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When was the last time Loul Deng dunked a basketball?

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I was shocked when Boozer dunked last night. I think Deng threw one down in Game 5 against Indiana.

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When was the last time Loul Deng dunked a basketball?

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I was shocked when Boozer dunked last night. I think Deng threw one down in Game 5 against Indiana.



They both cut to the hole and finish with layups nearly every time. It's like Deng does it on purpose like George Gervin...

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If the Bulls win the Championship, who's girlfriend will C.J. Watson bang?

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I ignored nothing. You changed your point when you realized it was a poor one. You lose.

Huh? :?: :scratch:

The only thing you presented that remotely resembled a "point" was dissected and destroyed.

Hand me that checkered-flag, would you, Marshall?

. . . and please give that man a cup of coffee - dark roast.


The only thing you've destroyed in this thread was any remaining shred (please note the correct use of that word here) of board credibility in your possession. As usual, you have proven to be your own worst enemy.

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Bill Wennington feared that the Bulls would come out flat and rusty in Game 1 of this Eastern Semifinal vs. the Hawks late in the ESPN Radio/Chicago Bulls Radio Network pregame show prior to tipoff, and he was right. The Bulls seemed to be playing uphill for much of the night after starting in a 9-0 1st quarter hole, while the duo of Joe Johnson & ex-Bull Jamal Crawford couldn't seem to miss. It would behoove these Bulls to find a way to contain these 2 in Game 2 and start off the basketball game shooting much better from the field tomorrow night if they want to avoid heading to Atlanta in an 0-2 hole Friday.


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If Rose scores 30 with no limp or re-injury in tomorrow's game, I will eat my sock and let Tall Midget select my avatar for a week, and he can change it as many times as he would like for that seven (7)-day period.

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If Rose scores 30 with no limp or re-injury in tomorrow's game, I will eat my sock and let Tall Midget select my avatar for a week, and he can change it as many times as he would like for that seven (7)-day period.

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what does that have to do with the bulls? did you think i was taking a shot or something? like you usually do?

TM - rose is averaging 27 pts, 6.8 assists in the playoffs. that's not bad. i think he took over the first 2 pacers games and practically won them himself, too.


I'm not saying he's been bad, just that he hasn't played at a high enough level to take the Bulls to the NBA Finals--or maybe even beyond the 2nd round of the playoffs. Has he looked like the League MVP to you so far in the playoffs?


i think their descrepancy of a legit 2 guard may be a bigger reason if they don't advance to the finals.

the injury may be holding him back a little too.


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LoHo just announced that D-Rose Practiced on his Grade 2 today.

When there is some tearing of the ligament and the ankle joint moves in abnormal ways, it is noted to be a Grade 2 sprain.

Looks like "shred" is listed as a synonym of "tear" as well:

http://thesaurus.com/browse/tear

Main Entry: tear
Part of Speech: verb
Definition: cut, rip an object
Synonyms: break, claw, cleave, crack, damage, divide, evulse, extract, fray, frazzle, gash, grab, impair, incise, injure, jigsaw, lacerate, mangle, mutilate, pluck, pull, pull apart, rend, ribbon, rift, rive, run, rupture, scratch, seize, separate, sever, shred, slash, slit, snatch, split, sunder, wrench, wrest, yank
Antonyms: fix, mend, sew


75% - you read it here first! (Bernstein pretty much agrees)

Again: 30pts., no limp, no re-injury = I surrender my avatar for one week to Midget The Great and be his AB ("Avvy Bitch") for the duration, modifying it at his beck and call.


Again, where's your evidence of a shredded tendon?

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I don't know who to believe...Comcast SportsNet's bald-headed David Kaplan said on CSNchicago.com, claiming "reliable sources", that Derrick Rose did undergo an MRI on that sprained ankle. The SCORE's own David Schuster and ESPNChicago.com claim that's not the case. ESPNChicago.com said that an MRI wasn't necessary, while Schu said that D.Rose did fully participate in practice today at the Berto Center in Deerfield.


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Sure, I can break it down for the Gallery:

Well, I got my evidence that it was labeled a "Grade 2" from a mainstream news source - radio reports gleaned from a Comcast Bulls Beat reporter who was quoting MRI results - but I can see where you would have your doubts given the events of the past few days! :wink:

Then, as you already know, a simple lookup of the definition of "Grade 2" reveals that the presence of a tear is pivotal to the classification.

To distinguish, A mild sprain or one that causes slight stretching with minimal damage to the fibres in the ligament is considered a Grade 1 sprain.

Then, of course, we show that "tear" and "shred" are brothers in meaning.. . .and . . .

VOILA!

Hopefully, Derrick will fuck me up tomorrow night and make me eat stank stocking.


So where is your evidence that Rose has suffered shredded tendons as you originally asserted?

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And how is a torn tendon part of an ankle sprain, as you originally claimed it is?

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Hopefully, we'll get a straight answer when D.Rose is officially named the NBA MVP next hour.


