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 Post subject: Re: Patrick Williams
PostPosted: Thu Jan 09, 2025 11:09 am 
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At this point I don't know if he even had potential. He didn't start his one year in college. He was drafted 4th on potential potential.

Yeah maybe potential isn't the right word.

But he had all the tools to be a really good player. It just didn't work out. He does not have that drive in him to be good. I do agree that Billy D did not do him any favors.

It's still a grown man's league. This fits right into my Markkanen theory. Many people need some adversity to be self aware and get self discipline. Lauri's light bulb switched on mostly because the Bulls gave up on him. It's probable it doesn't if he stays.


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 Post subject: Re: Patrick Williams
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 Post subject: Re: Patrick Williams
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RFDC wrote:
KDdidit wrote:
At this point I don't know if he even had potential. He didn't start his one year in college. He was drafted 4th on potential potential.

Yeah maybe potential isn't the right word.

But he had all the tools to be a really good player. It just didn't work out. He does not have that drive in him to be good. I do agree that Billy D did not do him any favors.


He has game but to be great you have to be a little selfish sometimes. He passes up too many shots and isn't in attack mode all that often

He also might be a bit of a "tweener" offensively. We will never know because Small Ball Billy has always insisted on using him as a stretch four.

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 Post subject: Re: Patrick Williams
PostPosted: Thu Jan 09, 2025 11:55 am 
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The Doctor Of Style wrote:
RFDC wrote:
KDdidit wrote:
At this point I don't know if he even had potential. He didn't start his one year in college. He was drafted 4th on potential potential.

Yeah maybe potential isn't the right word.

But he had all the tools to be a really good player. It just didn't work out. He does not have that drive in him to be good. I do agree that Billy D did not do him any favors.


He has game but to be great you have to be a little selfish sometimes. He passes up too many shots and isn't in attack mode all that often

He also might be a bit of a "tweener" offensively. We will never know because Small Ball Billy has always insisted on using him as a stretch four.


The rebounding thing is what has always got me. He should be getting way more rebs a game. And yet he just doesn't. He goes through the motions

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 Post subject: Re: Patrick Williams
PostPosted: Thu Jan 09, 2025 2:17 pm 
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RFDC wrote:
The Doctor Of Style wrote:
RFDC wrote:
KDdidit wrote:
At this point I don't know if he even had potential. He didn't start his one year in college. He was drafted 4th on potential potential.

Yeah maybe potential isn't the right word.

But he had all the tools to be a really good player. It just didn't work out. He does not have that drive in him to be good. I do agree that Billy D did not do him any favors.


He has game but to be great you have to be a little selfish sometimes. He passes up too many shots and isn't in attack mode all that often

He also might be a bit of a "tweener" offensively. We will never know because Small Ball Billy has always insisted on using him as a stretch four.


The rebounding thing is what has always got me. He should be getting way more rebs a game. And yet he just doesn't. He goes through the motions

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His rebounding for a Small Forward (which is his natural position) are about league average.

The biggest problem for me is that Donovan never puts him position to do anything.

Game after game Sky King proclaims that aren't going to run any plays for him. Question is why? Donovan allows journeymen like THT to come in and do whatever the hell he wants but not the team's lottery pick and so called "future"?.
It makes no sense. But even with that Williams still has to be a player at some point and go get it for himself.
And he rarely shows that he has that level of aggressiveness or "dog" in his game

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 Post subject: Re: Patrick Williams
PostPosted: Thu Jan 09, 2025 2:21 pm 
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The Doctor Of Style wrote:
RFDC wrote:
The Doctor Of Style wrote:
RFDC wrote:
KDdidit wrote:
At this point I don't know if he even had potential. He didn't start his one year in college. He was drafted 4th on potential potential.

Yeah maybe potential isn't the right word.

But he had all the tools to be a really good player. It just didn't work out. He does not have that drive in him to be good. I do agree that Billy D did not do him any favors.


He has game but to be great you have to be a little selfish sometimes. He passes up too many shots and isn't in attack mode all that often

He also might be a bit of a "tweener" offensively. We will never know because Small Ball Billy has always insisted on using him as a stretch four.


