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I'm at the point where I'm starting to really dislike the LeBron and his attention whoring ways.


what connection does that have with the story you posted?

in any case, no way lebron resigns now that ferry is gone


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What does this have to do with Lebron wanting attention?


They are firing all the guys LeBron didn't like.


...he resigned


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What does this have to do with Lebron wanting attention?


They are firing all the guys LeBron didn't like.


...he resigned

....he resigned abruptly.

Which means he had 2 choices:
1. You're Fired
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Yep. LeBron is staying put... :(

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That and the interviews and recently asking Nike to make a shoe for every team his visits on his free agent tour. All of this makes him look like an attention whoring DB. I'm sure that's not what he is after. For a guy that hasn't won't anything beyond best pregame antics he seems to have his priorities in the wrong place. He doesn't look like a guy that cares about winning a title he looks like a guy that only cares about his celebrity.

You're an actor, you're not who you're depicted to be...

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is this anything new?
are you saying you don't want him on the Bulls anymore?


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Which means he had 2 choices:
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Yep. LeBron is staying put... :(


Which only proves how much he cares about winning a title. Nothing about the Cavs team screams championship next season and they don't have the flexibility to make any moves to bring in a star player to play with him. He will soon realize his attention whoring tour only made fans in multiple cities dislike him instead of just one.

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is this anything new?
are you saying you don't want him on the Bulls anymore?


It is for me. I won't go that far to say I don't want him but I'm starting to think that wouldn't be such a bad thing. He doesn't seem to take winning or his legacy as a player as serious as guys like Kobe and MJ did. He only seems to care about the fame that comes with it. Not sure if you can win championships with a leader like that.

The more I read about him the more I seem to get annoyed. I guess I'm just venting a little.

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What does this have to do with Lebron wanting attention?


They are firing all the guys LeBron didn't like.


You have stated several times that the Bulls should do whatever Lebron wants to get him to sign with them. Shouldn't the Cavs do the same?

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They are firing all the guys LeBron didn't like.


You have stated several times that the Bulls should do whatever Lebron wants to get him to sign with them. Shouldn't the Cavs do the same?


right....and he's also stated he's scared of ending up w/ Joe Johnson & Boozer....if the Bulls don't get Lebron and Wade stays put, that's likely what they're getting


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I couldn't care less about the NBA...but I would be shocked if LBJ stays in Cleveland.
Ok...thats enough NBA talk from me for a few years!

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What does this have to do with Lebron wanting attention?


They are firing all the guys LeBron didn't like.


You have stated several times that the Bulls should do whatever Lebron wants to get him to sign with them. Shouldn't the Cavs do the same?


They have. They've brought in all the players he wanted them to sign or trade for. It's really his fault they are in this position where they don't have the flexibility to make any moves. Now he wants all the guys who did everything he wanted gone and he wants to bring in more guys to do whatever he wants. I believe you will start to hear stories leak out about him very shortly. We all know most star players don't make very good GM's.

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UPDATE: Windhorst chimes in via Twitter with official word from Ferry.

He writes: "Danny Ferry tells the Plain Dealer he has resigned as general manager of the Cavs. Assistant GM Chris Grant will replace Ferry, whose contract was set to expire at the end of June. The decision to part ways was mutual. This was a late development. As of a few days ago Ferry was still intending to re-sign if a contract could be worked out."
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Last week, we touched on a report from Brian Windhorst of the Cleveland Plain Dealer that though Cavs GM Danny Ferry had yet to re-sign with the the team, it was likely he'd be back in in the role next season with a new contract.

But Johnny Ludden of Yahoo! Sports is reporting a different story on Friday. Ludden writes that Ferry is "close to parting ways with the franchise and that he "was disappointed about having to fire [former Cavs coach Mike] Brown, a close confidante from their days with the San Antonio Spurs."

It's been reported the decision to fire Brown came from owner Dan Gilbert, not Ferry.

Ludden reports that assistant GM Chris Grant is expected to assume the GM role when Ferry departs.

Ferry reportedly did have a good relationship with LeBron James, so it's possible his decision not to return could factor into LeBron's plans this summer.

Yet, Grant has functioned almost as a co-GM with Ferry for the last few years, according to Windhorst, so they could potentially be seen as interchangeable in LeBron's eyes.

