I am pretty cool but I accept everyone.

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You must be confusing me for guys you're arguing with in the politics section. I don't frequent that section regularly but when I do I see you're usually right in the middle of things. You've never wagered with me and I don't post for the adulation and acceptance of anyone. That's really bizarre you'd say that - I at times have contrarian views that place me at odds with MANY people.

Anyway you're not going to like this but my unsolicited advice would be to relax. There is usually a mixture of light heartedness to many posts here and definitely some seriousness and most guys maintain a healthy balance between the two. You however seem to be serious 115 percent of the time. And you seem to be sensitive to cliquishness, real and perceived.

As for Parker I don't care what Stacey King says and moreover I don't care about Parker generally. I do enjoy needling you about him but often you interpret my trolling as malicious when it's often light hearted. For the last time I am being genuine when I say all the power to you for watching bad Bulls teams. You're a good fan. I'll only watch when I feel like the stuff I'm seeing is entertaining to me. There is nothing inconsistent about me not watching the games and still commenting on bulls affairs. Like I've repeatedly said I'm always tuned into GM talk/rumors/etc. I'll put my thoughts on the Bulls up against anyone here, and I do think there are a lot of astute observers up in here. Except FavreFan.

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I never referenced politics. You profess not to care about the Bulls yet you constantly post and respond to comments in them.

Again save the psychoanalysis. Of the people that actually "live in the real world" I probably wouldn't be exaggerating to suggest that i am the most socially inclined.

Actually you are the guy being serious. Hypocritically you suggest this even as you disingenuously tell me to relax. I made a comment about Jabari being the best player in trade and somehow it became a "weird obsession".

Whatever the comment happened to be it wasn't directed at anyone yet you predictably used it as a means of personalizing it. If you really objected to the comment then simply object to the comment.

To be honest i don't even take the things you say serious at this point. I ignore it unless you directly take a shot.

As far as placing bets i tried on a few occasions just as a means of pulling your card. You aren't being truthful. When you started ducking them i knew you weren't a guy to take seriously.

I don't take this stuff all that serious. I simply state opinions. No different than anyone else here.

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This is so good I thought it was fake. Are we sure it's real?

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The only reason that i reference it is because i feel that it effects the interactions and level of discourse on here.

Piling on and selectively targeting guys simply because they have fallen out with someone that is part of the circle is so high schoolish to me. Thats what children do. Adults should behave differently. Particularly adult men. Its no accident that the guys on here that i tend to have the best interactions with are those that stand alone as posters. Guys that have their own opinion and do not simply parrot and champion the opinions of others all the time.

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I've been banging my head against the wall reading some defenses of this deal on RealGM and Reddit. I simply don't understand what this is supposed to accomplish and none of the justifications make much sense me.

"The Bulls actually got something good for Portis and Parker!"- Portis as an expiring deal could have been used to get draft assets or the all important cash considerations rather than locking the Bulls into an expensive contract. And the reason they couldn't get anything better for Parker is a direct product of their own handling of Parker so I'm not about to celebrate unloading him now rather than the end of the season when they had to ship a draft pick to do so.

"No one was going to come here in free agency so Porter's contract doesn't matter!"- I've been extremely vocal about the unlikelihood of anyone of decent talent coming to the Bulls, but once again this doesn't mean you therefore have to turn around and sink the assets and money into a guy who looks to be a mediocre third option at best on a winning team. And as much as I mock the commitment to cap flexibility, I don't think a player like Otto Porter Jr is what should make you throw it away.

"Porter fills a position of need!"- So would lots of guys, plenty of whom would be cheaper than him.

"Porter's actually really good and was underutilized in Washington!"/"Porter's not so good that he can derail the tank!"- I don't understand what quality level people are expecting from Porter and when. I guess the hope is he doesn't screw up the tank this year but the Bulls are magically in a position to win somehow in the next 2 seasons while he's still under contract and he can somehow contribute at that point? It seems to me to be an extremely narrow range and time table for Porter to not be too good too soon to screw up draft position but also not be so bad for so long that his contract isn't the albatross it was recognized as being in Washington. The fantasy that he'll become a valuable asset the Bulls can turn around and trade when they continue to suck seems extremely pie-in-the-sky to me.

The only reasons for this trade that I can sort of seeare that the Bulls didn't want to have to make a hard choice about Portis at the end of the season and that they wanted to be more competitive without winning games for the rest of the year. The former is an indictment on the front office's decision making and suggests they're happy to eat an awful contract for 2 years just to avoid the temptation of giving out one for 4-5 years. The latter would be the usual half measure accomplishment that has become regularly celebrated during the GarPax tenure.

It's maddening. Guys here can't put their finger on it and there's confusion online too, aside from a few guys on ESPN. These guys (Garpax) are really incompetent.

