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PostPosted: Wed Jan 21, 2009 11:03 am 
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With the Way he is being used in Phoenix then maybe its time for Pax to strike--

When Garnett was available the thought was that he was only going to send him to Boston to help his Boy Ainge,Well Maybe Kerr can do that for Paxson but actually get players back that can help his team and stay competitive.
If Paxson called Kerr and said---

Pax----Hey Steve how you doing?
Kerr--Great John,Weathers Great-
Pax--Ok lets talk Amar'e
Kerr--------DEEP BREATH--OK
Pax--I'll give you Kirk Hinrich to replace Nash and be a Great Backup in the West for Now,,,Deng With Grant Hill and the end of the Line here's his replacement,Tryus Thomas or Noah you pick one,hell if you want Gordon he's yours,tell me what you think??
Kerr--Hinrich,Deng,Thomas and maybe Gordon--I'll throw in Barbosa to offset salary-Done
Pax--Thanks Steve
Kerr--No thank you John.

See that was easy---- :alien:

Stoudemire and Rose now you can do damage in the east---

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PostPosted: Wed Jan 21, 2009 11:07 am 
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Kerr would be confined to the insane asylum if he made that deal. Nice dream though...

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PostPosted: Wed Jan 21, 2009 11:11 am 
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City of Fools wrote:
Kerr would be confined to the insane asylum if he made that deal. Nice dream though...



Thats my point-Kerr go's against the grain--if things dont turn around Amar'es gone in 2010-maybe you re-stock now was my point--

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OHH, you're just screwin' with our emotions! I'd love to see it, but D-Rose's unsuccessful supporting cast probably won't entice Kerr to do the deal


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PostPosted: Wed Jan 21, 2009 11:22 am 
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Saw this on SI.com Today--someone is thinking like myself,,great minds think alike??

Steve Kerr isn't going to like this, but he needs to make another trade. Maybe a lot of trades.

The Suns' general manager extended his neck already by trading for Shaquille O'Neal, and replacing coach Mike D'Antoni with Terry Porter, and acquiring Jason Richardson at the expense of Boris Diaw and Steve Nash's close friend Raja Bell. But Kerr can't stop there, because the Suns remain a team of gaudy parts that form an inefficient engine. Altogether, they produce too little energy and too much exhaust.

All of the talk before their game Monday night in Boston was of how they appeared to be coming together and finding a medium style that benefited the strengths of both Nash and Shaq. The Suns had scored 100 points or more in the last 10 games, and their core stars looked rejuvenated and promising in each other's company.

And then 10 minutes into the first quarter, the Celtics had them down 30-13. It was 56-24 more than three minutes before intermission. Never in the half did the Suns total more field goals than turnovers.

With thanks to the informed counsel I received around the Suns' locker room after the game, here is their problem: They spend too much effort on compromise and not enough on sacrifice, and meanwhile the team suffers. The Suns are a respectable 23-16 overall, but they are a revealing 6-10 against their rival eight playoff contenders in the West. How can a team of Nash, Shaq, Amaré Stoudemire, Grant Hill, Jason Richardson and Leandro Barbosa -- each a celebrated name unto himself -- be so ineffectual as a group? The answer, as brought to my attention by one Suns insider after the game, can be found in the example of the team that had just finished kicking them up and down the floor.

The Celtics are a lot like the Suns. Kevin Garnett, Paul Pierce and Ray Allen were accomplished stars who -- like Nash, Stoudemire and Hill -- had never starred for accomplished teams. They had never reached an NBA Finals. The Celtics won their championship by focusing not on their needs as individuals but on the needs of the team. They became obsessed with making the extra pass and rotating to cover for each other defensively.

"I had a group of guys that were very willing to be coached and weren't stuck on who they were,'' Celtics coach Doc Rivers said. "I hear guys say they want to win it, but I think what they're really saying is, 'I want to win it as long as I can keep doing what I do.' I had three stars who said they wanted to win and they would change to do it. I don't think you get that a lot.''

The Suns have been trying to change. Shaq has accepted a lesser role, Nash's scoring is down (to 14.4 points) and Hill has been "an All-NBA defender,'' according to Kerr. But do they really believe deep down that they can make it work? Are they truly married to the mission? They still don't blend as a team, and a 104-87 collapse against Boston demonstrates that they aren't committed to the fine details that separate contenders like the Celtics and Spurs from all of the pretenders who never can quite understand the difference between winning and losing.

