The big question: Who is gonna be the lucky Chicago girl to seduce Rose and get knocked up by him. Maybe even trick him into marriage. We've got some stone cold gold diggers in this city. You know they're all scheming for that big cash day from Rose. Juanita got to Jordan in short order.

Rose is Chicago's next big star. I'm rooting for Spaulding. Maybe it could be Jen Jen. Go get 'em girls. As we've said, Rose isn't the brightest guy. He's young and naive. Shouldn't be that tough. It's just who gets to him first.

There aren't many people who have to deal with the media regularly who are as untrained at doing this job as are athletes. That's especially true of 19 year old college freshmen, most of whom have probably never gotten any quality speaking instruction or media training. Don't their agents realize that their clients' lousy speaking skills and media persona will affect their marketing and endorsement earnings? How these agents don't understand this and get these guys training makes me question their competence.

Yeah Coast. But he's not coming off as a jack ass or a clown like Noah last year.

He comes off as a humble, shy kid. That stuff sells. He's 19. He wouldn't be polished even with media training. Let's not get worked up cuz he's not the best speaker. He's nervours and overwhelmed. Who wouldn't be at 19?

you took the words right out of my mouth beardown.

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At least he didn't break down and start crying and telling us how the scouting questions were too stressful.

I liked how he said he needs to be a leader. Shows confidence for such a young guy coming in.

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Look for Gordon to be shipped off in some package deal prior to the start of the season.

I'd keep Gordon and get rid of Hinrich.

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That's just what I was going to say. Gordon can still fill a role on this team, while Hinrich is redundant at best: you have Rose at the point, and a SG that can't shoot in Hughes and a SG that's undersized in Gordon.

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Yeah, at first I thought Hinrich and Rose could work together. But they probably should trade Hinrich. Maybe they keep him for Rose's rookie year and then trade him. But right now might be Hinrich's best value. His minutes will be cut next year so his worth will drop too.

I don't think Rose's poor communications skills will hamper his marketability. Hanley reported today that Rose is about to sign a $100 million endorsement deal with Nike.

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I think both Gordon and Hinrich will be gone by the trading deadline. The Bulls are not going to sign Gordon to a long-term deal, and as MITC said, Hinrich is now redundant. Thabo is the shooting guard of the immediate, if not the long-term future.

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I think they should consider it if Gordon will be reasonable. He can score, something the Bulls sorely lack. Also, he should be more effective with Rose now that Hinrich isn't pounding the air out of the ball next to him.

I would think they could effectively combine the minutes of Thabo and Gordon to utilize their respective skills.

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Hanley insisted their is some market for Heinrich? I don't know if it is the same Venues that are looking at Pappy, but I don't think so many people want him with his contract.

Gordon is another story. The Bulls only need to offer him $6M for a qualifying offer and I am pretty sure, that is all he will be offered. Reinsdorf did not appreciate him not taking the $50 M deal and then not acknowledging he screwed up. Deng, has admitted he should have taken it.

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Retaining Gordon will likely help the Bulls be good while preventing them from being great. I would get rid of him.

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He's the Bulls best scorer. I mean, say what you will, but that's just what it is. Are you talking about living and dying with Sefalosha, or making some sort of move to get a SG?

PS: what is this shit about only embedding 3 quotes within each other? Quote-nesting is a pastime of mine, damnit.

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I don't think a guy who can come in and score in bunches necessarily keeps you from being great. He would have a role and would need to be paid like a guy in that role. Maybe he won't accept that, I doubt he will. But, maybe given a year with Rose he could realize something about his place in the team.

I don't want him as a starting SG but I like what he could bring to the team. The Pistons were a great team and they had Vinnie Johnson.

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Is there any way we can get something out of Hughes with Rose running the point? He complained that he didn't have any plays run for him in Cleveland, and said that's why he took bad shots; perhaps with a competent PG he can get some higher percentage shots to go with his above-average defense.

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hughes can certainly be a good player...he was in Washington. but his best attribute was his aticipation in the passing lanes, he always got tons of steals but Washington's defense was one of the worst in the NBA. teaming with Rose may be a good defensive tandem. I'd still keep Gordon as a sixth man/instant offense/can't guard a tree stump...

