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Brian Scalabrine is available and can knock down the 3. I say bring him in. He would be cheap and hilarious.

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If LeBron doesn't come here put me on suicide watch. I've been obsessed with the LeBron watch since I found out he may like my favorite team. Similar to the way I was about Kobe. Only difference is no one is telling me we shouldn't include Ben Gordon or Deng in a trade.

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Brian Scalabrine is available and can knock down the 3. I say bring him in. He would be cheap and hilarious.


I dont even think there is a valid reason against bringing him here as our 12th man. Who would possibly be against this? If we already had Mark Madsen there might be chemistry issues, but we dont so it seems like a great idea.

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If LeBron doesn't come here put me on suicide watch. I've been obsessed with the LeBron watch since I found out he may like my favorite team. Similar to the way I was about Kobe. Only difference is no one is telling me we shouldn't include Ben Gordon or Deng in a trade.


I might be the only HUGE Bulls fan alive that wouldnt be thrilled if we got LeBron.

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Brian Scalabrine is available and can knock down the 3. I say bring him in. He would be cheap and hilarious.


I dont even think there is a valid reason against bringing him here as our 12th man. Who would possibly be against this? If we already had Mark Madsen there might be chemistry issues, but we dont so it seems like a great idea.

Every team needs one bad white player. Scalabrine fits the mold perfectly. Perfect replacement for Brad Miller, and probably a better three point threat.

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If LeBron doesn't come here put me on suicide watch. I've been obsessed with the LeBron watch since I found out he may like my favorite team. Similar to the way I was about Kobe. Only difference is no one is telling me we shouldn't include Ben Gordon or Deng in a trade.


I might be the only HUGE Bulls fan alive that wouldnt be thrilled if we got LeBron.

I didn't see the word HUGE at first, so I was going to point out that my parents insist that they will stop being Bulls fans if they get LeBron...some shit about how they can't stand the way he celebrates...my dad went so far as to say that he will start to root for whatever team Noah ends up on, because there's no way Noah would stay with the Bulls if LeBron signs... :lol:

I've already made it clear that if the Bulls get LeBron, my parents are getting jerseys for Christmas.


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some shit about how they can't stand the way he celebrates...

Did they call him uppity?

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If LeBron doesn't come here put me on suicide watch. I've been obsessed with the LeBron watch since I found out he may like my favorite team. Similar to the way I was about Kobe. Only difference is no one is telling me we shouldn't include Ben Gordon or Deng in a trade.


I might be the only HUGE Bulls fan alive that wouldnt be thrilled if we got LeBron.

I didn't see the word HUGE at first, so I was going to point out that my parents insist that they will stop being Bulls fans if they get LeBron...some shit about how they can't stand the way he celebrates...my dad went so far as to say that he will start to root for whatever team Noah ends up on, because there's no way Noah would stay with the Bulls if LeBron signs... :lol:

I've already made it clear that if the Bulls get LeBron, my parents are getting jerseys for Christmas.


Yeah that's the exact reason I put HUGE in there. That and I dont like the term die hard.

I think if LeBron and Noah were on the same team they'd be best friends, although I think it's possible that Noah could see LeBron for the front running wannabe Global Icon that he is and call him out for not being dedicated enough to winning.

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Joe Alexander
Devin Brown
Acie Law
Brad Miller
Ronald Murray
Jannero Pargo
Hakim Warrick

It's a damn shame most of these guys are still in the league, let alone all on our team. Good riddance to bad trash, I guess.

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My guess is 3 of those guys may be back next season.

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My guess is 3 of those guys may be back next season.

If I had a gun to my head I would go with:
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Brad Miller (only if he signs cheap and promises to never shoot another three)

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My guess is 3 of those guys may be back next season.


At least two will. Since we are basically trying to go balls out on FA, we will need quite a few roster filler minimum guys.