Let me say that I tend to be extremely conservative when it comes to slamming the door on contenders. My instinct is to not rule out the chances of any team as talented as these Suns with a half-season still to play. But we've all seen the commitment the Spurs and Celtics have made, and the team-first discipline the Lakers, Cavaliers and Magic are creating -- and these Suns don't look like they have that kind of commitment or discipline in them.

I'm not questioning their heart -- Shaq has won four championships and Nash wants to win badly -- but I doubt their functionality as a group. It doesn't matter that they were concluding a back-to-back or playing for the fourth time in five days; a championship team would have embraced the challenge of playing in Boston against the Celtics. What does the Suns' reaction say about them?

They face three options that I can see.

• No. 1: Look for their version of Chauncey Billups. The Nuggets were trying to create a more disciplined approach, but it didn't come together until they traded a finisher (Allen Iverson) for a creator (Billups). One option Kerr may consider is packaging Stoudemire for a lesser frontcourt star, a Luis Scola type. Would Miami be interested in Stoudemire for Udonis Haslem and other pieces? (Andrei Kirilenko is another frontcourt defender who could help glue a lot of the holes in Phoenix, but it's hard to see Jerry Sloan embracing Stoudemire.)

• No. 2: Wait until 2010. Stoudemire can become a free agent that summer, when the contracts of Nash and Shaq also expire to create max cap space. In the meantime, however, Nash and Shaq (and maybe Hill) could grow frustrated that their biological clocks are ticking down when they could be contributing to a championship contender.

• No. 3: Start over. This is a radical plan, and I don't envision it happening anytime soon. But if you're going to rebuild the team anyway, would you rather do it now or later? Especially when Nash and Shaq are playing at a high level?

Nash could fit with any number of contenders while also coming off the cap in 2010. And I don't agree that Shaq is untradable, especially now that he's talking about extending his career. If he plays through the season at this rate, he'll enter the summer as a championship center putting up strong numbers with a $21 million expiring contract. He and Nash will have value in every realm, including the box office.

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What about keeping the core of Amare and Richardson and try and trade Nash & Shaq? Both could obviously help a contending team or a team on the brink and both have value if their deals expire in 2010


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Bagels wrote:
What about keeping the core of Amare and Richardson and try and trade Nash & Shaq? Both could obviously help a contending team or a team on the brink and both have value if their deals expire in 2010


All those guys need the BALL ---Plus if Amare is unhappy he will split that locker-room--Shaq needs the ball---J-Rich needs it,Nash has it,plus i dont think Porter and Amare have it it off,--plus i would like to see Pax make a MAJOR move..

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Bagels wrote:
What about keeping the core of Amare and Richardson and try and trade Nash & Shaq? Both could obviously help a contending team or a team on the brink and both have value if their deals expire in 2010

see, that would be too logical...

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Amare Stoudemire has reportedly been placed on the trading block as the February 19 deadline approaches.

It is believed that the Suns would attempt to trade Stoudemire to the Eastern Conference, possibly to Toronto and New York, but nothing is concrete at this point. Regardless of if or where he gets traded, Stoudemire's value wouldn't change dramatically, though a change of scenery and some additional motivation could give him the additional boost his owners have been waiting for.

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Amare and Rose...building around that does not sound bad at all.


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ChgoSportsFreak wrote:
Amare and Rose...building around that does not sound bad at all.

Yeah, that works for me. I volunteer to drive any of the Bulls players to the airport, if necessary.

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PostPosted: Fri Feb 06, 2009 1:30 pm 
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ChgoSportsFreak wrote:
Amare and Rose...building around that does not sound bad at all.

Yeah, that works for me. I volunteer to drive any of the Bulls players to the airport, if necessary.


Even future perennial all-star Luol Deng?

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ChgoSportsFreak wrote:
Amare and Rose...building around that does not sound bad at all.
That would be a nice foundation to build around, but I'll believe it when GM John Paxson gets the green light from Uncle Jerry, SportsFreak. First of all, would an Amar'e Stoudamire deal mean the Bulls end up paying a luxury tax? Uncle Jerry's refusal to pay a luxury tax cost the Bulls Pau Gasol, who's now doing very well with the Lakers. Memphis Grizzlies' President Michael Heisley ratted on Reinsdorf in the Memphis Commercial-Appeal after they made the deal with Los Angeles instead of Chicago. Second, who would the Bulls want to give the Suns in return for Stoudamire? You can't get a six pack of Budweiser for Larry Hughes! Drew Gooden's been out with the groin & ankles for about 2 weeks now, and I don't think you want to deal a guy who's injured & possibly damaged goods. The one guy who does have ANY trade value is Ben Gordon. I have very little confidence in Pax, and especially the boss himself to approve this kind of move & not pay a possible luxury tax.


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