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I never would’ve noticed the size of the mitts on Elton Brand’s mom if it weren’t for Krause .


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He was an asshole who could’ve been a lot more successful if he was half as smart as he thought he was.


He was an asshole but he was pretty damn successful. He found spot up shooters all the damn time.

:lol: That’s not really hard to do. He inherited the GOAT and made a few really good moves, most importantly the Pippen one. Who knows how successful he would’ve been if he didn’t blow that up.


Jordan wasn't goat when Krause came on board. The few really good moves you mean are two different teams that won three rings each.


Jordan had only been in the league for a year when Krause came aboard.

Tell that to FF. Dude thinks Jordan was destined for greatness while still in the womb.

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I remember when Krause foolishly believed that Tyson Chandler was going to be the 2nd coming of Kevin Garnett. He was that bad at scouting players.

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He was an asshole who could’ve been a lot more successful if he was half as smart as he thought he was.


He was an asshole but he was pretty damn successful. He found spot up shooters all the damn time.

:lol: That’s not really hard to do. He inherited the GOAT and made a few really good moves, most importantly the Pippen one. Who knows how successful he would’ve been if he didn’t blow that up.


Jordan wasn't goat when Krause came on board. The few really good moves you mean are two different teams that won three rings each.


Jordan had only been in the league for a year when Krause came aboard.

Tell that to FF. Dude thinks Jordan was destined for greatness while still in the womb.

Read the sequence again. You seem to have a comprehension problem here.

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Those drafts sucked but Chandler was actually a good player. Has had a great career.

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veganfan21 wrote:
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He was an asshole who could’ve been a lot more successful if he was half as smart as he thought he was.


He was an asshole but he was pretty damn successful. He found spot up shooters all the damn time.

:lol: That’s not really hard to do. He inherited the GOAT and made a few really good moves, most importantly the Pippen one. Who knows how successful he would’ve been if he didn’t blow that up.


Jordan wasn't goat when Krause came on board. The few really good moves you mean are two different teams that won three rings each.


Jordan had only been in the league for a year when Krause came aboard.

Tell that to FF. Dude thinks Jordan was destined for greatness while still in the womb.


He wasn't regarded as the greatest of all time by that point but everyone knew that he was special. They knew that after the 84 Olympics. There was no doubt after that.

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Read the sequence again. You seem to have a comprehension problem here.


You said he inherited the goat. Jordan wasn't goat at the time.

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Read the sequence again. You seem to have a comprehension problem here.


You said he inherited the goat. Jordan wasn't goat at the time.

Yes he was. We didn’t know it at the time but he did inherit the GOAT. And even if you want to nitpick semantics he still inherited Michael Jordan who was instantly one of the most talented players in the league when Krause inherited him.

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Those drafts sucked but Chandler was actually a good player. Has had a great career.


Nah he screwed some of those up. Could have had Gasol. The Twin Tower thing could have worked but there was only one problem. Both Curry and Chandler were Centers. He thought Chandler was going to be this versatile PF with Small Forward skills. Compared him to Garnett. In hindsight that's a terrible assessment.

Pair him with Gasol and he would have had something.

His drafts were terrible and as stated he wasn't the guy to discover Pippen either. He gets credit for it but that wasn't his work.

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Good GM but always wanted to be the greatest scout.



Yeah. He was like the modern fantasy player. He always wanted to find the guy no one else knew about. The problem with that is that 99 out of 100 times the reason no one knows about a guy is because he sucks.


Maybe 97 times out of 100. He liked Kukoc, Mcgrady and Pippen.


Add Phil Jackson to the list.


And Harold Baines.



Baines was Bill Veeck's neighbor.


Dunno about neighbor, but I thought about the Veeck influence right after I posted that. :oops: :lol:

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FavreFan wrote:
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Read the sequence again. You seem to have a comprehension problem here.


You said he inherited the goat. Jordan wasn't goat at the time.

Yes he was. We didn’t know it at the time but he did inherit the GOAT. And even if you want to nitpick semantics he still inherited Michael Jordan who was instantly one of the most talented players in the league when Krause inherited him.


You've got to build a team around him. Why did Garnett leave Minny? Why did Ray Allen agree to be traded from Seattle? They needed better teammates to win. Krause provided that to Jordan. Good GM.

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Those drafts sucked but Chandler was actually a good player. Has had a great career.


Nah he screwed some of those up. Could have had Gasol. The Twin Tower thing could have worked but there was only one problem. Both Curry and Chandler were Centers. He thought Chandler was going to be this versatile PF with Small Forward skills. Compared him to Garnett. In hindsight that's a terrible assessment.

Pair him with Gasol and he would have had something.

His drafts were terrible and as stated he wasn't the guy to discover Pippen either. He gets credit for it but that wasn't his work.