There will also be those who will speculate LeBron and his camp actually weren't fans of Ferry and this lead to the mutual decision to part ways. As ESPN's Bill Simmons tweeted Friday afternoon: "Prediction for next few days: we'll learn that LeBron's camp was much more disenchanted with Ferry than anyone realized."

Whatever LeBron may be thinking with this latest shakeup with the Cavs, it's clear between the coach and GM that if he returns to Cleveland, he'll be doing so with a different power structure next season.
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They have. They've brought in all the players he wanted them to sign or trade for. It's really his fault they are in this position where they don't have the flexibility to make any moves. Now he wants all the guys who did everything he wanted gone and he wants to bring in more guys to do whatever he wants. I believe you will start to hear stories leak out about him very shortly. We all know most star players don't make very good GM's.


he asked them to trade for Ben Wallace and Wally Szczerbiak?


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They have. They've brought in all the players he wanted them to sign or trade for. It's really his fault they are in this position where they don't have the flexibility to make any moves. Now he wants all the guys who did everything he wanted gone and he wants to bring in more guys to do whatever he wants. I believe you will start to hear stories leak out about him very shortly. We all know most star players don't make very good GM's.


he asked them to trade for Ben Wallace and Wally Szczerbiak?


:lol: Not sure about Wally but he thought Ben would put them over the top. Just like Shaq and Jamison.

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They have. They've brought in all the players he wanted them to sign or trade for. It's really his fault they are in this position where they don't have the flexibility to make any moves. Now he wants all the guys who did everything he wanted gone and he wants to bring in more guys to do whatever he wants. I believe you will start to hear stories leak out about him very shortly. We all know most star players don't make very good GM's.


he asked them to trade for Ben Wallace and Wally Szczerbiak?


:lol: Not sure about Wally but he thought Ben would put them over the top. Just like Shaq and Jamison.


just being an ass :mrgreen:

i honestly thought Jamison would push them over the top....seemed like a good fit for them. shaq probably wasn't the best idea

but yeah you're right- it's the same problem the Wolves had with Garnett- his contract limited what moves they could make. they were able to bring a few aging veterans like Spreewell and Cassell like the Cavs did w/ Jamison and Shaq, but that's about it.

and while I still want him on the Bulls, I never really liked him to begin with and all this crap going on now would make it harder for me to root for him. and we haven't even reached the zenith yet, I'm sure there's much more to come. did he really need to be on larry king?


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:lol: Not sure about Wally but he thought Ben would put them over the top. Just like Shaq and Jamison.


just being an ass :mrgreen:

i honestly thought Jamison would push them over the top....seemed like a good fit for them. shaq probably wasn't the best idea

but yeah you're right- it's the same problem the Wolves had with Garnett- his contract limited what moves they could make. they were able to bring a few aging veterans like Spreewell and Cassell like the Cavs did w/ Jamison and Shaq, but that's about it.

and while I still want him on the Bulls, I never really liked him to begin with and all this crap going on now would make it harder for me to root for him. and we haven't even reached the zenith yet, I'm sure there's much more to come. did he really need to be on larry king?


No. He wasn't even ready for it either. His camp doesn't appear to be very bright.

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No. He wasn't even ready for it either. His camp doesn't appear to be very bright.


Agreed....


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After doing some more digging, Brian Windhorst of the Cleveland Plain Dealer reports via Twitter that Gilbert has discussed the framework of a deal with Izzo.

"Sources: Dan Gilbert has discussed framework of massive contract with Tom Izzo, up to five years at around $6 million a years," he tweets. "Offer may not be formalized, but heard there's many perks including free use of a private jet."

Again, we'll stress that nothing here is formal yet, and that Izzo would likely want some assurance LeBron James will be around next season. But such an offer would be about double what he makes at Michigan State per year, making it a pretty sweet deal.
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It's been known for some time that Cavs owner Dan Gilbert could target Tom Izzo in his coaching search.

But speculation is gaining steam with this on Monday due to several reports.

Gilbert, who went to Michigan State, is seeking a big-name coach to succeed Mike Brown and the hope is hiring Izzo would convince LeBron James to stay in Cleveland.

