youre either in or your out. it WAS a championship year. but rose was too rusty and noah was absolute dogshit so that was that. but it doesnt mean you play the worst defender in the history of the game when youre supposed to be contending for a title.

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the world will always the world. your entire existence is defined by your response.

He wasn't ready. It's really that simple. He was given 15 to 20 mins a game and he wasn't helping the team. Mins should be earned and not given to someone especially on a team expected to compete for the Eastern Conference Championship (if healthy). He should be better this year.

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Kirk Hinrich avg. 25 min a game. Did he earn them?

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of course he did. he was considered one of the best defenders in the league for many years. you dont just stop riding that until its proven bad... i doubt he gets those minutes this year but well see, he might bounce back but i doubt it

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No he didn't. Shawn Marion and Mike Miller are far more accomplished than Hinrich. Their coach sat them because they can't play anymore. Even with injuries they didn't play. The same should have occurred with Hinrich.

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Those guys have sucked or been injured for years now and even with that being the case their basketball IQ's could have helped in the Finals. Blame Blatt. Kirk was key to the Bulls making a playoff run the year before so there is no doubt he earned the mins. The health and lack of defense from the PG position was a factor too. He's done though.

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Rick Hahn is the best GM in baseball.

I'm not happy just pointing out how dumb long time guy with only a GIF.

http://www.basketball-reference.com/pla ... 4=&p5=&p6=

Not only are their career statistics extremely similar, but Kirk Hinrich outperforms Mike Miller in the playoffs (i.e. games that matter) immensely. In fact, every. possible. statistical. category. Points, field goal percentages, rebounds, assists, steals, blocks...you name it.

Kirk Hinrich was a player that could be trusted to play 30 quality minutes for much of his career. Mike Miller was never that player.

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There wasn't anything that Hinrich displayed last season which demonstrated that he deserved to play. Whether it be the eye test, advanced stats or anything else he should have sat. That was a prime example of a coach trusting a veteran at the expense of the team.
Wasn't in favor of the McDermott pick and there were guys I would have rather seen the Bulls draft. I think he should play in front of Dunleavy though. I don't think he will be an all star though I can see him as a starter in the NBA. His defense is bad but there are worst defenders. I'm sure that tag was thrown on Boozer prior to his departure. The MVP of the league is a terrible defender also. How much did it hurt GS?

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You talk about dumb. You're the same guy that thought Jamal Crawford's Bull career was better than Ben Gordon's. You also are the same guy that thought Bobby Portis and Tyrus Thomas are similar players. Talk about basketball stupid.

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Jamal Crawford's career is better than Ben Gordon's.

How many NBA games has Bobby Portis played? Are you expecting him to become some sort of sharpshooter? Is he going to put on 70 pounds? Is he going to shrink?

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Mike Miller was once Rookie of the yr. and until the injuries began to pile up he was a good player. I will pull up his Memphis stats. If memory serves me correct he was the second best player on the Memphis team which won 55 games. Has Kirk Hinrich ever been the second best player on a team that won 50 games?

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Bobby Portis Draft Profile: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=whMSt_vhLTs

Tyrus Thomas Draft Profile: http://www.draftexpress.com/profile/Tyrus-Thomas-511/

You could easily swap names and you'd have no idea.

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Rick Hahn is the best GM in baseball.

Kirk Hinrich was fourth in ROTY voting, behind LeBron, Carmelo, and Dwyane Wade.

Mike Miller's competition was KDdidit Martin, Marc Jackson and Darius Miles.

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Comprehension is the key. I clearly stated "BULLS CAREER".

In the case of Portis and Thomas it's obvious that they are different types of players. Portis may well be a bust though it's hard to ever view a guy drafted 22nd as a bust. For the sake of argument, let's say he is a bust. It still does not make him Tyrus Thomas. They are two different types of players.

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After being a key member of a playoff team the Bulls brought Hinrich back as their 3rd guard. Rose started the season with a mins restriction and then immediately got injured. That meant that Kirk couldn't play the 15 to 20 mins a game his body probably could have dealt with. He played 30+ mins in a lot of early games because the Bulls didn't have a choice. As his play continued to decline Brooks was given the 3rd guard spot and Kirks mins were reduced dramatically. When Rose got injured AGAIN Kirk was forced back into action.


http://sports.yahoo.com/nba/players/3710/gamelog/

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Not Carmelo Anthony. He stinks remember. Hinrich should have easily garnered more votes than he. I know Miller wasn't up against much competition but he won it anyway. His Memphis yrs were good yrs and Hinrich's post Bulls career was no great shakes either. He has been primarily a bench player for the past six yrs

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I didn't mind him backing up Rose and playing that amount of min. He was playing with Rose a lot and also playing a lot of min. at the two and three. Those min. Should have gone to Snell. How can anyone justify playing a guy at shooting guard who shoots 35% from the field.