Maybe I'm misrembering things, but wasn't there word about him "finding" Pearl Monroe back in the day?

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veganfan21 wrote:
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Read the sequence again. You seem to have a comprehension problem here.


You said he inherited the goat. Jordan wasn't goat at the time.

Yes he was. We didn’t know it at the time but he did inherit the GOAT. And even if you want to nitpick semantics he still inherited Michael Jordan who was instantly one of the most talented players in the league when Krause inherited him.


You've got to build a team around him. Why did Garnett leave Minny? Why did Ray Allen agree to be traded from Seattle? They needed better teammates to win. Krause provided that to Jordan. Good GM.

I’ve already given him credit for the Pippen move and a couple others. He was an ok GM. His failure stands out as much as his success and that’s completely on him.

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FavreFan wrote:
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veganfan21 wrote:
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Read the sequence again. You seem to have a comprehension problem here.


You said he inherited the goat. Jordan wasn't goat at the time.

Yes he was. We didn’t know it at the time but he did inherit the GOAT. And even if you want to nitpick semantics he still inherited Michael Jordan who was instantly one of the most talented players in the league when Krause inherited him.


You've got to build a team around him. Why did Garnett leave Minny? Why did Ray Allen agree to be traded from Seattle? They needed better teammates to win. Krause provided that to Jordan. Good GM.

I’ve already given him credit for the Pippen move and a couple others. He was an ok GM. His failure stands out as much as his success and that’s completely on him.


Well I assume you're talking about post-Jordan. He did the right thing by accumulating as many draft picks as possible. Who knew it would coincide with the worst draft pools in recent history. 2000 - 2002 were pretty bad and that's when we had about maybe 6 lottery picks or so. The best rookie from that class was gasol I think and I'm not sure if we had a shot at him. I can't remember another star from those classes. Might be missing someone obvious.

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Joe Orr Road Rod wrote:
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Good GM but always wanted to be the greatest scout.



Yeah. He was like the modern fantasy player. He always wanted to find the guy no one else knew about. The problem with that is that 99 out of 100 times the reason no one knows about a guy is because he sucks.


Maybe 97 times out of 100. He liked Kukoc, Mcgrady and Pippen.


Add Phil Jackson to the list.


And Harold Baines.



Baines was Bill Veeck's neighbor.

:lol: Did Krause really try to take credit for that?


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Those drafts sucked but Chandler was actually a good player. Has had a great career.


Nah he screwed some of those up. Could have had Gasol. The Twin Tower thing could have worked but there was only one problem. Both Curry and Chandler were Centers. He thought Chandler was going to be this versatile PF with Small Forward skills. Compared him to Garnett. In hindsight that's a terrible assessment.

Pair him with Gasol and he would have had something.

His drafts were terrible and as stated he wasn't the guy to discover Pippen either. He gets credit for it but that wasn't his work.


Maybe I'm misrembering things, but wasn't there word about him "finding" Pearl Monroe back in the day?


Can't remember that one but he may have

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veganfan21 wrote:
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veganfan21 wrote:
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Read the sequence again. You seem to have a comprehension problem here.


You said he inherited the goat. Jordan wasn't goat at the time.

Yes he was. We didn’t know it at the time but he did inherit the GOAT. And even if you want to nitpick semantics he still inherited Michael Jordan who was instantly one of the most talented players in the league when Krause inherited him.


You've got to build a team around him. Why did Garnett leave Minny? Why did Ray Allen agree to be traded from Seattle? They needed better teammates to win. Krause provided that to Jordan. Good GM.

I’ve already given him credit for the Pippen move and a couple others. He was an ok GM. His failure stands out as much as his success and that’s completely on him.


Well I assume you're talking about post-Jordan. He did the right thing by accumulating as many draft picks as possible. Who knew it would coincide with the worst draft pools in recent history. 2000 - 2002 were pretty bad and that's when we had about maybe 6 lottery picks or so. The best rookie from that class was gasol I think and I'm not sure if we had a shot at him. I can't remember another star from those classes. Might be missing someone obvious.


Gasol Chandler and Curry were 2 3 4. He had the 2nd and 4th picks that year and decided to go Chandler Curry. He also miscast Crawford as a 6'6 point guard. He wasn't.

Brand and Artest were solid picks but he should have drafted Baron Davis ahead of Brand. I actually called Bernstein's show and advocated for that move to be made. Drafted Fizer on the word of Floyd. I don't blame him for Jay Williams. That was the correct move but he screwed up by having him in some idiotic competition with Crawford and Jalen Rose. Neither of whom played his position.

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veganfan21 wrote:
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Read the sequence again. You seem to have a comprehension problem here.


You said he inherited the goat. Jordan wasn't goat at the time.

