JLN: I've got some bad takes to share.
ltg: Hold my beer.

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Seriously, im not going to get into a pages long debate but the 72-10 team would murder the best Pistons team.

Nah Brickster. You'd be wrong. There was slippage in 90's NBA basketball. That was by far the worst era since I became a fan of the league.

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I'm not 100% sure that the best Bulls team couldn't have beaten some of the teams he mentioned, but what LTG is saying isn't outlandish. I'm sure they weren't going to run off a threepeat if they had to go against those teams.

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I thought I saw him walkin' up to The Hill
With Elon, Kash, and Don

Rodman plays on the Pistons in my scenario.

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I'm willing to accept that those teams may have put up a better fight but the Bulls could have beaten any of those teams.

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Take Rodman off that team and they don't go 72-10. Nothing wrong with having him on both teams (Bulls win in this scenario).

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Sherman remarked, "Well, Grant, we've had the devil's own day, haven't we?" Grant looked up. "Yes," he replied, followed by a puff. "Yes. Lick 'em tomorrow, though."

What if he plays on both? I think RPB is underestimating those Pistons teams. They were about as deep as any team in NBA history and Isiah was as good a finisher as Jordan when the chips were down.

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Can you tell me where he's gone?
I thought I saw him walkin' up to The Hill
With Elon, Kash, and Don

That '86 Celtics team would be the toughest matchup.

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Sherman remarked, "Well, Grant, we've had the devil's own day, haven't we?" Grant looked up. "Yes," he replied, followed by a puff. "Yes. Lick 'em tomorrow, though."

Why not take Jordan off the Bulls too?

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I'm just gonna say it... Jordan's not even in my top 10 all-time.

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Yep. The Pistons Easily could have had 4 rings. They had Boston the year Isiah made the bad inbounds pass to lose a game. They had the Lakers the year Isaiah Twisted his ankle in the Finals. Those were winnable series against All Time Great TEams. The Pistons were 2 Deep at every position it seemed

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Sure, they could have. But they may not have. The Bulls never beat anything like the best Bird Celtics or prime Magic Lakers in their championship runs. Probably the best team they beat was the Knicks with Stark and Mason.

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Anybody here seen my old friend Bobby?
Can you tell me where he's gone?
I thought I saw him walkin' up to The Hill
With Elon, Kash, and Don

The Bulls easily could have had 8 rings then.

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Sherman remarked, "Well, Grant, we've had the devil's own day, haven't we?" Grant looked up. "Yes," he replied, followed by a puff. "Yes. Lick 'em tomorrow, though."

Agreed. Against inferior competition however. Which of the teams that they beat to win were as good as any of the four teams that I listed?

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I don't think that's true. It's certainly true for every other sport, but one player has such a disproportionate influence on a basketball game that if you look back through the history of the sport, all the greatest players eventually at least win 1. Even Wilt did. I feel confident saying Jordan was always going to win at least one championship, he was too good not to at some point in his career. I'll agree there are other scenarios where he would have been less successful and not looked at the greatest ever though.

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I loved those Pistons team, they were very good. I dont think they were better than the best Bulls team. Isaiah was a good finisher, Jordan was the best ever.



The Pistons get young Rodman, the Bulls get older Rodman. Bulls win in a series.

The 93 Suns were better than that Knicks team.

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Those mid 90s Houston teams would have been a problem for the Bulls.

Not saying the Rockets would win, but I think the series would have gone 7 games easily.

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The Suns were probably better, but the Knicks were a worse matchup. They killed da Bull inside.

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I would probably agree with you on about 1-2 (2nd 3peat) of those Bulls teams. If you take Rodman of the Bulls and leave him with those teams they take the Bulls I believe. The Bulls had an easier road to the Championship than any of the teams that won in the 80's. That is my essential point. It doesn't detract that much from what they accomplished but I always like to factor in the quality of competition when making these type of assessments.

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Isiaah's excuses about fatigue aside, that stopped holding water in '91.

That one Sixers team and maybe not the Showtime Lakers wouldn't have been easy, but they could've matched up well with them.

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We remember teams differently that win a championship compared to those who don't so it really isn't a fair comparison there. I will say that the Bulls took the championship winning Pistons to 7 games and then crushed them a year later so I'm pretty sure they would have beaten them at their prime too.

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Maybe. I don't ever remember thinking they could beat the Bulls though. I actually thought the Knicks might. And they had them down 2-0, didn't they?

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Can you tell me where he's gone?
I thought I saw him walkin' up to The Hill
With Elon, Kash, and Don

As were the Jazz.

I still think the Pacers were the best team the Bulls faced but they get knocked down because they couldn't meet them in the finals.

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Those Jazz teams would thump any team LeBron was on that won a ring, they'd thump the Shakless Lakers and Garnett's Celts too.

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No, teams that lose can still be considered great teams. Those Boston Philly and Lakers teams that lost are still remembered as great teams. So was the Pistons team that lost to the Lakers in 7 and Boston the year before.

The Pistons teams that got "crushed" was on its last legs. The Team that the Bulls took to 7 during the previous year still won the Championship.

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They are remembered as great teams because they won a title around the same time they lost others.

You gave the Pistons 4 hypothetical titles. The Bulls almost beat one of the two teams they had that actually won the title. The Bulls almost certainly improved after that and yet you don't think they would have a chance to beat the team they already took to 7 games?

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