And he's had the freedom to suck for 4 seasons longer than the Paw too. 9 games can't erase that.

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Coby White has turned into a solid NBA player and PAW hasn’t. Plain and simple. You have a good rep as an NBA expert on this board, but when you make analysis personal it loses credibility.

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? Even if CW sucked the whole time it would be 1 season longer.

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It's a lot of Monday Morning QBing where Coby White is concerned. And revisionist history too. He's had a good 9 game stretch. He has "improved", but when you suck essentially, improvement is relative. And as far as the PAW goes there still is no doubt that he will be the better player. That's why he is the only Bull with any real trade value currently.

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The PAW missed most of his 2nd season in the league remember. But I know that still doesn't matter as far as MANY are concerned. And the Bulls gave Coby White a much longer Leash to be a ahitty player than Patrick Williams ever had. The PAW has never had the freedom on offense that Coby White had.

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I am not too high on either being good long term. But to shit on Coby White and defend Patrick Williams at the same time sure is a choice.

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Small sample size and its actually quite the "choice" for anyone to think that Coby White is a budding star based on 3 weeks of work. Particularly after seeing him mostly suck for the past 4-5 years. Paw has been mishandled by Billy D from the get go. And even with that he was still the team's best 3 point shooter and 2nd best defender last season. And that's with an all league defender on the team in Caruso.

The reason that it's an easy "choice" for me is simple. THE PAW has a much higher ceiling than Coby. Which actually has been on display these past 3 weeks as well.

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How has paw been misused? He sucked, there wasn't any way to use him

But the past month, Coby and paw have been electric. We might not have to trade these guys

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Billy D allowed Derozan and Lavine run an iso heavy, hero ball based offense where only they (with some Vuc and Coby mixed in here and there) were allowed to shoot the ball. He had The Paw stand around in the corner and wait for kickout passes that were never going to come. Stacy "Sky" King talked about this all last season and in the off season too. So did MANY others whose comments I'd read outside of this "consensus" driven site. Dudes who shoot 40+% percent from 3 while playing good to great defense will never suck by the way.

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How do you explain paws performance now? Its not the coaches, so what is it?

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Lavine isn't playing mostly and the team is sharing the ball much more. The increased ball movement since Lavine has been gone have been great. That is the single biggest difference that I see. Billy D claims that he always wanted to play this way. However he never stood on it when it came to his veteran guys. Derozan and especially Lavine hate to share the ball. Particularly in crunch time. But ultimately that was on Billy D. He should have simply held both accountable whenever they didn't want to play team basketball. He never did and I'm sure that is what pissed Vuc off last season and that first game. Its why he called a team meeting.

Its obvious from reading his quotes following games that he hates playing with Zach. I doubt seriously if he is the only one either.

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It's always seemed like the team preferred DeRozan as the alpha.

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He's not just improving though. He's playing a high level. I don't know if he'll play at this level going forward, but this is not some role player have some good contributions. He's having all-star level caliber games in this stretch. Hope he can keep it up.

I think originally that was the case but not so much now. I think they like playing with him more than Lavine but I believe if they had their druthers (particularly the younger guys) they'd prefer to bounce him too. He plays too slow on offense and can't guard anyone on D. And I was one of the guys in favor of signing him 2-3 years ago too. But from the 2nd half of last season until now he has basically been a shot fighter. But it seems as if he is the last guy to actually know it. Which only makes it worse.

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I don't think any of it is as clear as it seems. For years everyone has said the ball dies with lavine, and we lose games because of it. It can't be coincidence the moment he sits out they play so much better. But it can't be the only reason can it?

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He's been good over the past 9 games on offense. His defense still sucks ass though. You'd think that he had a mob hitman on him the way he gets targeted defensively. But I really have no problem with how he has played offensively the past 3 weeks. He is sharing the ball more than I have ever seen him, taking good shots, and not turning it over as much. I think this is more of "Linsanity" type of thing if anything, but we'll see.

I'm not ready to anoint him as a "very good player" after only 9 games though. Far too much of a sample size for that. He actually has had the ball in his hands since he entered the NBA. Thus it has never been him getting "touches". That was never the problem. He actually had too much freedom on offense for a dude that wasn't an accomplished player imo. But at least we got to see what he had or didn't have as a player.

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It's because Coby is playing better but its also because of the way my guy Vuc happens to be playing also. With a little bit of The Paw too. Vuc and The Paw are easily the too most maligned players here. They hit the 4 most important shots of the game last night. All 3's too. Vuc has been playing extremely well over the past 9 games too. All of last season Gill and Perdue were screaming for the offense to run through him. Billy D never did. And that is why Vuc wanted a sit down and a few assurances before he resigned. Beginning of the year it was the same thing as he was iced out a lot by Lavine and Derozan. Now that he is getting more touches the offense is flowing much better. It's not simply because of Coby and the Numbers back it up too. Vuc has been averaging 20+ with about 4-5 assists per since Lavine has been out. Those are big time numbers. Like Coby he isn't good defensively but at least he will hit the glass. I will take that with everything else that he brings to the table as a player. Plus he shares the ball too.

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So again it's all lavine. Every problem this team has seems to start with lavine. I'm not buying it, but that what we all keep saying, and then we blame the coaches.

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I don't place it all on Lavine but he is a problem. In fact the 3 biggest problems are Lavine, Derozan, and Billy D. and this goes back to last season. Their record in close games was atrocious and it mostly had to do with those 3. Win half of the close ones and they would have been a 50 win team. That ain't bad. Especially in today's NBA where there are no "superteams" anywhere to be found.

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Lavine is now probably the worst contract in the NBA, it's unmovable

1) Locker room cancer
2) Awful money
3) Injury concerns

If he was a good locker room guy then his contract would be valuable to offset salaries but he's not going to be a good teammate that sits on the bench like Jack Haley

So what's your theory, then?

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I don't know. If it is lavine, then the players clearly hate him. But I'm not sure I believe that.

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The biggest difference in the stretch is obvious. 25.4/6.7 says it all. If Obvious reverts, Bulls will revert. Obvious has to go 20+ with 6 assists a night and the Bulls will make noise. If he doesn't, then it's just another NBA middling team with 40-42 wins.

He can't do that though. He can stretch a few games like that together but he's just not consistent enough to count on it. It was really a bad signing, he garnished that contract due to prospect, but he didn't live up to his potential.

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Listen to their postgame quotes and it will tell you all you need to know. Hate might be strong and obscures the point. Whether they "hate" him or not is irrelevant. They definitely don't like playing with him. You can tell by their quotes by reading between the lines

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so they hate him. i need drama in my sports. this is a pretty great story if they keep winning without him.

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If you're Lavine, these are "ouch babe" kind of quotes

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Great win against the Lakers last night, 8 different Bulls players scored in double figures. Ball was moving. There is no way Zach Lavine can ever step foot on the court in a Bulls uniform, ever again.

he's the first player to be the 4th one to ever win back to back exhibition dunk contests show some fucking respect.

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Yeah, I hope they have a trade in place and are just waiting until 1/15 to make it happen.

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