Ball Billy has always insisted on using him as a stretch four.


The rebounding thing is what has always got me. He should be getting way more rebs a game. And yet he just doesn't. He goes through the motions

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His rebounding for a Small Forward (which is his natural position) are about league average.

The biggest problem for me is that Donovan never puts him position to do anything.

Game after game Sky King proclaims that aren't going to run any plays for him. Question is why? Donovan allows journeymen like THT to come in and do whatever the hell he wants but not the team's lottery pick and so called "future"?.
It makes no sense. But even with that Williams still has to be a player at some point and go get it for himself.
And he rarely shows that he has that level of aggressiveness or "dog" in his game

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 Post subject: Re: Patrick Williams
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The Doctor Of Style wrote:
RFDC wrote:
The Doctor Of Style wrote:
RFDC wrote:
KDdidit wrote:
At this point I don't know if he even had potential. He didn't start his one year in college. He was drafted 4th on potential potential.

Yeah maybe potential isn't the right word.

But he had all the tools to be a really good player. It just didn't work out. He does not have that drive in him to be good. I do agree that Billy D did not do him any favors.


He has game but to be great you have to be a little selfish sometimes. He passes up too many shots and isn't in attack mode all that often

He also might be a bit of a "tweener" offensively. We will never know because Small Ball Billy has always insisted on using him as a stretch four.


The rebounding thing is what has always got me. He should be getting way more rebs a game. And yet he just doesn't. He goes through the motions

.
His rebounding for a Small Forward (which is his natural position) are about league average.

The biggest problem for me is that Donovan never puts him position to do anything.

Game after game Sky King proclaims that aren't going to run any plays for him. Question is why? Donovan allows journeymen like THT to come in and do whatever the hell he wants but not the team's lottery pick and so called "future"?.
It makes no sense. But even with that Williams still has to be a player at some point and go get it for himself.
And he rarely shows that he has that level of aggressiveness or "dog" in his game

Again, rebounding is something he can control. He has no interest in it. The thought never comes into his mind.


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 Post subject: Re: Patrick Williams
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Nardi wrote:
The Doctor Of Style wrote:
RFDC wrote:
The Doctor Of Style wrote:
RFDC wrote:
KDdidit wrote:
At this point I don't know if he even had potential. He didn't start his one year in college. He was drafted 4th on potential potential.

Yeah maybe potential isn't the right word.

But he had all the tools to be a really good player. It just didn't work out. He does not have that drive in him to be good. I do agree that Billy D did not do him any favors.


He has game but to be great you have to be a little selfish sometimes. He passes up too many shots and isn't in attack mode all that often

He also might be a bit of a "tweener" offensively. We will never know because Small Ball Billy has always insisted on using him as a stretch four.


The rebounding thing is what has always got me. He should be getting way more rebs a game. And yet he just doesn't. He goes through the motions

.
His rebounding for a Small Forward (which is his natural position) are about league average.

The biggest problem for me is that Donovan never puts him position to do anything.

Game after game Sky King proclaims that aren't going to run any plays for him. Question is why? Donovan allows journeymen like THT to come in and do whatever the hell he wants but not the team's lottery pick and so called "future"?.
It makes no sense. But even with that Williams still has to be a player at some point and go get it for himself.
And he rarely shows that he has that level of aggressiveness or "dog" in his game

Again, rebounding is something he can control. He has no interest in it. The thought never comes into his mind.


He has some games where he goes to the glass and some when he does not. And again as SFs goes his numbers are league average or slightly below that. Which is hardly as bad as it is portrayed.
For me you cannot continue to avg the same pedestrian 10 ppg that you have avg every season of your career and ever think of being that dude. There are some reasons for that aside from him, but he still should have upped his avg by now from that.

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 Post subject: Re: Patrick Williams
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Nardi wrote:
The Doctor Of Style wrote:
RFDC wrote:
The Doctor Of Style wrote:
RFDC wrote:
KDdidit wrote:
At this point I don't know if he even had potential. He didn't start his one year in college. He was drafted 4th on potential potential.

