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Hey besides the triple single, he was also the only starter with a negative +/- for the game.


But I have been frequently told (by guys on here anyway) that this is a rather meaningless stat.

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 Post subject: Re: 2022-23 Bulls Season
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I have been a supporter of the kid, but things are not looking good. Had to battle for even a starting spot with an average player. First game is a no show. We can blame Donovan for how he uses him, but the kid has to show some aggression. Looking more and more like a bust.


I will give him til the end of the season before I reevaluate him as a player. He has to come on with it but the way he has been used sucks. They put the ball in his hands (in the middle of the floor whenever both Derozan and Lavine sit and then have him stand in the corner waiting for corner 3 kickoff passes whenever they play.

Since he has been in the NBA they have never used him as if he were a #4 pick in the draft. They use him as if he is a role player which is stupid imo

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He wasn't even good enough to start in college not sure what people were expecting


That means nothing. Scotty Barnes didn't start either. It's sort of what Hamilton does with freshman at FSU.

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 Post subject: Re: 2022-23 Bulls Season
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If you are a stud you start...these college coaches wanna win..you think Nick Smith at Arkansas is going to come off the bench this year? GTFO with that bullshit.


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If you are a stud you start...these college coaches wanna win..you think Nick Smith at Arkansas is going to come off the bench this year? GTFO with that bullshit.


CB you have to brush up on your basketball "information" just a little. Its a well known fact that Leonard Hamilton doesn't really start freshman at FSU. Even his "stud" Freshman.

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 Post subject: Re: 2022-23 Bulls Season
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I have been a supporter of the kid, but things are not looking good. Had to battle for even a starting spot with an average player. First game is a no show. We can blame Donovan for how he uses him, but the kid has to show some aggression. Looking more and more like a bust.


I will give him til the end of the season before I reevaluate him as a player. He has to come on with it but the way he has been used sucks. They put the ball in his hands (in the middle of the floor whenever both Derozan and Lavine sit and then have him stand in the corner waiting for corner 3 kickoff passes whenever they play.

Since he has been in the NBA they have never used him as if he were a #4 pick in the draft. They use him as if he is a role player which is stupid imo

OK, Link. Sell me on the 2022-23 Chicago Bulls. Do they make the playoffs? Do I want to invest any of my time watching these guys? I tried last year, but once Grayson Allen mangled Caruso....they were hard to watch.

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 Post subject: Re: 2022-23 Bulls Season
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OK, Link. Sell me on the 2022-23 Chicago Bulls. Do they make the playoffs? Do I want to invest any of my time watching these guys? I tried last year, but once Grayson Allen mangled Caruso....they were hard to watch.


Yes they do provided their main guys are healthy. Their starting 5 (with Lonzo) is solid and probably top 5 in the conference. They have upgraded their bench significantly with the additions of Drummond and Dragic too. That was their biggest weakness last season. I'm not much of a Lonzo fan but he is the best point on the roster. Ordinarily it would be Goran but at 36 he won't be able to go more than 20 minutes on most nights.

I'm not buying the stuff with Lavine and "load management". Watching him in the preseason it was obvious that he wasn't moving the same. They downplayed it by claiming that it "only the preseason" and thus he really didn't want to go all that hard. The key to all of this is Williams. If he becomes a "stud" (like I believe he will be) lthen this team becomes special. If he doesn't then they will only be merely above average at best.

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 Post subject: Re: 2022-23 Bulls Season
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I have been a supporter of the kid, but things are not looking good. Had to battle for even a starting spot with an average player. First game is a no show. We can blame Donovan for how he uses him, but the kid has to show some aggression. Looking more and more like a bust.


I will give him til the end of the season before I reevaluate him as a player. He has to come on with it but the way he has been used sucks. They put the ball in his hands (in the middle of the floor whenever both Derozan and Lavine sit and then have him stand in the corner waiting for corner 3 kickoff passes whenever they play.

Since he has been in the NBA they have never used him as if he were a #4 pick in the draft. They use him as if he is a role player which is stupid imo

I had high hopes for PW, but it's on him to prove he belongs. In his 1st 2 seasons, excuses such as "he was young and needed time to adjust to the NBA game" were plausible, but he hasn't shown anything to date that makes me think he'll suddenly figure it out. If he were dominating practice, summer league, preseason then I'd be open to the idea that it's on BillyD, but frankly that seems like a copout. I'm not going to write him off based on 1 disappointing game, but there's no way he gets the whole season either.

