I'm happy with the outcome. I hope we get Aldridge. Nas, your sure Toronto won't take him. We got the 2nd pick and that is what are odds were. Portland got screwed.

I would greatly prefer they go with Aldridge over Thomas. Thomas has bust written all over him to me. I dont have much to base that on, just personal preference.

Trade this pick for a vet. There is no way Paxson is gonna just draft another child when this team is built for the playoffs right now.

The Bulls will use this pick for a vet, there is no way they draft another kid.

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If we keep the pick, let's take Roye. I don't want a project or and overrated big man like Thomas/Aldridge.

I would shop the pick to see what you could get. If no one blows you away, I want Aldridge in a Bulls uni.

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Nas, don't be too convinced that Toronto is taking Bargnani. I've read the same shit, and pre-draft talk is a period of heavy misinformation. I'm hoping they do, but there are no guarantees, plus there are a ton of pre-draft workouts and individual meet & greets still to be done.

By the way, Brandon Roy is not worthy of the 2nd pick in the draft. He is very much like Kirk Hinrich. A nice player, but not a guy that's going to dominate in any area of the game. Just because he mopped up a mediocre Illinois squad doesn't mean he will do the same at the next level. I like him as a solid role player, but if Pax wants him he should trade down.

Tyrus Thomas is all hype. Not saying he won't deliver, but he is the flavor of the month, not Aldridge. Scouts have been on to LaMarcus for some time now. In fact, he almost declared straight out of high school. Aldridge is the real deal, not a project. Just because you don't want another young player on the Bulls doesn't mean that LaMarcus isn't a smart choice at #2. I promise you, he is.

No kidding just because we failed with Curry and Chandler doesn't mean that all young players suck. Some do great things in their first year. Aldridge will be one of those guys.

If available Aldridge is the pick at #2.

The other news that interested me yesterday was hearing Leon Powe from Cal is coming out. I know he has had injuries and those will make his draft position fall. However, if he is healthy he is the best big man in the draft. If they could somehow get Powe and Aldridge, their inside issues would be ansewered. Then they could focus on the easier task of getting a big guard in free agency.

If I were Paxson, I'd be very interested in trading both Chandler and Gordon.

You obviously dont know a thing about the NBA, or the salary cap.


Name one team thats gonna take a contract like Chandlers? Which means giving up a BETTER player than chandler to off set the contract, which means taking a player who is over paid and very mediocre.

Tyson Chandler is untradeable. No team will take that contract, no team belives Chandler will become a more complete player, he is what he is, and no team will pay that kind of money for a one dimensional player.

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Poofer it is possible to trade Chandler. There are alot of slugs making 10 million. You take one that is in the last year of his contract. Beleive me, other teams still look at Tyson and think they can change him or at the very least they'll take his rebounding.

The Knicks are still in the league, right? With Isiah, all things are possible.

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Something tells me you are wrong. Four years from now someone might take on his contract for a year (ala Tim Thomas). No one is taking it on for 5 more years.

You have to just forget about the money Tyson is making and use him for what he is, a helpfull player off the bench.

There is not a single Bull I would not get rid of. That does not mean I dislike the players. There simply is not an untouchable talent on the team.

Room? I don’t know, Nas. They’re likely going to lose either Darius Songaila or Malik Allen. Even if they bring in both Harrington and Aldridge/Thomas, I still see plenty of minutes available for Tyson. Who else is going to be out there? Michael Sweetney? Luke Schenscher? Tyson is much more valuable than those guys. Despite his being overpayed, Chandler’s contract will not truly hurt them until next offseason when Deng, Gordon, and Nocioni are up for new deals. And technically, only Nocioni will be an expiring contract. Deng & Gordon would be under club option terms and move into the restricted FA category.

Come on guys, you’ve been reading too much Sam Smith. Stop that. It kills brain cells. I realize there are a few other serviceable bigs that may be available, but haven’t we learned by now that you cannot count on free agents to arrive until they’ve actually signed? Besides, don’t be shocked to see Joel Przybilla get a very similar contract to what Tyson already has. They’re very similar players (built differently, but fill the same role) and there is nothing quite like free agency when it comes to bloated contracts and overpaying players. If you think you’re getting Przybilla for $5 million a year, think again. Somebody is going to give Songaila that much this summer, and Przybilla is a much more valuable player. Nazr Mohammad, sure I’m interested, but he isn’t the difference maker that’s going to propel you to the conference finals. He’s just another nice role player, another piece of the puzzle. Drew Gooden & Nene Hilario, restricted free agents, expect Cleveland & Denver to ask for draft picks in exchange for those guys on a sign & trade. And again, they are just pieces, not guys that you can build a championship around.