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Q.Bovifs wrote:
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Sure, I can break it down for the Gallery:

Well, I got my evidence that it was labeled a "Grade 2" from a mainstream news source - radio reports gleaned from a Comcast Bulls Beat reporter who was quoting MRI results - but I can see where you would have your doubts given the events of the past few days! :wink:

Then, as you already know, a simple lookup of the definition of "Grade 2" reveals that the presence of a tear is pivotal to the classification.

To distinguish, A mild sprain or one that causes slight stretching with minimal damage to the fibres in the ligament is considered a Grade 1 sprain.

Then, of course, we show that "tear" and "shred" are brothers in meaning.. . .and . . .

VOILA!

Hopefully, Derrick will fuck me up tomorrow night and make me eat stank stocking.


So where is your evidence that Rose has suffered shredded tendons as you originally asserted?

Ah! A misdirect!

Again, I never asserted that which you accuse, and I already addressed it. Go ahead and re-read for your fancy.

Now, seeing as we are being a very detailed and nitpicking for nuggets, why aren't you defending your PickupLeague theory and refuting my herein-quoted post?


You are a liar.

I have no need to refute anything. I've had a grade 2 sprain and have been fine in a couple of days. Your assertion of torn ankle tendons implied (by definition) that Rose would be severely incapacitated for several weeks since surgery is required to repair them.

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Now, since we have pretty much established that he has a tear, which can be described as "shredded", YOU have diverted the attention of the masses to make this (Tendon damage? Yes/no?) the pivotal part of your argument - uh, if there ever was a real argument there somewhere amidst the proclamations, insults, and distractions.

Fuck it, though - let's do the dance.

Now, we are in big trouble. Absent chemical or hormonal/supplemental assistance, shredded tendons and ligaments just don't heal in the time we have left in the playoffs.

Read the above sentence. Nowhere do I say that DERRICK ROSE has a shredded tendon or ligament. I DO speak very generally of the two types of connective tissue in the same vein, as they are interrelated to that type of injury (see my later post that describes the exact muscle and tendon usually affected by ankle sprains).

But, back to "the tendon issue".

Where are the two irreplaceably-intertwined? I think it is more than clear that my text highlighted healing time of the relative possible damaged tissues collectively (i.e. I was not proclaiming that I performed my own MRI and found each present telepathically) and the fact that such healing time - of each, OR both, it doesn't matter - would outlast a playoff run to completion.

I stand behind that assertion still.


So you are claiming you weren't arguing that Rose had a torn tendon? Umm, OK. I stand by my assertion that you are a liar--or crazy. But it's one or the other.

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Q.Bovifs wrote:
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You are a liar.

I have no need to refute anything. I've had a grade 2 sprain and have been fine in a couple of days. Your assertion of torn ankle tendons implied (by definition) that Rose would be severely incapacitated for several weeks since surgery is required to repair them.

I'm happy for you, but "incapacitated"? Who said that?

I said 75%.

Also, read that wikipedia link as far as healing time goes.

Prognosis

Most people improve significantly in the first two weeks. Some however still have problems with pain and instability after one year (5–30%). Reinjury is also common
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This will be a different situation entirely, however, as he will be required to play on it every other day or so and risk chronically re-injuring it, so healing time will almost certainly be extended longer than that as stated!

Ok, I have a dentist appt. - toodles!


By definition, a torn ankle tendon is incapacitating.

I'm really not sure what point you're trying to prove. You were originally confused about the definition of an ankle sprain (arguing that it involves torn tendons) while trying to lecture me about something with which you are unfamiliar. Now your point is that the sprain is more severe than I think. OK, maybe it is. But this doesn't change the fact that Rose doesn't have a torn tendon, contrary to your initial assertion.

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So you are claiming you weren't arguing that Rose had a torn tendon? Umm, OK. I stand by my assertion that you are a liar--or crazy. But it's one or the other.

Because I actually offer answers to direct questions, again, the answer to your question is "No".

How could I "argue for" something that I did not know? If you don't understand things as I described them, you can feel free to stand however or wherever you like, and it won't bother me a bit either way.

. . . but I've already locked this trophy away in the case, and you can't have it.

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The only thing you've locked away is common sense. Your backtracking is pathetic.

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You guys are making me hate the Bulls.

What time do the Blackhawks play tonight?

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You guys are making me hate the Bulls.

What time do the Blackhawks play tonight?

Yeah this thread is getting as painful as a torn ankle tendon

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What time do the Blackhawks play tonight?


The Bulls are making me hate the Bulls.

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You guys are making me hate the Bulls.

What time do the Blackhawks play tonight?

:lol:

I think we need to make a new bulls game thread

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You guys are making me hate the Bulls.

What time do the Blackhawks play tonight?

:lol:

I think we need to make a new bulls game thread

Someone wake up Ike

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You guys are making me hate the Bulls.

What time do the Blackhawks play tonight?