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The best case for PW is to become a very good 3 & D guy like Otto Porter. Why do you want the ball in his hands? He's not a great ball handler. Stand in the corner, hit your 3s and work hard on the glass to get 8-10 boards per game.


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The best case for PW is to become a very good 3 & D guy like Otto Porter. Why do you want the ball in his hands? He's not a great ball handler. Stand in the corner, hit your 3s and work hard on the glass to get 8-10 boards per game.


The guy has a handle but you will never see it as long as Billy D continues to use him like Otto Porter. And in his brief history he has demonstrated that he excels whenever you put the ball in his hands. The kid was a point throughout much of his career. He only moved off the ball once he had a growth spurt late in his high school career.

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The Lavine deal was horrible the moment he signed. It is going to cripple this team the next 5 years.

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 Post subject: Re: 2022-23 Bulls Season
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I believe in the NBA you can even move terrible deals as they are used to balance salary in trades. The Bulls need to blow it up and tank. I appreciate AK's shot at trying to backdoor a finals appearance without a true superstar, it might have worked if not for injuries, but there is no path forward anymore. He's a bright guy so I'd like to see what he can do in a pure rebuild.


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OK, Link. Sell me on the 2022-23 Chicago Bulls. Do they make the playoffs? Do I want to invest any of my time watching these guys? I tried last year, but once Grayson Allen mangled Caruso....they were hard to watch.


Yes they do provided their main guys are healthy. Their starting 5 (with Lonzo) is solid and probably top 5 in the conference. They have upgraded their bench significantly with the additions of Drummond and Dragic too. That was their biggest weakness last season. I'm not much of a Lonzo fan but he is the best point on the roster. Ordinarily it would be Goran but at 36 he won't be able to go more than 20 minutes on most nights.

I'm not buying the stuff with Lavine and "load management". Watching him in the preseason it was obvious that he wasn't moving the same. They downplayed it by claiming that it "only the preseason" and thus he really didn't want to go all that hard. The key to all of this is Williams. If he becomes a "stud" (like I believe he will be) lthen this team becomes special. If he doesn't then they will only be merely above average at best.

That's not a strong sales pitch :lol:

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OK, Link. Sell me on the 2022-23 Chicago Bulls. Do they make the playoffs? Do I want to invest any of my time watching these guys? I tried last year, but once Grayson Allen mangled Caruso....they were hard to watch.


Yes they do provided their main guys are healthy. Their starting 5 (with Lonzo) is solid and probably top 5 in the conference. They have upgraded their bench significantly with the additions of Drummond and Dragic too. That was their biggest weakness last season. I'm not much of a Lonzo fan but he is the best point on the roster. Ordinarily it would be Goran but at 36 he won't be able to go more than 20 minutes on most nights.

I'm not buying the stuff with Lavine and "load management". Watching him in the preseason it was obvious that he wasn't moving the same. They downplayed it by claiming that it "only the preseason" and thus he really didn't want to go all that hard. The key to all of this is Williams. If or 10 player". he becomes a "stud" (like I believe he will be) lthen this team becomes special. If he doesn't then they will only be merely above average at best.

That's not a strong sales pitch :lol:

DeMar on JJ called LaVine a "top 5 or 10 player". You kinda need legs to be a basketball player. There can be no Bulls sales pitch if LaVine has health issues.


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I have been a supporter of the kid, but things are not looking good. Had to battle for even a starting spot with an average player. First game is a no show. We can blame Donovan for how he uses him, but the kid has to show some aggression. Looking more and more like a bust.


I will give him til the end of the season before I reevaluate him as a player. He has to come on with it but the way he has been used sucks. They put the ball in his hands (in the middle of the floor whenever both Derozan and Lavine sit and then have him stand in the corner waiting for corner 3 kickoff passes whenever they play.

Since he has been in the NBA they have never used him as if he were a #4 pick in the draft. They use him as if he is a role player which is stupid imo

I had high hopes for PW, but it's on him to prove he belongs. In his 1st 2 seasons, excuses such as "he was young and needed time to adjust to the NBA game" were plausible, but he hasn't shown anything to date that makes me think he'll suddenly figure it out. If he were dominating practice, summer league, preseason then I'd be open to the idea that it's on BillyD, but frankly that seems like a copout. I'm not going to write him off based on 1 disappointing game, but there's no way he gets the whole season either.


