Beasley 6'4 235 yeah way better than Fizer in 5 years be asken to clean me windows

I believe the pick will be Derrick Rose, but I don't consider this to be a lock. Both obviously would be great additions.

Noah is a tool, but he does fill a role on our team. He does have some skills, but he's really hopefully just a 30 minute a game role playing big man who can block some shots, and rebound.

I don't think they are trading the pick, and it would be extremely dissapointing if they were motivated on moving Hughes' bad contract over adding a potential star.

I was irritated when Paxson said he wasn't even watching the draft, instead in his bedroom doing "stuff". What kind of GM doesn't watch the lottery that his team is in, even if he isn't expecting a miracle?

If they take Rose as I expect, it does leave a lot of possibilities.

1. What happens to Kirk Hinrich? His contract goes down in value, and with the Bulls drafting Rose, that would seem to make Hinrich the odd man out. There are a lot of teams out there (perhaps a team like Washington or the Clippers) that would value a guard with the ability to handle the ball. Notice I did not refer to Kirk Hinrich as a point guard because I don't believe he is one - he can play that position, but I think he's more of a combo/hybrid guard.....On the other hand, although expectations will be high for Rose, realistically, I don't believe he'll be ready for a prime time role on Day 1. Keeping Hinrich could allow the Bulls to break in Rose a bit easier, and with the Bulls expecting to play a faster pace under Del Negro, they may decide to use both of these guys in the same backcourt.

2. Ben Gordon has an inflated opinion of his value. He turned down the 5 year, 50 million contract from the Bulls, and now I'm of the belief that most teams view him as a 6th man. I know all it takes is one team, but I don't think he'll be in a position to make more than what the Bulls offered him. I could be wrong, but let's see how this shakes out. I expect one of two things will happen with Gordon this offseason (in no order) - A) He signs a 1 year deal, which will make him an unrestricted free agent after next season, and allow him to search for his massive contract or B) Bulls sign and trade him (keeping Hinrich) this off-season for another big man (perhaps packaged with Nociioni).

3. Larry Hughes is going to be on this team unless they trade him for an equally frustrating player with a bad contract. If the Bulls run a fast offense, perhaps having a veteran like Hughes can be helpful, especially when/if Rose (assuming he is the pick) struggles.

4. Thabo Sefalosha is still in the mix, and I don't see anything more than another big guard off the bench. Sure he's willing to play defense, but that doesn't make him a NBA starter.

So, as we stand, Paxson has a lot of decisions to make - I expect either Gordon/Hinrich to be gone, but not both, and although I think Hinrich is more likely gone, Gordon's contract situation may make the Bulls rethink this.

Very interesting off-season starts soon.

I'm not willing to move down for Haslem....and then take another big man in Beasley.

With the 1st pick in the 2008 draft, the Chicago Bulls will select Crystal Lake Hoffney, ranked 3467 on the ESPN.com draft rankings.

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The Bulls will draft Beasley, because Mike North believes that's the better pick.

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I want Thablo playing as much as possible. IMO he has the highest celing of our guards. We know what Kirk, Gordon, and Hughes can do. When Thablo was given significant minutes last season, he produced at a pretty high level, averaging like 12 pts, 6 rebs, 3 asts, 2 stls a game and playing some damn good defense. I really think he can be a quality starter in this league.

I dont want Hughes to play at all. He's selfish, gambles way too much on defense and is therefore a liability on defense. He's also a terrible shooter. I would just bury him on the bench untill next season when his expiring contract becomes a coveted asset.

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No issue on Hughes not playing at all, but I do think they will find a way to make him part of the rotation, though not necessarily as a starter.

As for Thabo, I haven't seen enough that make me want to make him a starter, especially if they draft Rose. I like his defensive skills, but he's got a ways to go on the offensive side. Of course, if the Bulls do draft Rose, and trade Hinrich, which is a considerable possibility, Thabo could end up in the starting backcourt with Rose.

If they draft Rose, they probably will have to move either Gordon or Hinrich. I think they would like 4 guards (Thabo, Rose, Hinrich/Gordon, and Hughes) as part of the rotation.

I think Hinrich as value around the league. I don't consider him to be a true PG, but there are teams out there that can use a guard. Same goes for Gordon - he's basically a 6th man now, but he is a scorer. I think there is demand for that as well.

The Bulls are going to rebuild, but they won't call it that. Drafting Rose is giving them a change to remake their roster.

So......nobody else would take Hoffney?


That's why you mother's ain't no GM's........

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Aren't you also saying that the Bulls have a much bigger need for a PF than a PG? Isn't Kirk Hinrich the PG? You are saying that we have a "undersized 2 guard that can't shoot" playing the PG. We do however have Drew Gooden who seems to be a capable but not great PF.

Plenty of teams will want Kirk Hinrich and that's if the Bulls decide to trade him. Kirk Hinrich is a good player. He's just not a great player.

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My point is that you have attempted to argue that the Bulls should take Beasley because he fills a need, but then you trash Kirk Hinrich and basically call him worthless. It can't be both ways. Either Kirk Hinrich is good enough to be the starting PG for the next 10 years or PG is a position of need. If he's not good enough to get any value back in a trade, then he's not good enough to be the Bulls starting PG.

Throwing Larry Hughes out because he's not going anywhere, and you have a logjam of good but not great guards.

In my opinion, the Bulls have one position solidified. I think Luol Deng can be a very good second or third option at SF. Everyone else is replaceable and I'd honestly rather have Rose and Gooden(new contract?) over Hinrich and Beasley.