:lol:

I think we need to make a new bulls game thread

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You guys are making me hate the Bulls.

What time do the Blackhawks play tonight?

:lol:

I think we need to make a new bulls game thread

Someone wake up Ike

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Rose didn't look much different in Game 2 than he did in Game 1. If anything, he seemed a little quicker today than he did on Monday. To me, that means the twisted ankle he sustained at the end of Game 1 had no effect on his play today.

In my view, a big part of his problem is that he is overcompensating for his teammates' offensive inadequacies and the evaporation of easy transition points by playing a little too aggressively and making poor decisions with the ball. In light of Boozer's ineffectiveness, the Bulls will continue to struggle offensively because transition points are scarce in the half court-oriented style of play that typically characterizes the playoffs. Without Boozer performing at a high level, Rose is the only Bulls player who can consistently generate his own offense in a low-tempo game. That renders the Bulls quite easy to defend. And to make matters worse, Rose's recent shooting struggles have allowed the Hawks to sag on him defensively, thereby mitigating the effectiveness of his superior driving ability. If Rose can find his shot in Atlanta, the Hawks won't win another game.

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Rose didn't look much different in Game 2 than he did in Game 1. If anything, he seemed a little quicker today than he did on Monday. To me, that means the twisted ankle he sustained at the end of Game 1 had no effect on his play today.

In my view, a big part of his problem is that he is overcompensating for his teammates' offensive inadequacies and the evaporation of easy transition points by playing a little too aggressively and making poor decisions with the ball. In light of Boozer's ineffectiveness, the Bulls will continue to struggle offensively because transition points are scarce in the half court-oriented style of play that typically characterizes the playoffs. Without Boozer performing at a high level, Rose is the only Bulls player who can consistently generate his own offense in a low-tempo game. That renders the Bulls quite easy to defend. And to make matters worse, Rose's recent shooting struggles have allowed the Hawks to sag on him defensively, thereby mitigating the effectiveness of his superior driving ability. If Rose can find his shot in Atlanta, the Hawks won't win another game.


I saw differently, I guess, regarding the ankle. I would not, could not say that it had no effect. I saw him taking it easy on D - his teammates were crucial in assisting with this, and on offense, he avoided most lateral quick-twitch type movements. He drove, and got in fast, but it was mostly straight-forward and straight-line stuff, and, as a substitute for his usual side-springing, he instead leaned hard on body and arm/hand adjustments to weave around defenders. Even the announcers pointed it out. Did you see the time he fell down and turned over the ball at halfcourt? that was 100% due to favoring the ankle. He also settled for a LOT more jumpshots and dished slightly more than he would normally - he was about 75-80%. Schuster just called him 80% on Grobber show and said he thinks the ankle is bothering him and that you could tell that he didn't have the elevation - direct quote. I liked how he diagnosed and made the adjustment to his J, though (shooting it a bit harder). Nice brains on Brad!

I am so glad he didn't re-injure it, though.

I think getting Deng going like they did tonight will be critical if they hope to win this series and move on and thrive in the next round. He made a few nice shots off the dribble, and used some glass. You can tell he scrimmages with Pip a lot (as I believe was reported earlier in the season).

Deng, like he has many times this season, was able to be the No. 2 tonight, with Noah not far behind.

Fuck Boozer - he belongs on the bench. The Bulls play much better with Taj out there. The intensity is noticeably higher. Did anyone witness Boozer's disappearing act in teh lane on D numerous times? Why doe Tibbs put up with that shit? Boozer is a liability on O as well, as half the time he is taking low percentage shots and acting like a black hole when he gets the ball - he never kicks out, even in a sure-block situation.

Like the thread I started after hearing the Berns-Goff discussion, I think the problem is more scheme than lack of creative talent on O. I watched, paused and rewound many instances where any NBA player could have easily flashed to an open area, yet nobody made the move. It was the move and recognition of the space that would have put the ball right in the hole - Jack Haley could have dunked that pumpkin. Korver is the only guy I really see hustling to find open spots.


I agree with a lot of what you say about Rose's ankle, but I don't think this is a change from Monday's game. I will say that the reason Rose "settled" for a lot of jumpshots, though, is that Atlanta is frequently daring him to shoot by playing off the ball. You are right that Boozer, in his current state at least, is useless. I don't share your faith in Deng.

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I think someone might want to point out to Jamal that his team only scored 73 points last game.

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In fact, Crawford found reasons to be optimistic as the series -- which is even at 1-1 -- shifts to Atlanta for Game 3 on Friday.

"If that's their best shot, we're in good shape," Crawford said. "As bad as we played, to be down six with four minutes to go, we had our chances. We'll take some positives from it and watch some tape."

The Hawks whittled a 14-point deficit to six in the fourth quarter, but the Bulls went on a 9-2 run to secure the win.

"It was a desperate game for them, and they played like it," Crawford said. "Now we have to go home and take care of business."

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