Were you a big Damon Bailey supporter too?

As long as he has a better career than John-Boy and Jim-Bob.

And you call yourself a basketball fan?


Hansborough a 12 and 10 guy? He will be buried so far on the bench he will be lucky to get 12 and 10 over the course of a month.

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I reiterate, Nas is very desirous that a white basketball player do well.

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If only the Bulls could have traded for Adam Morrison.

The same could have been said about Adam Morrison.

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I dont know, I think this has "Michael Beasley will be dominant his rookie year and could play Center" and "Rex Grossman will win the Super Bowl" written all over it.

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Completely agree. Nas has been way off before, and this is another example of that.

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And Beasley.

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Thabo's an NU fan? I thought he went to a Swiss school.

Everybody on this board has incorrectly assessed talent at one point or another. Nas may have been wrong about Beasley, but he was right about Brandon Roy when nobody else around here was talking about him.

You were celebrating the great potential of the Bulls only a few short months ago. A little over a half season passes and you want the whole team traded. Think you might have been a little off on your analysis, too?

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Care to explain where I was celebrating the great potential of this Bulls team? I still think Tyrus can be very good, and Rose will be very good.

Also I wasnt around when Roy was drafted but liked him alot at the time, as did many basketball analysts. Correct me if Im wrong, but I doubt too many NBA fans were on the board back when he was drafted, as there arent too many on here now. So if the few that were here didnt like him for one reason, that could easily qualify as "nobody else around here was talking about him."

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Actually I dont recall saying that. I did think Chandler would continue to improve but I intially liked the Ben Wallace signing although I knew we overpaid for him. I felt like we were close and would be able to package some of our young players for one more big name and make a run. I didnt realize Ben was as washed up as he was and how much of a pussy Pax was. Also dont forget I was right there with you calling to get Kobe at almost any price.

And dont act like me liking Roy was that out of the oridnary. As I said, many basketball people liked him alot and thought he would be a future all star. I didnt mind drafting Tyrus because I thought he had better upside and we had a good, deep team where he could develop, but I thought Roy was going to be really good. Im pretty sure alot of people did.

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Thats kinda my point. Only two regulars when it came to talking NBAl. And yes, a few people doubted him, but its fair to say more liked him than didnt, and probably by a wide margin. Many analysts were critical of Minnesota for fucking up the Foye/Roy situation.

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That may be your point, but it's hardly relevant (and I actually don't think it's even accurate given the extensive debate that took place here regarding the 2006 draft). The fact, however, is that you continue to minimize instances where Nas has been proven correct, but you endlessly magnify his errant assessments. That's kind of revealing, don't you think?

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hm. i always thought roy would be a star.

Wasn't Roy the first guard selected (6th overall)? That's not exactly someone who people were overlooking. I seem to remember that scouts referred to him as the most NBA ready of the players coming out. He may have turned out to be better than predicted but not exactly out of nowhere.

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You sure do have a penchant for exageration. I endlessly magnify his errant assessments? Nas knows I respect his opinion on all issues, especially basketball. I was just busting his chops a little. Not quite sure where you're coming from here, but thats alright, keep throwing shit against a wall like me celebrating the great potential of this Bulls team(which I never have) My only point, which zippy just stated also, was that Roy was liked by alot of people, hence being a top pick in the draft, so it wouldnt be hard to believe that someone who clearly follows the NBA as much as anyone on this board liked him also. And I already admitted to being wrong on the Ben Wallace signing and Im sure there were plenty of other times. I dont talk basketball to try to impress anyone around here. And also I dont think I endlessly point out when Nas was wrong. I just think his Hansborough love is a bit over the top.

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Your point is accurate but not necessarily relevant. Many NBA commentators liked Roy, but not for the Bulls, whose greatest need was thought to be inside since they were theoretically set at guard with Hinrich and Gordon. To his credit, Nas rejected this position, advocated for the selection of Roy, and also argued against pursuing Wallace.