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Kyrie Irving will never win anything as a team's alpha: check
T.rubisky is a bust: check
Ben Simmons is a liability: check
The Fields Cult is dumb: double check

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It really does suck. Like I said on page 1, I feel like the transition to the Isaiah Thomas Knicks is complete. Just need a crazy sex scandal.

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so here's a hot take

Bulls roll the dice on Otto Porter, make their free agency splash in February

https://www.nbcsports.com/chicago/bulls/bulls-roll-dice-otto-porter-make-their-free-agency-splash-february



so because management/ownership is incompetent and unable to sign free agents... trading for a bad contract and hoping the player bounces back is equal to overspending on a mid-tier free agent.... yikes

So Happy I don't watch this shit show....Zach Lavine the next Randy Brown....company schill

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I'm going to bounce from the spot for awhile but I will be back at some point to argue with you about this hoops stuff again. Playoffs have been great this season. See ya up the road.

I'm out.

The only friend I have who I’m sure watches more basketball than I do and unfortunately for him, has watched a decent amount of Wizards this year, loves the trade. Loves Porter Jr. We’ll see. I can’t see this ending up good.

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At this time last year, most teams would have killed for Porter Jr on their roster.

Like that article said, this is the big acquisition. Props to GarPax for finally admitting their organization is so dysfunctional that no superstar will sign.

I'm 99% sure the Bulls are fucked regardless but this trade isn't the Armageddon FF is making it out to be. Lateral move at worst.

Not with that contract

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How is it a lateral move? They just tied up $55 million over the next two seasons after this one for a role player. Without the trade they could have used 1/3rd of that cap space and gotten an equal player to Porter Jr.

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If he can get back to being an elite 3 Point shooter it's not a bad contract. A 25 year old 3 and D wing, elite 3 point shooter is worth that money in today's NBA.

It's the new NBA, bums get 15 million a year.

You're like 5-10 years too late on that Bob. It hasn't dried up to MLB levels but the NBA doesn't hand out nearly as many dumbass contracts as it used to. The days of Mozgov and crippled Luol Deng getting 4 year $80 million dollar contracts are over and have been for a few years. Porter Jr's contract is one of the worst in the NBA. Hayward and Wall's are worse but it's not a long list til you get to his.

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I guess this means the Bulls are targeting Ja Morant in the draft if they don't get Zion. Only thing that makes sense considering every other possible pick at the top of the draft plays the same position as Otto Fucking Porter.

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It also shows how poorly the Bulls are coached. He was literally wide open under the basket and just kept going without even calling for the ball. Clearly whoever was holding it at the time wasn’t paying attention either.

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Bulls better get a top 2 pick then if they want either Morant or Zion.

Silly trade. Reeks of desperation. Jabari Parker is the best player in the trade. I'm cool with allowing Portis to walk but you don't tie yourself down with a guy that may have already played his best basketball in Porter. The worst part of what they are doing is that there isn't a plan. They aren't exhibiting any vision whatsoever. See what you have in the guy and if you don't see a fit move on. You trade for a guy that you are locked in for an additional 35 mil who happens to be a worst player. Just stupid.

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My math shows it to be about an additional $45M, but your point still stands. Though I believe Portis was the current best player in the deal.

Awful trade. No direction. This doesn't help you get younger in a structured rebuild. This doesn't help you compete this year or in the next couple of years. It makes no sense.

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Portis is a bench player. I don't think he will ever be more than that. I like him in that role but I don't think he wants to be in that role. Can't blame him as he is still young and being a young bench player hurts his earning potential.

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Portis WAS a bench player this year and last only because Markkanen plays the same position. He scores 14 points and 7 rebounds in 24 minutes. In starter's minutes, that would be 20 points and 10 rebounds. He also has a 1:1 assist to turnover ratio which is okay for a PF. He scores efficiently with a ~36% 3P shot and eFG% of 50%. That is a starter in the NBA. And he should be starting for the Wizards. We'll find out in a couple days.

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Warms my heart to see IMU going hard to defend Portis like this.

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He has been a bench player his entire career. When the Bulls started him earlier in the season he stunk. He is a terrible defender with terrible shot selection. His defense (or lack thereof) is better served playing against 2nd string players. He matches up better against them. Analytics are a terrible way to surmise what he might turn out to be.

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You defend Jabari at every turn here and have the balls to criticize Bobby's defense?

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Portis's defense is worse and he also is nowhere near the offensive player Parker is. Only thing he does better is Rebound.

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There's no possible argument to make that Jabari is a better defender than Portis. Jabari himself would laugh at that comment. That dipshit openly brags about not trying on defense. Bobby Portis isn't a good defender, mainly because he's not especially quick nor strong, but he's significantly better than Jabari at defense. LaVine is better than Jabari at defense. Jabari proudly does not try on that end of the court, and there have already been several very embarrassing clips from this year alone showing him falling asleep or completely out of position.

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