The Kid also missed 65 games last season. He averaged 20 plus during his last 2 games of the Milwaukee series also. He dominated in the only Summer League he ever participated in and dropped 35 and looked dominant in the last game of the season last year too.

You can't have a guy that you claim to REALLY REALLY be counting on not touch the ball for the first 4 minutes of any game. Which is what happened last night and most nights. They can scream about "aggression" and there may be something to it, but its obvious that they do not call any plays for him or do anything to ever "get his game off" either.

Of all of the people on the roster he is still the dude with the most trade value. There is a reason for it and none of it pertains to his being a "bust" either.

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At some point, folks will stop believing DeRozan is going to fall on his face at 33. No one has a similar expectation for the older Durant.

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At some point, folks will stop believing DeRozan is going to fall on his face at 33. No one has a similar expectation for the older Durant.

No high end LaVine and he'll get worn down again


He's as hot as fish grease. I think he came into last season expecting to share the load or be a #2. This year, I think he planned to be our #1.

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OK, Link. Sell me on the 2022-23 Chicago Bulls. Do they make the playoffs? Do I want to invest any of my time watching these guys? I tried last year, but once Grayson Allen mangled Caruso....they were hard to watch.


Yes they do provided their main guys are healthy. Their starting 5 (with Lonzo) is solid and probably top 5 in the conference. They have upgraded their bench significantly with the additions of Drummond and Dragic too. That was their biggest weakness last season. I'm not much of a Lonzo fan but he is the best point on the roster. Ordinarily it would be Goran but at 36 he won't be able to go more than 20 minutes on most nights.

I'm not buying the stuff with Lavine and "load management". Watching him in the preseason it was obvious that he wasn't moving the same. They downplayed it by claiming that it "only the preseason" and thus he really didn't want to go all that hard. The key to all of this is Williams. If he becomes a "stud" (like I believe he will be) lthen this team becomes special. If he doesn't then they will only be merely above average at best.

That's not a strong sales pitch :lol:


Nah Lavine and Ball are still young enough to recover from whatever they have going on. And even if they do it still will be predicated on how the Paw turns out. He is the player with the most "upside" on the roster. That is why a number of teams are currently salivating over him in trade talks.

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I have been a supporter of the kid, but things are not looking good. Had to battle for even a starting spot with an average player. First game is a no show. We can blame Donovan for how he uses him, but the kid has to show some aggression. Looking more and more like a bust.


I will give him til the end of the season before I reevaluate him as a player. He has to come on with it but the way he has been used sucks. They put the ball in his hands (in the middle of the floor whenever both Derozan and Lavine sit and then have him stand in the corner waiting for corner 3 kickoff passes whenever they play.

Since he has been in the NBA they have never used him as if he were a #4 pick in the draft. They use him as if he is a role player which is stupid imo

I had high hopes for PW, but it's on him to prove he belongs. In his 1st 2 seasons, excuses such as "he was young and needed time to adjust to the NBA game" were plausible, but he hasn't shown anything to date that makes me think he'll suddenly figure it out. If he were dominating practice, summer league, preseason then I'd be open to the idea that it's on BillyD, but frankly that seems like a copout. I'm not going to write him off based on 1 disappointing game, but there's no way he gets the whole season either.


The Kid also missed 65 games last season. He averaged 20 plus during his last 2 games of the Milwaukee series also. He dominated in the only Summer League he ever participated in and dropped 35 and looked dominant in the last game of the season last year too.

You can't have a guy that you claim to REALLY REALLY be counting on not touch the ball for the first 4 minutes of any game. Which is what happened last night and most nights. They can scream about "aggression" and there may be something to it, but its obvious that they do not call any plays for him or do anything to ever "get his game off" either.

Of all of the people on the roster he is still the dude with the most trade value. There is a reason for it and none of it pertains to his being a "bust" either.


Quite a sample size you rocking there..didn't Tony Snell dominate the summer league too?


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Quite a sample size you rocking there..didn't Tony Snell dominate the summer league too?