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I think your comments in this thread show that my point isn't much of an exaggeration. As for your position on the Bulls, are you suggesting that your view of the team's nucleus hasn't radically shifted since the end of last season? Weren't you opposed to trading the team away (except Rose) because of the potential of players like Deng, Thabo, Thomas and Noah, but advocate doing so now?

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I dont see the basis for this comment. I think you clearly havent followed my posts on basketball if you think I just endlessly try to point out when Nas is wrong, and I dont think I have done that in this thread.

Also it doesnt make alot of sense to talk about trading or not trading the whole team away. Ive said all along noone on this team is untouchable, and obviously still fell that way except Rose. I was one of the ones saying Id do anything to get Kobe. My view on this team has shifted, but not much since last season. Two years ago I thought Gordon could develop into a better overall player but its obvious by now hes just a gunner. Kirk has declined. Luol has failed to show significant progress. So no, my view hasnt radically shifted as you suggest, but it has changed, as only an idiot would keep a static opinion when players values clearly change alot over the course of 1-2 seasons.

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You don't see the basis for my comment? Have you read anything you wrote in this thread? Did you even know that Nas argued the Bulls should select Roy in the draft before I mentioned this fact? It doesn't seem like it. Your uninformed commentary is pretty revealing of your agenda in this thread, don't you think?

As for your comment on the Bulls, you're equivocating. Your assessment of the team's nucleus wasn't based on actual value--there's no evidence it ever had any "real" value anyway--but what you believed was its potential value. A few months ago you seemed to believe the team had substantial potential, but now you don't. That's a radical shift given that NBA potential is usually realized over the course of several years, not half a season.

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Yes I knew Nas advocated drafting Roy in the 2006 draft as he has mentioned in several times in our basketball conversations. I think your agenda is a little more revealing. I havent had one, but its clear your only purpose for being involved in this thread is to try to attack my position, using poor assumptions and exagerations, which is fine. Also once again, you're just making shit up. Ive never said the team had substantial potential and think they suck now. I never said at the end of last season that I really liked this team at all ever. I said BEFORE last season that I did, as I had no reason to expect the huge dropoff from Kirk, Luol, etc. I also liked the Tyrus pick, as I have said, and having swept Miami the year before in the playoffs I thought we were close. I was way off. At the end of last season I was pretty upset with the team, as were many fans. So again, get your facts straight. But just to clarify this one last time, although Im sure you will continue to misconstrue it, I dont think everyone on this team is unsalvageable and sucks. Overall I said noone is untouchable, except Rose. This was more or less the same opinion I held six months ago. I think Tyrus can be a very good player. I think Noah can be an ok starter. I think Ben Gordon is a terrific scorer with no other discernible skills who is bound to get overpaid. Kirk is a decent all around guard, but is overpaid. I wouldnt pay $10million/year for what I consider a third guard. Im not sure what to think on Luol, as I havent seen much of him this season and he was hurt alot last year. He might turn out to be decent and make his contract a bargain one. I wouldnt mind keeping him, but I'd trade him for sure for the right price. I think the biggest problem has been coaching. These players arent developing and Boylan was a horrible coach and Vinny doesnt seem to be much better really. So I think the team still has potential in the sense that they should be better than they have been. I think you see some of that in some of the wins we have had over good teams this year. I just think coaching should be the biggest issue this offseason, and then roster management.

Also you dont seem to have much knowledge when it comes to just how dramatically perceived value changes in just a few short months. Its not directly proportional to talent or realized potential. Just look at players like Greg Oden. How much has his value changed over the past 12 months? How bout Rondo? How bout a player like Jameer Nelson? How about Amare? A year ago Im sure there were going to be much better offers for him instead of the Gooden/Tyrus/#1 pick being the best package any team can come up with according to Chad Ford and a couple other NBA insiders. As Simmons illuded to in his column, teams are realize how bad he is defensively and that he doesnt like playing with other frontcourt players and are even questioning his commitment. These players values have shifted pretty dramatically over the course of the last 12 months. I would have more examples but Im short on time right now and as Ive repeatedly said, I havent been able to follow the league very much this season.

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