Yeah maybe potential isn't the right word.

But he had all the tools to be a really good player. It just didn't work out. He does not have that drive in him to be good. I do agree that Billy D did not do him any favors.


He has game but to be great you have to be a little selfish sometimes. He passes up too many shots and isn't in attack mode all that often

He also might be a bit of a "tweener" offensively. We will never know because Small Ball Billy has always insisted on using him as a stretch four.


The rebounding thing is what has always got me. He should be getting way more rebs a game. And yet he just doesn't. He goes through the motions

.
His rebounding for a Small Forward (which is his natural position) are about league average.

The biggest problem for me is that Donovan never puts him position to do anything.

Game after game Sky King proclaims that aren't going to run any plays for him. Question is why? Donovan allows journeymen like THT to come in and do whatever the hell he wants but not the team's lottery pick and so called "future"?.
It makes no sense. But even with that Williams still has to be a player at some point and go get it for himself.
And he rarely shows that he has that level of aggressiveness or "dog" in his game

Again, rebounding is something he can control. He has no interest in it. The thought never comes into his mind.


Exactly. It is an effort thing. A couple years ago on our girls basketball team we had a 6'1 post girl. She should have averaged 8 or more rebounds a game. But she didn't come close to that. She did not want the ball. She would stand and watch other girls go get it. Our team was led in rebounding by a 5'6 guard who wanted the ball. It is the same with PAW.

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 Post subject: Re: Patrick Williams
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Never understood why the Bulls gave a 5 years, $90M deal to a bad player all based on the idea that he would suddenly blossom.

He stinks. He played well against Denver. Great. Is this likely to continue? No.

Another bad contract on the books for another 4.5 seasons.


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 Post subject: Re: Patrick Williams
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He averages 26 minutes per game and has 20 triple singles this year in 37 games played.

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He ain't Kawhi but he is better than he has shown. Billy Donovan is a terrible coach. Absolutely terrible. Started 4 guards last night and ONLY got back into the game and took the lead after he went Big with the Paw and Matas in the game as the 3 and 4. He sucks at developing young players. Claims he is going to "go young" yet plays his lottery pick about 10 minutes a night.

And I say this as someone that agrees with his decision to bench the Paw. You have to after how bad he has played this season. But Billy D has never used the kid correctly. He runs no plays for him (even as a building block player allegedly) and insists on playing him at the 4 even as it's clear that he is a,3.
If you're going to bench then start Matas, but because he is married to "small ball" he won't.

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 Post subject: Re: Patrick Williams
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I don't think Tiin Man will ever find a heart. That said, it's a steal if he becomes whatever LTG thinks he can be.


It is a steal.

Yep, he is stealing money :lol:

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Hawg Ass wrote:
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I don't think Tiin Man will ever find a heart. That said, it's a steal if he becomes whatever LTG thinks he can be.


It is a steal.

Yep, he is stealing money :lol:


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 Post subject: Re: Patrick Williams
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How do you never "use a kid correctly" that, um sucks? As they say just asking questions.


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How do you never "use a kid correctly" that, um sucks? As they say just asking questions.


Kid has a skill set but you wouldn't know it because you don't actually watch games

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The Doctor Of Style wrote:
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How do you never "use a kid correctly" that, um sucks? As they say just asking questions.


Kid has a skill set but you wouldn't know it because you don't actually watch games


I watched the Denver game, for real.


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Caller Bob wrote:
The Doctor Of Style wrote:
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How do you never "use a kid correctly" that, um sucks? As they say just asking questions.


Kid has a skill set but you wouldn't know it because you don't actually watch games


I watched the Denver game, for real.


Then you know that he played well. For Real

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 Post subject: Re: Patrick Williams
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The Doctor Of Style wrote:
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The Doctor Of Style wrote:
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How do you never "use a kid correctly" that, um sucks? As they say just asking questions.


Kid has a skill set but you wouldn't know it because you don't actually watch games


I watched the Denver game, for real.