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http://sports.espn.go.com/nba/news/story?page=FreeAgents-10-11


Joe Alexander
Devin Brown
Acie Law
Brad Miller
Ronald Murray
Jannero Pargo
Hakim Warrick

It's a damn shame most of these guys are still in the league, let alone all on our team. Good riddance to bad trash, I guess.


Don't they have to renounce Miller's rights so they have his full slot to spend?

Of these guys, I think Law and Murray have the best shots of coming back. Law could be the 8-10 minutes backup PG, Murray can still provide some scoring off the bench, you just don't want to depend on him.


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John Wall won't be half the PRO that D Rose will be. Mark it fucking down.

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Did they call him uppity?



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No team, even the one that ultimately wins this year's championship, would turn down the chance to get reigning two-time MVP LeBron James, The Player. Aside from being the most dominant physical talent in the NBA, he is a box-office and advertising draw capable of doubling the value of a franchise.

But if getting James, The Player, means having to take on James, The GM, that's a trickier proposition.

Unless, of course, your team would happily take what James and the Cavaliers have done for the past seven years: five playoff appearances, including one unsuccessful run to the NBA Finals. Some teams (see: the New York Knicks) no doubt would, in light of where they've been for the past decade. Just know that the Cavs are where they are -- capped out with a modicum of trading chips -- because the team power structure supposedly has looked like this: owner Dan Gilbert, GM Danny Ferry and head coach Mike Brown.

With James standing just below Gilbert and just above Ferry.

"Do you acquiesce to a superstar?" says one assistant GM. "If you're going to let him choose his coach and decide who the No. 2 player is, that's acquiescing in a way that hurts his franchise."

Multiple league sources say that the Cleveland Cavaliers, in their attempt to keep James since drafting him with the No. 1 pick seven years ago, have done just that. Two opposing GMs, without citing specific examples, said they know James has vetoed deals Ferry would have made over the past few years.

"They tried to make him Michael [Jordan]," says one league executive. "He's not."

Meanwhile, the acquisitions of Larry Hughes, Mo Williams, Shaquille O'Neal and Antawn Jamison all have been made at James' behest, sources say. And whether it's by James' hand or the Cavaliers', the team has been constructed on the presumption that he is Michael Jordan, a scorer and finisher, rather than Magic Johnson, a playmaker who needed a go-to closer alongside him to win titles. "They tried to make him Michael," says one league executive. "He's not."

That is the greatest advantage a team such as the Chicago Bulls or the Miami Heat has in not just landing LeBron but winning titles with him, since Derrick Rose and Dwyane Wade have both demonstrated they're willing and able to take over games down the stretch any and every time it's necessary. Conversely, it makes little sense to pair James with Chris Bosh or Amare Stoudemire, because they have not shown a propensity for taking and making shots with the game on the line.

Granted, most, if not all, teams consult with their stars on personnel moves. "I doubt if we've done anything in the last 10 years where we didn't get input from our guys," said one of the anonymous GMs.

But it's a matter of degrees. "Input" and "veto power" are different. Phoenix Suns point guard Steve Nash was unhappy that the Suns traded his good friend, Raja Bell, along with Boris Diaw, to Charlotte for Jason Richardson. The San Antonio Spurs were fully aware Tim Duncan didn't like seeing Antonio Daniels, Malik Rose and Stephen Jackson go. That's input.

That's why, while sources say it's true that mortgage-broker/friend-to-the-stars William Wesley is shopping James to teams in a package with Kentucky coach John Calipari, for a franchise to actually buy that two-fer would be a blatant attempt to acquire James' value-improving quotient without considering the consequences. One report had Los Angeles Clippers owner Donald Sterling willing to give James that authority, which fits with Sterling's modus operandi.

It also explains why the Clippers have been a financial bonanza for Sterling but an abject disappointment as a team.

The consensus among front-office executives is that to transform James not merely into a money-making machine but a championship-producing one as well, the Cavs or any other franchise needs to hire a coach who can convince James to lose the pregame skits and develop the kind of footwork Kobe Bryant and Paul Pierce have, for starters. The problem is that the coaches with the obvious pedigrees are currently employed elsewhere: Heat president Pat Riley, Los Angeles Lakers coach Phil Jackson and Spurs coach Gregg Popovich. (Charlotte Bobcats coach Larry Brown has the pedigree, but his relationship with James was forever damaged during their stint together with Team USA.)