The team is definitely going to look different next year, but I think the guys that will be departing will be vets like Pargo, Piatkowski, Othella, and either Songaila or Allen. Unless we’re talking blockbuster Garnett type deals (see Sam Smith rule above), the youngsters probably aren’t going anywhere. Besides, right now this team is built to get to the playoffs, not to advance significantly in the playoffs. Trading half your team and your future draft picks for Garnett is not going to get you past Detroit. In 2 years time, this team as currently constructed will enter its prime, just around the time when Shaq starts pondering his own record label and/or production company, and the Pistons will be in salary cap hell (Ben Wallace will get a big payday this offseason, and Chauncey Billups is due a boatload of cash the following offseason. They will not be able to keep that team together beyond 2007-2008. If they do, they’ll have the worst bench you’ve ever seen.). By the time the Bulls are serious title contenders, your biggest fear will be the Cleveland Cavaliers, definitely not the Heat and likely not the Pistons either.

Nobody would disagree with your top 3 Bulls. Gordon is a much better shooter then Crawford. Plus although Carawford is taller Gordon is stronger and can take a little more abuse when he drives then can Crawford.

And you obviously have a very poor understanding of what "market value" means. Just because you think he's overpayed doesn't mean there aren't 20 other guys in the league doing less and making more. Guys with big bloated contracts get traded every year. I’d list a bunch for you but it’s not really worth the effort on my end. And by the way, Nas has good basketball insight. Do a little poking around before you write a guy off based on 1 disagreement.

At some point both Nocioni and Deng deserve to play 35 minutes each. It sucks that they play the same position because I like them both. It would be so nice if Deng can become a 2 guard. I wouldn't discount that totally because he is young. He's ok at ball handling and could improve. He's pretty good off the dribble and has an OK shot. All of which could improve.

Is that Al Harrington or Othella Harrington? If it's Al, I'm not so sure there will be another veteran big on the way. And if it's Othella, I think we're going to have to revoke your membership.

Some of those guys don't count anyway, Nas. I don't include Deng & Nocioni when I'm counting our bigs. Those are perimeter players. Either way, Chandler is more important than Sweetney (plus, his role will be significantly diminished if we add 2 post scorers). Songaila has an asterisk in this argument as well because he is not a post player, offensively or defensively.

You are right, I don't know anything about the NBA. From the looks of it you don't either. Tyson is still young and a lot of people think he has a huge upside. There are a lot of teams that may be looking to go young. If they are going to trade away a big salary, they have to get one or two in return. If they got KG or Jermaine O'neal, who do you think would have to be included because of salary? Of course Chandler. I won’t bash you I will leave that to EG but don’t come to the board and try to pick a fight. Especially with me and basketball, you won’t win.[/quote]


IF there was a team that thought Chandler had any kind of upside, they would have tried to sign him last year. The Bulls were bidding against themselves. I know it, the NBA knows it. With the exception of the Knicks, there is no team that would take that kind of contract for a one dimensional player who has nothing to offer a team but rebounding in weekly spurs, where he is dominant against weaker rebounding teams, then dissapears against the stronger ones.

Now, in NBA2K, you just might be able to pull a trade getting a KG or Jermaine O'neal, but in the real world, the Bulls have nothing to offer.

Gordon, two first rounders, and Chandler for KG? Why would the Wolves do that? Where are they a better team without KG getting nothing but streaky players and two first rounders? Or is it they want to rebuild? And start their rebuilding around Ben Gordon,Chandler, and two question marks, and get rid of the face of their franchise by making the Bulls a true contender?

Yeah, true logic.............

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What?


A player who averaged 22 points and 13 rebounds is on the downside of his career? A guy who just turned 30 has only 2 or 3 good years left? And you think the Bulls would be "over spending" by giving away such hard wood marvels like Chandler and Gordon, and throwing in their two picks this year?