Joe Rexrode of the Lansing State Journal contacted Izzo Sunday night and he responded via a text by writing the reports are "way more [baloney] than substance."

Adrian Wojnarowski of Yahoo! Sports adds this: "In talking to Izzo people, sense is Cavs franchise is too unsettled for him to leave Michigan State now. NBA intrigues him, but he's cautious."

Brian Windhorst of the Cleveland Plain Dealer notes on Twitter on Monday that "Michigan State AD tells the Associated Press the Cavs have not offered Izzo a contract. All of my sources tell me Izzo on list but Cavs still considering options."

And likely the bottom line on any Cavs potential coaching hire, again via Windhorst: "Everyone I talk to from candidates to agents to GMs to Cavs sources say they don't know how anyone takes job without knowing LeBron's status."

If Gilbert is unable to land Izzo, Milwaukee assistant Kelvin Sampson and former Hornets and Nets coach Byron Scott are two possibilities.

ESPN's Marc Stein has more on this:

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Tom Izzo is a great college coach, and even with all his success probably the most underrated college coach in the game(better than Roy Williams and Calipari and arguably better than Coach K now). I don't think the NBA is going to work well for him though. In recent years he's seemed to clash with his star players.

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I believe Larry Brown might end up there if Gilbert can swindle the Raptors or Suns to get LeBron to stay.

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That's one difference between Michael and Lebron.

Michael Jordan hated Jerry Krause but he realized Jerry did a good job and was most likely to be the person to help him win a title so he never insisted Reinsdorf fire him.

Of course now he has proven himself to be a total scumbag with his comments. I thought he would grow up now that he was in management himself (not that he does any work) but he hasn't.


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When was the last time Peter Vecsey was right about anything? There is so much bull in this article you can smell it in Israel. First LeBron wouldn't take 3 years because the new CBA will likely cut players salaries. Next why would he go to Brooklyn just because Jay Z is there? The Nets may be coming off another 12 win season. Then the Clippers rumor is just ridiculous. Vecsey hasn't had a valid thought since about '93, '94. About the year that Big and Mag dropped and "Illmatic" rocked outta every rag drop and the West had it locked...



An appreciably well-wired roundball entrepreneur believes LeBron James will re-up with the Cavaliers for three years, a possibility he almost certainly would not entertain had Mike Brown been retained -- something GM Danny Ferry fiercely advocated doing, hence his resignation.

Should no championships be churned out during that time frame, my source is convinced LBJ will bolt for Jay-Z's Brooklyn with a clear conscience, figuring he gave Cleveland a full decade.

With that in mind, it's hardly surprising to read Michigan-melded Dan Gilbert supposedly reached out to Michigan State's Tom Izzo. Obviously, the owner hopes to manufacture a multitude of incentives, beginning with an adored coach and pray LeBron finds him irresistible.

Of course, why would Izzo, John Calipari, Tubby Smith (would turn pro in a jiffy, I'm informed if presented the opportunity and he meets David Stern's age requirement) or any college/NBA person owning a reputable job and solid leverage get suckered into hooking up with a collection of Cavs minus its marquee?

After all, while Gilbert is attempting to line up his lures in a row, others are busy trying to tempt Odysseus, err, LeBron with ingeniously decked-out sirens that are bound to have the Cavs and the competition screaming "conspiracy" and guaranteed to push cap circumvention to its legal limit.

Here's a perfect example of the wily maneuvering already in the DreamWorks:

An impeccable source reveals David Geffen is hot to buy 51 percent of the Clippers. Friday night, the billionaire co-founder of the zaftig film-making company, had dinner in Los Angeles with Donald Sterling to discuss just that.

Anybody who knows Sterling can't imagine him selling controlling interest of anything he owns, much less turn over the decision-making of his showcase property.

"He'll take the Clippers to the grave with him," is the considered opinion of one and all. "They're his entree to Hollywood's galaxy of stars. You have no idea how Donald gets off swaying on the sidelines with demi-celebrities 41 nights a year."

For the sake of argument, surely Sterling must understand, by giving way to Geffen, his constellation, which often IS dying in the corner of the sky, would greatly illuminate and increase in value -- should the record-company big shot be able to recruit LeBron like he signed Bob Dylan and the Eagles.



