On to Plan B

HOVA · **Posted:** Wed Jul 07, 2010 11:50 am

Phil McCracken wrote:

Woodridge Ryan wrote:

Over the last 30 years, how many NBA titles have been won by a team whose premier player is a PG and they have no other premier players on their team?

Right now, even with who it out there, I don't consider anybody else worthy of being called a premier player in the league that's a free agent or already on this Bulls team other than Rose's continued growth.

Right now even if the Bulls add someone like Boozer their upside is they can be like the Jazz with Deron Williams the past few years. Good enough to have a solid regular season and get in the playoffs only to get their asses kicked by a team with some superstars. The Bulls took a shot and missed. Bring on Ron Mercer.

The Jazz didn't have the same depth the Bulls will have. The Bulls will get at the very least 3 really good players to go with what they already have. They'll be better than the Jazz.

Tall Midget · **Posted:** Wed Jul 07, 2010 11:58 am

HOVA wrote:

Woodridge Ryan wrote:

Over the last 30 years, how many NBA titles have been won by a team whose premier player is a PG and they have no other premier players on their team?

Right now, even with who it out there, I don't consider anybody else worthy of being called a premier player in the league that's a free agent or already on this Bulls team other than Rose's continued growth.

80's Pistons
80's Lakers
00's Pistons

Kareem was definitely a top player for the first few Lakers championships.

HOVA · **Posted:** Wed Jul 07, 2010 12:14 pm

Late 80's Kareem was good but he wasn't considered a premier player.

HOVA · **Posted:** Wed Jul 07, 2010 12:15 pm

Also the league is different now. It's become a PG league.

KDdidit · **Posted:** Wed Jul 07, 2010 2:31 pm

Bulls need to plan for a few years down the road. I wouldn't sign anyone over 28 long term, including Boozer. They need to go the OKC city route and build around the star with guys that will mature around Rose, not be too old to contribute when Rose is in his prime and waste cap space when the Bulls need to max out Rose and pay Noah.

HOVA · **Posted:** Wed Jul 07, 2010 2:38 pm

KDdidit wrote:

Bulls need to plan for a few years down the road. I wouldn't sign anyone over 28 long term, including Boozer. They need to go the OKC city route and build around the star with guys that will mature around Rose, not be too old to contribute when Rose is in his prime and waste cap space when the Bulls need to max out Rose and pay Noah.

Me either. That's why I like Lee. Rose probably needs a few more years to reach his full potential. I just don't trust Boozer.

hackwilson's ribbies · **Posted:** Wed Jul 07, 2010 3:06 pm

HOVA wrote:

KDdidit wrote:

Bulls need to plan for a few years down the road. I wouldn't sign anyone over 28 long term, including Boozer. They need to go the OKC city route and build around the star with guys that will mature around Rose, not be too old to contribute when Rose is in his prime and waste cap space when the Bulls need to max out Rose and pay Noah.

Me either. That's why I like Lee. Rose probably needs a few more years to reach his full potential. I just don't trust Boozer.

I dunno, we're only talking like 2 years difference between Lee and Boozer. Boozer has missed some time in a couple of seasons, but he's played almost all of the games in every other season in his career. Lee really just started to get it together the last couple of years, so, unless the Bulls get him ALOT cheaper than Boozer (which I'm not so sure of), then we may as well as make a run at Carlos...

Apologist · **Posted:** Wed Jul 07, 2010 3:08 pm

Woodridge Ryan wrote:

Apologist wrote:

I'm actually fine with it. I can't stand LBJ and would have had a hard time rooting for him as a Bull.

Ok Nas.

I'm not sure what you are insinuating, but I said the same thing way back in early May.

http://www.score670.com/phpBB/viewtopic.php?f=34&t=45820&p=779465#p779465

HOVA · **Posted:** Wed Jul 07, 2010 3:09 pm

You can probably get him for about 5 years and $55M. Boozer will cost you $80M over 5 years.

hackwilson's ribbies · **Posted:** Wed Jul 07, 2010 3:14 pm

HOVA wrote:

You can probably get him for about 5 years and $55M. Boozer will cost you $80M over 5 years.

Well, if that's accurate, then I stand corrected. I just hope that another of the have-not teams out there doesn't go and offer something ridiculous and drive up Lee's asking price higher than that

HOVA · **Posted:** Wed Jul 07, 2010 7:20 pm

We'll have to see what Lee gets to see if I nailed it.