The rebounding thing is what has always got me. He should be getting way more rebs a game. And yet he just doesn't. He goes through the motions

.
His rebounding for a Small Forward (which is his natural position) are about league average.

The biggest problem for me is that Donovan never puts him position to do anything.

Game after game Sky King proclaims that aren't going to run any plays for him. Question is why? Donovan allows journeymen like THT to come in and do whatever the hell he wants but not the team's lottery pick and so called "future"?.
It makes no sense. But even with that Williams still has to be a player at some point and go get it for himself.
And he rarely shows that he has that level of aggressiveness or "dog" in his game

Again, rebounding is something he can control. He has no interest in it. The thought never comes into his mind.


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 Post subject: Re: Patrick Williams
PostPosted: Thu Jan 09, 2025 2:25 pm 
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Nardi wrote:
The Doctor Of Style wrote:
RFDC wrote:
The Doctor Of Style wrote:
RFDC wrote:
KDdidit wrote:
At this point I don't know if he even had potential. He didn't start his one year in college. He was drafted 4th on potential potential.

Yeah maybe potential isn't the right word.

But he had all the tools to be a really good player. It just didn't work out. He does not have that drive in him to be good. I do agree that Billy D did not do him any favors.


He has game but to be great you have to be a little selfish sometimes. He passes up too many shots and isn't in attack mode all that often

He also might be a bit of a "tweener" offensively. We will never know because Small Ball Billy has always insisted on using him as a stretch four.


The rebounding thing is what has always got me. He should be getting way more rebs a game. And yet he just doesn't. He goes through the motions

.
His rebounding for a Small Forward (which is his natural position) are about league average.

The biggest problem for me is that Donovan never puts him position to do anything.

Game after game Sky King proclaims that aren't going to run any plays for him. Question is why? Donovan allows journeymen like THT to come in and do whatever the hell he wants but not the team's lottery pick and so called "future"?.
It makes no sense. But even with that Williams still has to be a player at some point and go get it for himself.
And he rarely shows that he has that level of aggressiveness or "dog" in his game

Again, rebounding is something he can control. He has no interest in it. The thought never comes into his mind.


He has some games where he goes to the glass and some when he does not. And again as SFs goes his numbers are league average or slightly below that. Which is hardly as bad as it is portrayed.
For me you cannot continue to avg the same pedestrian 10 ppg that you have avg every season of your career and ever think of being that dude. There are some reasons for that aside from him, but he still should have upped his avg by now from that.

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 Post subject: Re: Patrick Williams
PostPosted: Thu Jan 09, 2025 2:32 pm 
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Nardi wrote:
The Doctor Of Style wrote:
RFDC wrote:
The Doctor Of Style wrote:
RFDC wrote:
KDdidit wrote:
At this point I don't know if he even had potential. He didn't start his one year in college. He was drafted 4th on potential potential.

Yeah maybe potential isn't the right word.

But he had all the tools to be a really good player. It just didn't work out. He does not have that drive in him to be good. I do agree that Billy D did not do him any favors.


He has game but to be great you have to be a little selfish sometimes. He passes up too many shots and isn't in attack mode all that often

He also might be a bit of a "tweener" offensively. We will never know because Small Ball Billy has always insisted on using him as a stretch four.


The rebounding thing is what has always got me. He should be getting way more rebs a game. And yet he just doesn't. He goes through the motions

.
His rebounding for a Small Forward (which is his natural position) are about league average.

The biggest problem for me is that Donovan never puts him position to do anything.

Game after game Sky King proclaims that aren't going to run any plays for him. Question is why? Donovan allows journeymen like THT to come in and do whatever the hell he wants but not the team's lottery pick and so called "future"?.
It makes no sense. But even with that Williams still has to be a player at some point and go get it for himself.
And he rarely shows that he has that level of aggressiveness or "dog" in his game

Again, rebounding is something he can control. He has no interest in it. The thought never comes into his mind.


Exactly. It is an effort thing. A couple years ago on our girls basketball team we had a 6'1 post girl. She should have averaged 8 or more rebounds a game. But she didn't come close to that. She did not want the ball. She would stand and watch other girls go get it. Our team was led in rebounding by a 5'6 guard who wanted the ball. It is the same with PAW.

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