Maverick Carter, who sits at the right hand of James in all business ventures, was next to the Lakers' bench alongside Geffen.

Meanwhile, Saturday night, Stern and Sterling had dinner. The first topic of conversation had to concern the owner's payment stoppage to Mike Dunleavy after he was fired as GM long after being let go as coach.

To date, the Clippers have not furnished grounds for such action nor has an arbitration date been set. At least one high-profile member of the coach's association, which filed a potent grievance with Stern, is encouraging a boycott of the franchise.


Sources disclosed Stern is angry Sterling again has embarrassed the league. Apparently, he's been promised the situation soon will be resolved, and that Dunleavy will get his money (nearly $6M) over the length of his contract that has one year remaining.

I don't know this for a fact, but my source suggested Stern's meeting "more likely centered on whether Sterling would be willing to sell 49 percent of the team and how much it'd take for him to give up control."

No immediate comment from either LeBron or Larry King on any of this.

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It is for me. I won't go that far to say I don't want him but I'm starting to think that wouldn't be such a bad thing. He doesn't seem to take winning or his legacy as a player as serious as guys like Kobe and MJ did. He only seems to care about the fame that comes with it. Not sure if you can win championships with a leader like that.

The more I read about him the more I seem to get annoyed. I guess I'm just venting a little.


Some of us have thought this for awhile now, only to be called LeBron-haters. Glad you're coming around on him.

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I believe Larry Brown might end up there if Gilbert can swindle the Raptors or Suns to get LeBron to stay.


I'm thinking Larry Brown is dying for Phil to leave LA.

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I believe Larry Brown might end up there if Gilbert can swindle the Raptors or Suns to get LeBron to stay.


I'm thinking Larry Brown is dying for Phil to leave LA.


That's interesting. He said he would only coach for MJ. You don't think Shaw is next in line? I'm surprised Larry Brown has been married long because of his commitment issues.

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are you saying you don't want him on the Bulls anymore?


It is for me. I won't go that far to say I don't want him but I'm starting to think that wouldn't be such a bad thing. He doesn't seem to take winning or his legacy as a player as serious as guys like Kobe and MJ did. He only seems to care about the fame that comes with it. Not sure if you can win championships with a leader like that.

The more I read about him the more I seem to get annoyed. I guess I'm just venting a little.


Some of us have thought this for awhile now, only to be called LeBron-haters. Glad you're coming around on him.


I've sort of been a LeBron hater for a while. I'm a Kobe ALer. I jumped on after watching Kobe run around the court like MJ on most nights with the Wizards. Plus I wanted him to come here.

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I believe Larry Brown might end up there if Gilbert can swindle the Raptors or Suns to get LeBron to stay.


I'm thinking Larry Brown is dying for Phil to leave LA.


That's interesting. He said he would only coach for MJ. You don't think Shaw is next in line? I'm surprised Larry Brown has been married long because of his commitment issues.


I dont know about Shaw. I guess that might work. Not sure if Kobe respects him as a coach. He tuned out Rudy T pretty damn quick, which I was sorta surprised by. You can already tell Kobe feels like he has outgrown the need for Phil. I think you need to bring in the most respected voice you can if you lowball Phil(a horrible idea by the Lakers btw). That's Larry in a landslide.

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I've sort of been a LeBron hater for a while. I'm a Kobe ALer. I jumped on after watching Kobe run around the court like MJ on most nights with the Wizards. Plus I wanted him to come here.


You're not the only one who sold Kobe short. I've always disliked LeBron. Since Wade is definitely not coming here, I'm kinda torn on this summer.

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 Post subject: Re: LEBRON TO CHICAGO?
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I dont know about Shaw. I guess that might work. Not sure if Kobe respects him as a coach. He tuned out Rudy T pretty damn quick, which I was sorta surprised by. You can already tell Kobe feels like he has outgrown the need for Phil. I think you need to bring in the most respected voice you can if you lowball Phil(a horrible idea by the Lakers btw). That's Larry in a landslide.


ShawShaq Redemption? I can see that. As long as Kobe is winning I don't think he will cause problems. I agree Brown would be the best option if Phil left.

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