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No, Im still laughing at it. He wont ever be the third best player on a championship team.

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His contract is actually reasonable, and I don't think he's a bad player. If the Bulls take Rose, Hinrich either becomes an undersized shooting guard or trade bait. I think there are teams out there that would have interest. I mentioned a team like the Clippers previously.

I have said I want the Bulls to take Rose, but I am thinking more and more Beasley may be the better pick. I gotta say that NAS makes some good points. I think either way I am going to be happy. We get a really good player and hopefully will see the Bulls back contending soon.

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Hinrich's trade value doesn't go down because they draft Rose. Hinrich is still the same player, the Bulls just have a better one. The Bulls don't have to trade Hinrich if they draft Rose. They are just more likely to do it. If a team wants Hinrich, they will pay the same price they would have otherwise. The Bulls are just more likely to be willing to do it.

I mention the fact that the Bulls don't have the PG position solidified for the next ten years because when you are drafting #1 you should be drafting to get a player that can do just that. It doesn't really matter that the Bulls are slightly better off at the PG position than they are at the PF position. You want a franchise player at #1. Beasley may be that also, but you need to take the best player available regardless of a slight need. That's why Kirk Hinrich has no impact on my draft thinking. He's not good enough to figure in. Now if the Bulls had Deron Williams or Chris Paul then it's a different story.

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Yes, you did.

Undersized 2 guard that can't shoot is a bad player, especially given the fact that he's a PG.

The value does not drop because the Bulls have another guard. The player is just as good. The Bulls are just more willing to trade. They don't have to trade Hinrich. They may not even want to. He may end up being the shooting guard.

I don't buy the value dropping argument. The Bulls don't have to make a panic move. They can listen to offers and make decisions accordingly. When you buy a new car, your old car doesn't drop in value. You are just more willing to part with it, when you wouldn't have before. A team will calculate the value they place on Kirk Hinrich and be willing to trade accordingly.

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Let's not start acting like the league was banging down the door trying to get Hinrich or Gordon here. We couldn't get Pau Gasol with them. We couldn't get Kevin Garnett with them. No one made a trading line deadline deal to get them.

The Bulls don't have to trade Hinrich or Gordon. One of Hinrich, Gordon, or Hughes will start. Gordon is best as a sixth man anyways. If Rose isn't NBA ready like you say, then Hinrich and Hughes will be starting, with Gordon coming off the bench and Rose getting some other time.

I think the Bulls will end up making a trade, but a team that wants Kirk Hinrich or Ben Gordon will be willing to pay a fair market value. That value isn't huge after last season anyways.

What the Bulls get back will be dependent on whether 2 or more teams are interested in Hinrich or Gordon. If there is no market, then the Bulls won't get much back. If a few teams are interested, especially if the Bulls are willing to throw in another good player, then they'll get a lot back.

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Asking if anyone wants the steaming piles the Bulls have to offer is like asking Chicago radio station GMs if they're interested in signing Mike North to host morning drive - they're not.

Bulls trade Gordon, Heinrich, Thomas and 1st pick to various teams, eventually will take Mayo.

Bulls will take Rose. YOu cant pass on the PG in the NBA right now. YOu worry about the shitty trade value in guys later. Or you could pay some one to go home like Eddie Robinson.

I have a feeling Beasley will play good for a few years, get paid, do nothing, then dominate in a contract year and become useless again. ALa Tim Thomas. THats just how he comes off to me.

Beasley or Rose would be a great pick. Personally, I'm going on record saying Rose will be holding up the Bulls uniform.

I would expect Gordon to be S&T in the offseason. Moving either Hinrich or Hughes would be difficult due to their contract situations. Hinrich will be kept to help bring Rose along and play 1/2 longer term.

While the number one pick is great, I would have rather seen them get the 3rd pick and get Mayo or Brook Lopez.

No they dont. I would say you're seeing what you want to see, but I dont even know if thats the case. Its an absurd comparison anyway you look at it. David West is better in pretty much every facet of the game.

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Yes. If there is one thing about the Bulls talk I've been hearing/reading, is that people seem to have forgotten last season. It's as if it didn't happen. Suddenly, people are back to thinking this team is a role-player away from contending. I don't look at blowing the team up as an unfortunate but necessary consequent if you draft Rose, but an almost unavoidable first step to right the ship, regardless of who the Bulls draft.

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The Bulls may be a playoff team. They aren't a championship contender though. They are rebuilding. The Bulls are not one PF away from competing for a championship. They aren't a PG away either but I don't hear anyone calling for Rose because we have a need at PG.

We had fool's gold with the Bulls. They tried hard and outworked opponents. In the regular season, teams would not be willing to match the intensity level of them and the Bulls won games by playing hard. In the playoffs, teams took it up to the Bulls level and it was proven that the Bulls don't stack up.

I think the Bulls make the playoffs next year too, but they'll be sitting on the sidelines as the top teams in the East decide the representative in the finals.

The Bulls are joking with themselves if they don't think they are rebuilding. They should draft accordingly.

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I agree with your analysis, but disagree--preliminarily at least--with your conclusion about the Bulls' fate next season. I don't see how the Bulls will make the playoffs with Vinny "The Coddler" Del Negro at the helm. How will he be able to reinstill the work ethic the Bulls will need to propel them to the playoffs? Unless Beasley or Rose has an immediate, substantial impact, the Bulls will be watching the playoffs from home again in '09. Without knowing who Vinny's assistants will be, though, I find it difficult to commit to any predictions for the coming season.

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