Anyone believing the Chicago Bulls would promise James he could hire his head coach doesn't know owner Jerry Reinsdorf or the franchise's history during Jordan's era. Jordan, after all, didn't want Jackson to replace Doug Collins as head coach, despised the deal that sent his good friend Charles Oakley to the Knicks for Bill Cartwright and had legendary contempt for GM Jerry Krause.

Six rings later …

"Jerry will never, ever turn the franchise over to a player," said one former Bull. "Ever."

That leaves the Cavs, or anyone else, searching for an unproven coach with the potential to command James' respect by the sheer force of his personality and basketball IQ -- in essence, a young Phil Jackson. And there's nothing wrong with asking James who that might be. He very well might have someone in mind who makes sense. That's why there haven't been any coaching hires by New Jersey or Chicago and why Riley floated the idea that he'd be willing to step in for current coach Erik Spoelstra.

But there's letting someone offer directions and then there's handing him the wheel. As crazy as it sounds, if getting James means doing the latter, it would be worth a lot of money -- but maybe not much else.

Ric Bucher is a senior writer for ESPN The Magazine.

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Nas you're turning into the JimmyR/kujoe of this thread. Will you be posting every LeBron related article you read in here between now and July 1?

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Nas you're turning into the JimmyR/kujoe of this thread. Will you be posting every LeBron related article you read in here between now and July 1?



In his defense though, LeBron thoughts > Pro Wrastlin'

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Any reasoning behind this at all?

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Yeah FF I think the guy was a part of the hype machine that was Kentucky and ESPN having all their games on TV. I watched a piss load of college basketball this year and that included almost all Kentucky games and I would have to say I want impressed by him at all. I would take Evan Turner over him every chance I could. If Evan Turner played for Kentucky and not Ohio State he would have been the number one pick, having all his games shown on ESPN or CBS. I would also say that if Cousins wasnt on the team they wouldnt have done shit all year.

I now remember when I was telling everyone I could that Kentucky wouldnt make it to the Final four and everyone thought I was crazy.

I also do remember listening to Boers say that Kentucky was going to win the championship game too because they were far and away the best team.!!!

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I'm not trying to pick a fight but there was pretty much no analysis in there. You pretty much think he's overrated alot because he plays for UK and ESPN needs to hype someone and picked him. He would have gone #1 overall even after HS if that rule wasnt in place. ESPN and UK had nothing to do with where he's getting drafted at.

By almost any barometer he was the best PG easily in the NCAA this year and was throught high school. What about his game doesnt translate to that being (partially anyway) the case in the NBA? He's probably faster than Rose, he's 6'4'' but plays like a pure PG, strong, can play a little defense already, can finish against anyone, etc. Really he's just not a good shooter and thats it, something that was also pretty much the only criticism of the last two ROY winners, Rose and Evans.

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Nas you're turning into the JimmyR/kujoe of this thread. Will you be posting every LeBron related article you read in here between now and July 1?


Only the ones in ESPN "INSIDER". I figure most people probably didn't waste any money on the magazine to get that service. Doesn't make sense to start a new thread either. My LeBron to the Bulls obsession is in overdrive. I may need intervention. My 3 year old loves Kobe (I really had nothing to do with it at all) but I've been talking to him about LeBron this last week. When he asks me where is LeBron at I really don't have an answer. Especially when he points out every time Kobe is on tv.

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I'm not trying to pick a fight but there was pretty much no analysis in there. You pretty much think he's overrated alot because he plays for UK and ESPN needs to hype someone and picked him. He would have gone #1 overall even after HS if that rule wasnt in place. ESPN and UK had nothing to do with where he's getting drafted at.