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Thomas, Noah and Hinrich...I guess I'll be eating my Bulls tickets again this season...even Rose can't make that load of basura work

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My assumptions, based on Gordon's reported contract demands, are that Gordon perceives himself as an All-Star type player, that he will not accept a role as a 6th man, and that he certainly will not accept the salary of a 6th man. As a starter, Gordon will be instrumental in helping keep the Bulls out of the lottery, which appears to be their clearest path to acquiring another cornerstone for a future championship team, especially given Paxson's proven inability or unwillingness to make major trades.

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Hehe. Apparently I'm not the only one who wouldn't be disappointed if the Bull miss the playoffs again.

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The problem is that next year's crop of draft talent will be significantly worse than this years. The freshman class this year is not on the same level as this one was and unless the Bulls pull off a miracle in the draft lottery again and get a top 3 pick, they'll most likely get a role player at best.

I'm sure some good players will emerge, but there is no Beasley or Rose for next year. There may not even be an Eric Gordon.

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OK, but last year at this time, Derek Rose was not Derek Rose. A lot of things change in the span of a year....

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I think this is an excellent point. This time last year I knew about Beasley and that he was supposed to be a great player, but I had no clue that Rose would be the special player that he turned into for this year's draft.

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Plus, draft picks have trade value.

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I would argue that Derrick Rose was considered a future NBA star coming out of high school. He may not have been the consensus #1 pick at the time, but Gordon, Mayo, and Rose were all projected to have been top ten picks out of high school. Then you add in Beasley and Love and you had 5 freshman that would have been top ten picks one year earlier too. The order changed and some stock fell(Gordon) and some stock rose(Rose) but it was apparent at this time last year that these 5 players would all be highly coveted talents. The same depth does not exist in this upcoming class. That is why I said that the Bulls, unless they are able to luck themselves into a top 3 pick, won't significantly improve the team with a draft pick in the 7-12 range. This year, that could have gotten them Eric Gordon. Next year, that won't give them someone close to as good unless major improvements are made.

Now if they blew everything up, and had Rose and some new young players to build around maybe. I don't see how the Bulls are one of the 5 worst teams in the league next year, even if both Hinrich and Gordon are given away for nothing. Rose, Hughes, Deng, Gooden, and Thomas/Noah is good enough to finish 10 games below .500 in a weak Eastern Conference.

It's way, way, way too early to rely on this, but I've seen a 2009 NBA mock draft that predicts Chase Budinger to the Bulls at #9 next year. Chase Budinger is no cornerstone, but could be a solid contributor.

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A year ago Rose was considered a future top-ten pick, but certainly not a future #1 pick. There's a big difference there. So again, a lot of things change in a year. In any event, though, I would never suggest that the Bulls plan their future around a lower half lottery pick. I want a top 3 pick and think they should burn the roster down to position themselves properly for such an acquisition.

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Maybe not #1 but the 3 (Gordon, Mayo, Rose) were all considered closer to top 5 and Rose was coming on stronger than any of the others as looking like he might be the best of the 3. When he played with Gordon in summer ball, he was standout.

Also, while the order may have been debatable, all 3 were considered major talents. I agree with Rick. Next year's class is not nearly at that level and while things can change, I don't think they can change that much.

I don't think they need to burn it down. They have enough pieces to make some moves and maybe position themselves for a free agent that can make a difference down the road. I'd like to see what Rose can make these other guys look like before another rebuilding process begins.

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Rose may be a number one pick, but he's not a magician, so he won't be able to turn Deng, or Gordon into a core player. In my estimation, that means the Bulls absolutely need to burn down the roster, working through the draft and free agency to acquire the core player(s) they need.

As for next year's draft, I realize that it's not supposed to be as deep as this year's was. But if the Bulls are going to become a championship team, they need to create as many opportunities as possible to acquire a star. The only way to do that is to tear down the roster and take their chances in the lottery while simultaneously clearing as much cap space as possible. Deng, Gordon, Hinrich, Thomas and Noah are just a bunch of guys who can get you into the playoffs, but not much else. Their limitations are obvious, significant, and irreparable.

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