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Comprehension is where you fail. Because I never said Jamal Crawford had a better Bulls career than Ben Gordon. I said the Bulls should have kept Jamal Crawford. His best years could have been as a Bull.

Did you not fucking read those draft recaps? Tyrus Thomas coming out of college and Bobby Portis coming out of college were the same type of player, per SCOUTS. Scouts' opinions carry a bit more weight than yours.

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No you didn't. I pull the thread on Gordon and Crawford.


Secondly Portis is not freakishly athletic and has a motor Thomas was freakishly athletic and has no motor. Portis is also a heavier banging type of player whereas Thomas was skinny and kind of soft. Third Thomas as a college player at least was considered the second best college player on that LSU team. Portis won SEC player of the yr.

How are they comparable?

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On the Crawford front you sound stupid. You are advocating for the retention of a player that didn't participate in a playoff game until he was in the league for 9 or 10 yrs. The Bulls never came close to the playoffs during any point of his Bulls career. The Bulls made the playoffs Ben Gordon's first yr on the team. Coincidentally it was Crawford's first yr off. Lastly check Gordon's career playoff numbers versus Crawford's. He murders him. Crawford took about nine yrs to find his niche whereas Gordon was a scorer from day one. He was the guy the Bulls should have kept and unlike Crawford they wanted to bring him back.

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I provided my own scouting below of the two players without reading any eye test. I have looked at the the two scouting reports and they are eerily similar to mine.

Only a fool would read those two scouting reports and think they are the same. I tried to save you a little embarrassment but that is a rather difficult exercise, as I have found during my message experience.

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You did, did you?

Let's take a look.



viewtopic.php?p=2253493#p2253493

What else you got, you dumbfuck?

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your stupid ass tried originally to compare their two careers, did a little research and once you found out there wasn't any comparison you backpedaled.
I clearly stated that Ben Gordon's Bull career was better from the beginning. That's where it began.

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So much awesome right there.

Go back to commenting on Yahoo! Sports articles.

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You were aided by a spell check dictionary. I'm still trying to figure out how those two scouting reports are one and the same. You really are not too bright are you?

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I'm still wondering how those two scouting reports are the same?

The silence on this issue will truly speak volumes.

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You've shown zero aptitude for recognizing or understanding basketball analysis. Any in depth explanation on my part would be futile.

We've had board dumbasses like you come and go. I'll just need to learn to endure and ignore you. As soon as Nas does as well, you'll have lost the only two people that engage you.

You don't know a third of what you think you do.

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Me and Nas disagree but it never resorts to name calling. You asked me to read something I read it and the expected outcome wasn't what you said it would be.

I'm not part of the "clan" nor do I want to be. I'm just a guy talking shit on a message board. You stated that they are the same guy and it's obvious from both an eye test and a scouting report that they are not.


You won't have to play the ignore game because I will be tapping out soon this not a place that I wish to be a part of. It's too "cliqueish" and too "clannish". It makes for a weaker discourse. You cannot even read and comprehend a scouting report. It quickly became about me to cover your stupid as analysis.

It descends into the personal far too often around here. The talent has left the building awhile ago and in it has been replaced by posters like you that really don't know shit. There are some that have a problem with me because I won't be bullied on a message board or anywhere else for that matter. I'm not cut like that.

There are certain guys that idiots like you target each and every time. It's like clockwork. Never fails. I don't actually have a beef with Nas. Never have. To quote his favorite Civil Rights leader we disagree without being disagreeable. You say a lot if dumb shit though. You argue with a number of people around here and it unfailingly resorts to the personal once proven wrong.

This is just the latest in a long list of stupid shit that you have said. The reluctance of those that typically support your idiotic ramblings in supporting you this time speaks volumes. I say all this to say I'm done.

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You know shit like the fact that those two scouting reports are the same yet I'm the dumbass. To reiterate comprehension is the key!

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