Yes he was. We didn’t know it at the time but he did inherit the GOAT. And even if you want to nitpick semantics he still inherited Michael Jordan who was instantly one of the most talented players in the league when Krause inherited him.


You've got to build a team around him. Why did Garnett leave Minny? Why did Ray Allen agree to be traded from Seattle? They needed better teammates to win. Krause provided that to Jordan. Good GM.


Everyone needs better teammates to win but Krause only ever provided one that made a difference. Two if you count Rodman. There wasn't much orchestrating required for that. None of the other pieces were instrumental.

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Yeah. He was like the modern fantasy player. He always wanted to find the guy no one else knew about. The problem with that is that 99 out of 100 times the reason no one knows about a guy is because he sucks.


Maybe 97 times out of 100. He liked Kukoc, Mcgrady and Pippen.


Add Phil Jackson to the list.


And Harold Baines.



Baines was Bill Veeck's neighbor.

:lol: Did Krause really try to take credit for that?


He was always referred to in his drafting. Veeck probably didn't care.

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The position battles are not on him that's on the coach. Brand was a solid pick I don't think he made a mistake there. Arrest was obviously a solid pick. Maybe best value in the draft in retrospect. He traded for Chandler he didn't draft him so I'm not sure if he actually had a shot at Gasol. The fizer pick made no sense at the time since we already had brand. I read somewhere that he picked fizer after a draft day deal fell through but don't remember. But again it's not like he missed out on a star in that draft. The classes were terrible.

Crawford had a great career. Definitely worthy of the pick.

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Those drafts sucked but Chandler was actually a good player. Has had a great career.


Nah he screwed some of those up. Could have had Gasol. The Twin Tower thing could have worked but there was only one problem. Both Curry and Chandler were Centers. He thought Chandler was going to be this versatile PF with Small Forward skills. Compared him to Garnett. In hindsight that's a terrible assessment.

Pair him with Gasol and he would have had something.

His drafts were terrible and as stated he wasn't the guy to discover Pippen either. He gets credit for it but that wasn't his work.


Maybe I'm misrembering things, but wasn't there word about him "finding" Pearl Monroe back in the day?


I think Chet Walker was a Krause discovery as I recall. Could be wrong though

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long time guy wrote:
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veganfan21 wrote:
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Read the sequence again. You seem to have a comprehension problem here.


You said he inherited the goat. Jordan wasn't goat at the time.

Yes he was. We didn’t know it at the time but he did inherit the GOAT. And even if you want to nitpick semantics he still inherited Michael Jordan who was instantly one of the most talented players in the league when Krause inherited him.


You've got to build a team around him. Why did Garnett leave Minny? Why did Ray Allen agree to be traded from Seattle? They needed better teammates to win. Krause provided that to Jordan. Good GM.


Everyone needs better teammates to win but Krause only ever provided one that made a difference. Two if you count Rodman. There wasn't much orchestrating required for that. None of the other pieces were instrumental.


All of them were instrumental. Kukoc saved the bulls in 1998 when Pippen got hurt in the beginning. Without Kukoc they don't win 5 and 6. He was the x factor.

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Krause = one great draft pick (or trade for the pick) and one great FA signing (Rodman).

Replaced Jordan with Pete Myers.

Scouted Kenny Williams in baseball. Enough said!


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Those drafts sucked but Chandler was actually a good player. Has had a great career.


Nah he screwed some of those up. Could have had Gasol. The Twin Tower thing could have worked but there was only one problem. Both Curry and Chandler were Centers. He thought Chandler was going to be this versatile PF with Small Forward skills. Compared him to Garnett. In hindsight that's a terrible assessment.

Pair him with Gasol and he would have had something.

His drafts were terrible and as stated he wasn't the guy to discover Pippen either. He gets credit for it but that wasn't his work.


Maybe I'm misrembering things, but wasn't there word about him "finding" Pearl Monroe back in the day?


I think Chet Walker was a Krause discovery as I recall. Could be wrong though

Wasn't Walker a highly-regarded player on a high-profile team at Bradley?


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tommy wrote:
Krause = one great draft pick (or trade for the pick) and one great FA signing (Rodman).

Replaced Jordan with Pete Myers.

Scouted Kenny Williams in baseball. Enough said!


He didn't sign Rodman he traded for him. He drafted Armstrong, Grant, Pippen, Williams, and Kukoc. All instrumental pieces.

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Krause = one great draft pick (or trade for the pick) and one great FA signing (Rodman).

Replaced Jordan with Pete Myers.

Scouted Kenny Williams in baseball. Enough said!


He didn't sign Rodman he traded for him. He drafted Armstrong, Grant, Pippen, Williams, and Kukoc. All instrumental pieces.

Whatever.

Armstrong was good. Harper was good. Kukoc....did what 30 other players in the league could have done.


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