Yeah and so did Devon Booker, Jayson Tatum, Kevin Durant and a # of other "great players".

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At some point, folks will stop believing DeRozan is going to fall on his face at 33. No one has a similar expectation for the older Durant.

No high end LaVine and he'll get worn down again


He's as hot as fish grease. I think he came into last season expecting to share the load or be a #2. This year, I think he planned to be our #1.

He's a "first there, last to leave" guy. I don't think it matters if his mindset is different. He's still going to get worn down if the Bulls plan on winning every possible game they can. So LaVine either has to be healthy or LTG's prediction needs to come true. Otherwise, you're looking at 6th through 8th.

That game last night was disjointed. Both sides kinda sucked. Except Rozie. He was money.


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At some point, folks will stop believing DeRozan is going to fall on his face at 33. No one has a similar expectation for the older Durant.

No high end LaVine and he'll get worn down again


He's as hot as fish grease. I think he came into last season expecting to share the load or be a #2. This year, I think he planned to be our #1.

He's a "first there, last to leave" guy. I don't think it matters if his mindset is different. He's still going to get worn down if the Bulls plan on winning every possible game they can. So LaVine either has to be healthy or LTG's prediction needs to come true. Otherwise, you're looking at 6th through 8th.

That game last night was disjointed. Both sides kinda sucked. Except Rozie. He was money.


Vuc and Ayo played well. Vuc didn't shoot it well but he glassed and rim protected well. Donovan has to get off this infatuation that he has with "small ball" and playing Javonte Green too. There isn't anything there. As soon as he entered the game Miami immediately started running post ups at him which led to a number of wide open 3's. They need a legit 4 to back up the PAW and Green isn't it.

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At some point, folks will stop believing DeRozan is going to fall on his face at 33. No one has a similar expectation for the older Durant.

No high end LaVine and he'll get worn down again


He's as hot as fish grease. I think he came into last season expecting to share the load or be a #2. This year, I think he planned to be our #1.

He's a "first there, last to leave" guy. I don't think it matters if his mindset is different. He's still going to get worn down if the Bulls plan on winning every possible game they can. So LaVine either has to be healthy or LTG's prediction needs to come true. Otherwise, you're looking at 6th through 8th.

That game last night was disjointed. Both sides kinda sucked. Except Rozie. He was money.


Vuc and Ayo played well. Vuc didn't shoot it well but he glassed and rim protected well. Donovan has to get off this infatuation that he has with "small ball" and playing Javonte Green too. There isn't anything there. As soon as he entered the game Miami immediately started running post ups at him which led to a number of wide open 3's. They need a legit 4 to back up the PAW and Green isn't it.


You know it could be they need a legit starting 4 and "PAW" isn't it. Also nicknames are earned - he can be called PAW once he actually shows us a thing or two.

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At some point, folks will stop believing DeRozan is going to fall on his face at 33. No one has a similar expectation for the older Durant.

No high end LaVine and he'll get worn down again


He's as hot as fish grease. I think he came into last season expecting to share the load or be a #2. This year, I think he planned to be our #1.

He's a "first there, last to leave" guy. I don't think it matters if his mindset is different. He's still going to get worn down if the Bulls plan on winning every possible game they can. So LaVine either has to be healthy or LTG's prediction needs to come true. Otherwise, you're looking at 6th through 8th.

That game last night was disjointed. Both sides kinda sucked. Except Rozie. He was money.


Vuc and Ayo played well. Vuc didn't shoot it well but he glassed and rim protected well. Donovan has to get off this infatuation that he has with "small ball" and playing Javonte Green too. There isn't anything there. As soon as he entered the game Miami immediately started running post ups at him which led to a number of wide open 3's. They need a legit 4 to back up the PAW and Green isn't it.


You know it could be they need a legit starting 4 and "PAW" isn't it. Also nicknames are earned - he can be called PAW once he actually shows us a thing or two.


The Paw may or may not be it. We will see. I still have no doubt that the kid will be a good to great player.

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Cut vuch now. He fucking sucks. Had like 1 good game last year. I hate him

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Wasn't Lauri Markkanen on the Bulls previously? He has the Jazz 2-0 with wins over Jokic and Gobert-KAT-Edwards. Thought Ainge was all about tanking for Jordan Walsh


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LaVine with a +/- of -19 in a Cavaliers rout.

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