Then you know that he played well. For Real

Wow, 11 & 8. They should sign PAW to another extension

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The Doctor Of Style wrote:
Caller Bob wrote:
The Doctor Of Style wrote:
Caller Bob wrote:
How do you never "use a kid correctly" that, um sucks? As they say just asking questions.


Kid has a skill set but you wouldn't know it because you don't actually watch games


I watched the Denver game, for real.


Then you know that he played well. For Real


They mounted their comeback with his ass on the bench


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Douchebag wrote:
The Doctor Of Style wrote:
Caller Bob wrote:
The Doctor Of Style wrote:
Caller Bob wrote:
How do you never "use a kid correctly" that, um sucks? As they say just asking questions.


Kid has a skill set but you wouldn't know it because you don't actually watch games


I watched the Denver game, for real.


Then you know that he played well. For Real

Wow, 11 & 8. They should sign PAW to another extension


Guy gave Caleb 6 games to call him a failure and still roots for Patrick Williams after 250 games of averaging triple singles. Can't make this shit up.

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Juiced wrote:
Douchebag wrote:
The Doctor Of Style wrote:
Caller Bob wrote:
The Doctor Of Style wrote:
Caller Bob wrote:
How do you never "use a kid correctly" that, um sucks? As they say just asking questions.


Kid has a skill set but you wouldn't know it because you don't actually watch games


I watched the Denver game, for real.


Then you know that he played well. For Real

Wow, 11 & 8. They should sign PAW to another extension


Guy gave Caleb 6 games to call him a failure and still roots for Patrick Williams after 250 games of averaging triple singles. Can't make this shit up.

You just made up the part about him avg "triple singles"

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Caller Bob wrote:
The Doctor Of Style wrote:
Caller Bob wrote:
The Doctor Of Style wrote:
Caller Bob wrote:
How do you never "use a kid correctly" that, um sucks? As they say just asking questions.


Kid has a skill set but you wouldn't know it because you don't actually watch games


I watched the Denver game, for real.


Then you know that he played well. For Real


They mounted their comeback with his ass on the bench


You can learn a lot from a Caller Bob His +- for the game was +16. :lol: :lol:

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Bronny would put up better numbers than that bum PAW if he got those kinda minutes.


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Juiced wrote:
Douchebag wrote:
The Doctor Of Style wrote:
Caller Bob wrote:
The Doctor Of Style wrote:
Caller Bob wrote:
How do you never "use a kid correctly" that, um sucks? As they say just asking questions.


Kid has a skill set but you wouldn't know it because you don't actually watch games


I watched the Denver game, for real.


Then you know that he played well. For Real

Wow, 11 & 8. They should sign PAW to another extension


Guy gave Caleb 6 games to call him a failure and still roots for Patrick Williams after 250 games of averaging triple singles. Can't make this shit up.


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You just made up the part about him avg "triple singles"



patrick williams career stats
OR DR REB AST BLK STL PF TO PTS
0.9 3.2 4.1 1.4 0.7 0.9 1.7 1.3 9.6

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Juiced wrote:
patrick williams career stats
OR DR REB AST BLK STL PF TO PTS
0.9 3.2 4.1 1.4 0.7 0.9 1.7 1.3 9.6


9.6 is rounded to 10 in case ya didn't know. And If Patrick Williams was ever allowed to play with the level of freedom that bum ass Caleb has been allowed to play with he'd be on his way to the Hall Of Fame. Billy Donovan is a horrible coach and even worse evaluator/developer of talent. Though in these parts he does have his supporters around these parts

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Doesn't count if Williams starts scoring when the Bulls are already down by 10 points.


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Thank you for the garbage time comment. I'm in the middle of garbage time.....in my life! I can't tell you how many useless yards and easy layups I've been accumulating.


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Doesn't count if Williams starts scoring when the Bulls are already down by 10 points.


It always seems to whenever Coby White does it. He's the Bulls version of Caleb Williams

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