By almost any barometer he was the best PG easily in the NCAA this year and was throught high school. What about his game doesnt translate to that being (partially anyway) the case in the NBA? He's probably faster than Rose, he's 6'4'' but plays like a pure PG, strong, can play a little defense already, can finish against anyone, etc. Really he's just not a good shooter and thats it, something that was also pretty much the only criticism of the last two ROY winners, Rose and Evans.



Your right... How about the fact that he was a good player but not as good as everyone is led to believe by ESPN and others. How dominant was he in college? Did he put up absurd stats. For playing 34 mins a game he averaged 6 assists a game(I point this out as the only stat he was in the top 20 in... he ranked 3rd). Because he was quick doesnt make him the top pick. What guy did he shut down? I do remember quite vividly him leading his team to get beat @ South Carolina and Devin Downey blowing past him on many occasions. He isnt going to be able to blow past guys in the NBA. He lacks a sure shot and isnt a good defender. Other than that, this guy is going to be great. Evan Turner and Demarcus Cousins should be better than him.

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In Chicago to play golf at a suburban country club — yes, he still gambles on 10-foot putts — Michael Jordan was asked The Question by one of the organizers. No, it wasn’t whether LeBron James’ mother had an affair with loaded-gun-toting teammate Delonte West, a rumor her attorney strongly denies, but, rather, where her precious Bron Bron will play next. Normally, Jordan doesn’t speculate on the business of others, but this week, he couldn’t resist in opining like everyone else.

“Chicago,” he said.

It brought to mind a conversation I had with Jordan after one of James’ first NBA appearances in the United Center. LeBron was brilliant that night, and in a corridor by the locker rooms, after Jordan had watched the performance from a suite, I asked him if James ever could match his legacy in sports. “What do you think?” he shot back, apparently wanting me to answer no. I didn’t answer then, needing time to see a body of work.

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Yeah FF I think the guy was a part of the hype machine that was Kentucky and ESPN having all their games on TV. I watched a piss load of college basketball this year and that included almost all Kentucky games and I would have to say I want impressed by him at all. I would take Evan Turner over him every chance I could. If Evan Turner played for Kentucky and not Ohio State he would have been the number one pick, having all his games shown on ESPN or CBS. I would also say that if Cousins wasnt on the team they wouldnt have done shit all year.


rose and wall had similar stats in their one year at college. rose had a better time in the tournament, though.

OJ mayo didn't impress me at all in college but he's doing pretty well in the NBA.


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He isnt going to be able to blow past guys in the NBA.


You might be right that Wall wont be a great player. Thats possible. But this is one of the dumbest basketball thoughts I've ever heard.

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LeBron James is literally the most valuable pro athlete of our time, generating more than $80 million a year in revenues and more than $250 million in franchise value for the Cavaliers. Both figures almost certainly rank as the highest in team sports. And that cash, plus millions more that LeBron pumps into Cleveland's municipal economy, will vanish if James bolts this summer.

Getty ImagesCleveland may have maxed the revenue peaks they'll reach from LeBron's presence.

But here's the shocking twist: Even if the Cavs do re-sign him, their best financial days are probably behind them.

Let's start from the beginning. It's often a complicated task to estimate the effect one player has on a team's finances. Not so with LeBron. Before the Cavs landed James, Cleveland basketball was as dead as the fish in Nixon-era Lake Erie, so we can confidently attribute the franchise's changes since then to him.

To get a handle on the LeBron Effect, start with what sophisticated analysts call "butts in seats." Before James arrived, the Cavs averaged fewer than 11,500 fans per home game, the worst attendance mark in the league. That number jumped 59 percent during James' first year in the NBA, and hit 20,562 -- 100 percent of capacity -- this season. Next, add in the couch potatoes. Before LeBron, Cleveland couldn't even get all its games on local TV. But during his rookie season, ratings shot up by about 300 percent, and for good measure, Internet surfers made www.nba.com/cavaliers one of the league's most popular websites. Result: bigger rights fees, better broadcast schedules, more money from corporate sponsors.