Woodridge Ryan · **Posted:** Wed Jul 07, 2010 10:33 pm

Tall Midget wrote:

HOVA wrote:

Woodridge Ryan wrote:

Over the last 30 years, how many NBA titles have been won by a team whose premier player is a PG and they have no other premier players on their team?

Right now, even with who it out there, I don't consider anybody else worthy of being called a premier player in the league that's a free agent or already on this Bulls team other than Rose's continued growth.

80's Pistons
80's Lakers
00's Pistons

Kareem was definitely a top player for the first few Lakers championships.

Kareem was definitely a premier player.

Dennis Rodman was a premier player in the league in 89-90 when the Pistons won titles.

Hate to tell you, but Ben Wallace was a premier player the year they won an NBA title.

So I'm not buying your counter Nas, Hova, whoever the hell you are.

RFDC · **Joined:** Sun May 11, 2008 4:11 pm **Posts:** 57239

WR come on man, you are saying that Rodman and Wallace were the premier players on the Piston championship teams??? :lol:

HUGE stretch there.

HOVA · **Posted:** Wed Jul 07, 2010 10:39 pm

RFDC wrote:

WR come on man, you are saying that Rodman and Wallace were the premier players on the Piston championship teams??? :lol:

HUGE stretch there.

That were really good players just like Kareem when the Lakers won their last title in the 80's. Ben had start his downward trend that year IIRC.

RFDC · **Joined:** Sun May 11, 2008 4:11 pm **Posts:** 57239

Really good players? Yes.

The premier players on the team? No.

Isiah and Billups were that player, both PGs.

Woodridge Ryan · **Posted:** Wed Jul 07, 2010 10:47 pm

They absolutely were premier players in the league the years the won a championship.

Go look up Dennis Rodman in those years. Anyone in the league would have died to have that kind of production. He also was one of FIVE, YES FIVE FREAKING PLAYERS, that were on the All NBA First team. Dennis Rodman absolutely was a premier player. Do your homework.

I might be willing to concede on Jabaar on the last Laker title. As far as I am concerned, the Bulls don't have a Kareem on their team in his latter years paired with the "premier player" D Rose.

- On a side note, fuck the board for not ever working properly.

RFDC · **Joined:** Sun May 11, 2008 4:11 pm **Posts:** 57239

Rodman was a premier player during that time, but he was not better than Isiah. He was THE man on that team.

Woodridge Ryan · **Posted:** Wed Jul 07, 2010 10:58 pm

Never said Isiah wasn't a premier player.

More on Rodman during the Title years to further my case:

All NBA First Team in 88-89. (actually Isiah was never in the any three of those teams either year - yes, his position had more talent)

NBA Defensive Player of the Year during the second title season (this, in my opinion would make you a premier player. You were just voted the best fucking defensive player in the year out of the entire NBA roster of talent. case closed already)

Played every game both of those years.

Finished at least top 6 during both title seasons in offensive rebounding.

First in Off Rebounding percentage both seasons

Top 3 in Total Rebounding percentage both seasons

While not an offensive juggernaut, was always efficient in finishing his plays with the best rated "effective FG %."

To me, this would descrive one of the premier players in the league at that time. If not, I must be a fucking idiot.

Woodridge Ryan · **Posted:** Wed Jul 07, 2010 11:00 pm

I never once said Rodman was the player. My point if you read this whole thread was for your only premier player on your team to be a PG will not cut it. There has not been a team in the league that has put all their eggs in that one basket to win them a title. Isiah was not infinitely better than everyone else at his position through out the league. He wasn't even the best during that time.

RFDC · **Joined:** Sun May 11, 2008 4:11 pm **Posts:** 57239

ok fair enough.

Woodridge Ryan · **Posted:** Wed Jul 07, 2010 11:08 pm

I need HOVA to argue with me and give me his unquestionable words on the NBA. :twisted:

RFDC · **Joined:** Sun May 11, 2008 4:11 pm **Posts:** 57239

HOVA wrote:

We'll have to see what Lee gets to see if I nailed it.

Lee is getting 80 mil over 6 yrs with the Warriors.

I think the Bulls made the right choice. Lee is not worth that much.

HOVA · **Posted:** Thu Jul 08, 2010 10:30 pm

Actually that's about right. Boozer was about a $13M a year player and he got $15M. Lee was about an $11M a year player and he got $13M. Lee is 2 years younger and put up better numbers last season. Obviously Boozer has the better name recognition.

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