Yup, you have convinced me, you dont know a thing about the NBA.

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If this weak ass repetitive nonsense:



counts as being an authority on Chicago sports, then I'd submit there are several members on this board with an IQ of 180.

Prez, what do you think about Bargnani, sure he looks good in the videos I find online, but so does Dalibor Bagaric against the same talent. I might be willing to take that risk.

I keep going back and forth on who they should pick. Agree that 2 is too high for Roy. First I wanted Tyrus Thomas, but then thought he had Tyson written all over him, but I'm not as sold on Aldridge, and don't know what to think about Bargnani

I’ve been reading about him for a couple of years now and have seen a minimal amount of video on him. Unfortunately, I honestly can’t give you a thorough assessment. I really don’t know enough about the guy to say with any level of confidence that he is the real deal or just another flakey Euro prospect. I’ll be curious to see if he works out against some of the other forwards that are projected lottery picks. That should give us a better indication of where he’s at. A lot of the young Euro players spend their time in 18 & under leagues, which can make for very misleading stats and scouting.

Your absolutely right Nas. By saying he is in decline you are simply saying he is falling from the 2003 Garnett. The guy that got the number 1 seed in the West. I think he still has 5 more years of being a 20 and 10 guy but he will have to be a number two guy on a championship team.

Injury ready players? Hmmm, Chandler doesnt fall into this category? If you belive you could get a Bosh or O"Neal for the Bulls left overs, thats fine. If you think KG is on the decline in his career, that, Laughingly, is fine also.

You fail to comprehend that this team doesnt need any more young players, that this team needs veterans with experience for this group to make the next step. I fail to see the players on this Bulls team that can score 20 and 10 a year, and that a 20 and 10 player on the decline is better than every player on the Bulls roster.

But thank you, you have my my point that much more valid.

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I hate when people say we don't need young players. Everybody is scared of young guys because of Chandler and Curry. I'll take good young players any day of the week. Wade, James, and others have proved they are good and were good there rookie years. Everybody says this is a weak draft. But ya know what Wade was taken 4th(if we were one pick higher we would have got him instead of Kirk, just bad luck) and nobody predicted the great player he has become so I still think that Aldridge will be an immediate impact player.

Poofer, I have to borrow a line from The Big Lebowski here:

Are you employed, sir?

Surely you have something better to do than to show up here and start fights with anonymous strangers. Dissenting opinions are welcome, often encouraged. If I wanted to hear people agree all day, I’d listen to Mike North’s morning yesfest. But please, for the integrity of your authority on Chicago sports, try and do so in a semi-civil manner. Being the freshest douche on board is not something one should aspire to achieve.

Beardown, that draft was one of the best classes I've ever seen. You really shouldn't use that as the standard, it was much more of an exception. Also, not that it matters now, but Wade was taken 5th. The Bulls got Hinrich with the 7th pick. And by the way, Wade was no secret. I don't think there's an executive in the league that doubted he would be the shit. The only reason he wasn't picked higher is because the top 4 slots were absolutely loaded. Lebron, Darko (doh!, well maybe not, time will tell), Carmelo, and Bosh. And yes, I'm with you on Aldridge. Either way, I'm not worried about the #2 pick, even if LaMarcus is gone. I trust Pax's judgement. What concerns me, though, is what we'll have left to pick from when 16 rolls around.

Oh good looks like we have another possible Woodridge Ryan on our hands.

If you know anything about the NBA as both Nas and Prez told you, big dumb contracts are traded around all the time. Dont get so stuck on the fact that you would trade Tyson and scrubs for KG. Of course no one is dumb enough to do that, but if and when Tyson is traded, he will be for another underacheiving big man. Have you seen Antonio Davis moved around the league the last few years? Are you aware what kind of money he makes? How about other complete stiffs like Tim Thomas or ball hog pieces of shit like Marbury or Steve Francis. Anyone and everyone can be traded, if I mix in the correct amount of potential and I will trade you a pile of shit and you will gladly take it and smile.

Welcome to the board and try to not come on here and tell us how smart you are. It doesnt seem to go over to well with the majority.

Glad to know I haven't been forgotten by you