Ordinarily, sports leagues and teams wildly overhype their impact on local economies. But because of LeBron, the Cavaliers have plowed about $40 million into renovations and construction at Quicken Loans Arena since 2006, turning their neighborhood into something of an economic development zone. Every spring, local shops sell out of LeBron jerseys and sneakers; before James arrived, the Cavaliers couldn't crack the NBA's top 10 in merchandise sales, but they have usually been in the top five ever since. Meanwhile, bars, restaurants and hotels have boomed from surging interest in the Cavs, hauling in new money -- not just cash that was already circulating around town -- because LeBron is so popular that he draws tourists to Cleveland. Local officials estimated, for example, that 300,000 visitors came to the city to see the Cavs during the 2005-06 season.

Overall, the Cavaliers' revenues, which were just $75 million a year or so before LeBron, doubled in the four seasons after he hit town, according to Forbes. And thanks to the NBA's wage scale, Cleveland was able to pay James far less than he would be worth on the open market, particularly during his rookie contract. Think about this: In 2006-07, LeBron ($5.8 million) made less than Eric Snow ($6.1 million). So a good chunk of the Cavs' increased take dropped straight to their owners' bottom line. From 2003 to 2007, team profits zoomed from $4 million to $32 million. Indeed, the one man who has profited most from LeBron's success is probably former Cavs owner Gordon Gund, who bought the team for $10 million in 1983 and flipped it for $375 million in 2005.

Over the past two years, however, as the Cavaliers approached but did not win an NBA title, the team's financial stats have plateaued: From 2008 to 2009, the Cavs' revenues were flat ($159 million in both years) and so was its franchise value ($477 million to $476 million). Further, when Cleveland extended LeBron's deal in 2007, then added big contracts like Shaquille O'Neal's and Antawn Jamison's last season, it dramatically increased player costs and went over the league's luxury-tax threshold, driving profits down to just $5 million last year. This is a phenomenon common to many breakout performances or technologies, which social scientists call an S-curve.

If you graph any team's revenues against its wins over time, you won't get a straight line, but a curve that's flat at one end, steep in the middle, then flat on the other end. (Hence, the "S.") An NBA club, for instance, won't gain much financially by moving from 20 wins one season to 28 the next -- either way, it's a mess. Nor is a team likely to squeeze too much out of moving from 60 to 68 wins; it's probably already a championship contender. But if a team moves from 40 to 48 wins, it crosses from losing into winning territory. It gains new and more regular fans. It can hike ticket prices and media fees. And it will qualify for the postseason, in which revenues turn into almost pure profit (since teams can take in considerable new money without paying players extra salary for the additional games).

Now look at what's happened in Cleveland over the past seven years. Before James arrived, the Cavs were a league-worst 17-65. With him on board, they have gone to 35 wins to 42 (and just missing the playoffs) to 50 (and making the conference semifinals) to 50 (and making the Finals) to 45 (and losing in the conference semis) to 66 (and losing in the conference finals) to 61 (and losing again in the conference semis). LeBron has carried the Cavs from the left-hand side of the S, up the middle, to the right-hand side.

As a result, Cleveland's financial situation is unusually stark. If the Cavs re-sign LeBron, their expenses well into the next decade will be higher than they ever were in the early years of James' career. (Giving LeBron a max contract and adding nobody else would put them at least $15 million over the league's likely luxury-tax threshold in 2010-11.) Which means the only way to drive profits up again is to boost revenues. Given how far they've already come, the only way to do that is to win a title. And as we've just seen, even James doesn't come with championships guaranteed.

But that's still a lot better than the alternative: losing games and revenue, and sliding all the way back down the S-curve. You don't have to look too far to see what the Cavs would be without LeBron -- just one more smallish-market team without a superstar or profits, like the Bucks or Grizzlies or T-Wolves.

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 Post subject: Re: LEBRON TO CHICAGO?
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Maybe I'm an asshole but that was a boring article. I stopped 1/3rd through it. I dont really care about the economic ramifications of LeBron's choice.

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