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 Post subject: Re: Bulls/Kings
PostPosted: Tue Dec 22, 2009 11:42 am 
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when i woke up i thought i was still asleep and just dreaming or hallucinating. who are the kings? they have this rookie and what else? its a joke.

what vinnie should have done was take out most of the starters that had played the entire game and give them a 3rd quarter rest. theres no reason only SEVEN players should have played in a game that they led by 35 points in the 3rd. the starters just had to have run out of gas at that point


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 Post subject: Re: Bulls/Kings
PostPosted: Tue Dec 22, 2009 4:19 pm 
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Dr. Kenneth Noisewater wrote:
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I like the Ikester turned it off,and caught the 4th quarter in the am. Please tell me what Vinny could have done differently to prevent the outcome? Please let me know


Are you serious? He could have told them to work the clock and pass the ball instead of dribbling up the court, making one pass and shooting. Maybe you take Hinrich out at the end instead of watching Evans eat him up.

There's no excuse for losing a 35 point lead. None. That's about 16-20 perfect possessions where you don't do anything. If they had just held the ball for 24 seconds and not even taken a shot, they could have taken up 10 minutes of the game where the Kings would have to be perfect to make up 35 points. That's essentially a whole quarter that could have been eaten up without taking a shot and still not giving up a 35 point lead.

It's inconceivable that they could lose that game in as short of a period of time as they did. It's the freakin' Kings!!

So in Illini land passing the ball up court takes more time than dribbling. I get it :idea: the human fast break D. Brown.
Who would have you put on Ty??The talent isn't there and thats just it,Rose is a stupid friggin player .Noah is crap and look at the bench :shock: Maybe Dr. Ken Tolietnoisewater could coach this team better, for starters taking time off the clock by passing and not dribbling. You my sir are a boob :wink:

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 Post subject: Re: Bulls/Kings
PostPosted: Tue Dec 22, 2009 4:25 pm 
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What's very disturbing is that Joakim Noah, Luol Deng, John Salmons & Derrick Rose continue to log heavy minutes night after night, about 40 minutes or so apiece. Brad Miller has done NOTHING since replacing the foul-plagued Taj Gibson at power forward since Tyrus Thomas went down with the arm injury last month. Besides, why are Lindsey Hunter, Aaron Gray, James Johnson & Jerome James even on this paper-thin roster if you have ZERO use for these guys and are taking up salary space?


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 Post subject: Re: Bulls/Kings
PostPosted: Tue Dec 22, 2009 4:32 pm 
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I thought I was more clear than that Walt.

The issue wasn't dribbling up the court vs. passing up the court. It was passing on the offensive end and working the clock vs. dribbling directly up making one pass and taking a jump shot.

As for Hinrich, they lost the game long before he was abused at the end but how about flashing over a double team or putting a taller guy on him to try give him a different look. Salmons couldn't do worse, maybe move Deng over for a possession, something. No, it would be better to just let Hinrich play him in isolation all over the court over and over. No need to try anything else because that was really working.

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 Post subject: Re: Bulls/Kings
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Dr. Kenneth Noisewater wrote:
I thought I was more clear than that Walt.

The issue wasn't dribbling up the court vs. passing up the court. It was passing on the offensive end and working the clock vs. dribbling directly up making one pass and taking a jump shot.

As for Hinrich, they lost the game long before he was abused at the end but how about flashing over a double team or putting a taller guy on him to try give him a different look. Salmons couldn't do worse, maybe move Deng over for a possession, something. No, it would be better to just let Hinrich play him in isolation all over the court over and over. No need to try anything else because that was really working.

So not one person on the floor or bench know more than you :?: Now thats really sad :(

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 Post subject: Re: Bulls/Kings
PostPosted: Tue Dec 22, 2009 4:39 pm 
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giving up a 35 point lead to the lakers is still unacceptable. That said, people in this thread should realize the kings dont suck. I'm getting that implication in this thread.

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 Post subject: Re: Bulls/Kings
PostPosted: Tue Dec 22, 2009 4:41 pm 
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Walt Williams Neck wrote:
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I thought I was more clear than that Walt.

The issue wasn't dribbling up the court vs. passing up the court. It was passing on the offensive end and working the clock vs. dribbling directly up making one pass and taking a jump shot.

As for Hinrich, they lost the game long before he was abused at the end but how about flashing over a double team or putting a taller guy on him to try give him a different look. Salmons couldn't do worse, maybe move Deng over for a possession, something. No, it would be better to just let Hinrich play him in isolation all over the court over and over. No need to try anything else because that was really working.

So not one person on the floor or bench know more than you :?: Now thats really sad :(


It is. But maybe you're right Walt. There was no way to protect that 35 point lead against the Kings. It happens.

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 Post subject: Re: Bulls/Kings
PostPosted: Tue Dec 22, 2009 4:42 pm 
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Walt, you're an idiot.

Dr. Ken might not be a hoops guru, but he is right on this situation. If the Bulls would have ran the 24 second shot clock all the way down on every posession in the 4th quarter, they probably end up winning the game.

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 Post subject: Re: Bulls/Kings
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I mentioned a little while ago that the starters have been logging heavy minutes and that the Bulls haven't made a SINGLE ROSTER MOVE since Tyrus Thomas & Kirk Hinrich went down. Although Tyrus could be good to go Saturday night vs. Oklahoma City at United Center & Kirk has since returned, there are some who feel that Kirk might be risking serious damage to his thumb injured originally in Portland. As for Luol Deng, he's got a fractured left thumb originally injured before the Lakers' game last week at the U.C., but has been playing through it. Keep an eye on how much longer it'll be before Luol is sidelined...

Also, I read something last week about benching John Salmons in favor of Hinrich alongside Derrick Rose at the #2 guard. Regardless how much longer the Vinny experiment continues, or if Bernie Bickerstaff and/or John Paxson himself replaces VDN on the bench, you might want to bench Brad Miller at power forward instead...Also, enough with the damn jumpshots and drive to the damn basket!


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 Post subject: Re: Bulls/Kings
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Dr. Ken might not be a hoops guru,


Thanks Douchebag.

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 Post subject: Re: Bulls/Kings
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Douchebag wrote:
Walt, you're an idiot.

Dr. Ken might not be a hoops guru, but he is right on this situation. If the Bulls would have ran the 24 second shot clock all the way down on every posession in the 4th quarter, they probably end up winning the game.



So you (by the way Douchebag is so appropriate) expect them to move the ball without a turnover in the 4th
quarter,(which the did the 1st quarter) and I'm an idiot :lol: Maybe they go into the 4 corners :lol:

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 Post subject: Re: Bulls/Kings
PostPosted: Tue Dec 22, 2009 4:57 pm 
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If they would have thrown up a shot as the 24 second clock expired on every posession, they probably walk away with scoring the same amount of points (10), and they run alot more time off the clock. Yes, they may have a turnover or two but would they have turned the ball over substansially more than what actually happened in last night's game? Probably not.

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 Post subject: Re: Bulls/Kings
PostPosted: Tue Dec 22, 2009 5:21 pm 
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These players have excepted losing as a way of life, it's not Vinnies fault! Rose,Noah,Salmons,Miller,Deng whoever is the leader on the court or locker room? They let that happen to themselves and no one gives a rats' ass.I know high school kids who have more pride than these mopes! Instead of looking at VD look in the fucking mirror!Or maybe Franks or whoever Bernsie likes is the answer .......I personally think none of these players will be a starter on a CHAMPIONSHIP team :(

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