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Author:  FavreFan [ Tue Dec 13, 2016 1:23 pm ]
Post subject:  Timberwolves @ Bulls

Hopefully Thibs troubles last at least one more game. Bulls should put 120 points on the board tonight.

Author:  Matches Malone [ Tue Dec 13, 2016 2:02 pm ]
Post subject:  Re: Timberwolves @ Bulls

Can we talk about Thibs tonight, or would that still be the "psychotic" thing to do?

Author:  FavreFan [ Tue Dec 13, 2016 2:03 pm ]
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Matches Malone wrote:
Can we talk about Thibs tonight, or would that still be the "psychotic" thing to do?

Sure. Talk away

Author:  Matches Malone [ Tue Dec 13, 2016 2:09 pm ]
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The Thibs talk is much more of a pushback against those who argued and still argue that the Bull were insane to move on from him. The Timberwolves are just a byproduct of the discussion. Even if he were coaching the Albany Patroons we should still be having a conversation about his time as HC for the Bull as it directly caused the present.

And we need to talk more sports on this board.

Author:  FavreFan [ Tue Dec 13, 2016 2:14 pm ]
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Matches Malone wrote:
The Thibs talk is much more of a pushback against those who argued and still argue that the Bull were insane to move on from him. The Timberwolves are just a byproduct of the discussion. Even if he were coaching the Albany Patroons we should still be having a conversation about his time as HC for the Bull as it directly caused the present.

And we need to talk more sports on this board.

I agree with the more sports talk part.

I agree it was time to move on from him. I don't equate that with him being overrated.

Author:  long time guy [ Tue Dec 13, 2016 3:08 pm ]
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Matches Malone wrote:
The Thibs talk is much more of a pushback against those who argued and still argue that the Bull were insane to move on from him. The Timberwolves are just a byproduct of the discussion. Even if he were coaching the Albany Patroons we should still be having a conversation about his time as HC for the Bull as it directly caused the present.

And we need to talk more sports on this board.



Agreed on all fronts. Can't be acceptable only when GarPax/Hoiberg bashing are the topic dujour. Was also acceptable when newly minted "love of Timberwolves" coins happened to be created. That being the case then it must also be acceptable when he is falling flat on his ass.

Author:  IMU [ Tue Dec 13, 2016 3:13 pm ]
Post subject:  Re: Timberwolves @ Bulls

Wolves win a title before the Bulls.

Author:  FavreFan [ Tue Dec 13, 2016 3:15 pm ]
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IMU wrote:
Wolves win a title before the Bulls.

Very doubtful

Author:  Nas [ Tue Dec 13, 2016 3:23 pm ]
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IMU wrote:
Wolves win a title before the Bulls.


As a Bulls fan I can't say this. The Wolves are better positioned for the future than the Bulls though.

Author:  IMU [ Tue Dec 13, 2016 3:31 pm ]
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Tom Thibodeau won't stand for any roadblocks as coach and president. The state of the franchise is certainly not what he wanted 2 months into his first season...but Tom Thibodeau eats challenges and shits out success. He will properly identify and utilize the building blocks like KAT while obtaining players that fit a winning pedigree.

Author:  FavreFan [ Tue Dec 13, 2016 3:34 pm ]
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It's very unlikely that this core stays in Minnesota for a decade. They might. Usually small market teams have a 5-6 year window to take their shot. Sacramento, OK City, etc.


If they miss out on that, it'll likely be a long time. Wade is gonna bring some good free agents to Chicago. That's why he's here.

Author:  spmack [ Tue Dec 13, 2016 3:40 pm ]
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IMU wrote:
Wolves win a title before the Bulls.

Alex, I'll take bad thoughts by IMU for $100.

Author:  Nas [ Tue Dec 13, 2016 3:43 pm ]
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FavreFan wrote:
It's very unlikely that this core stays in Minnesota for a decade. They might. Usually small market teams have a 5-6 year window to take their shot. Sacramento, OK City, etc.


If they miss out on that, it'll likely be a long time. Wade is gonna bring some good free agents to Chicago. That's why he's here.


Wade helps the Bulls image with star players.

Author:  Don Tiny [ Tue Dec 13, 2016 3:51 pm ]
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IMU wrote:
Wolves win a title before the Bulls.

Image

Author:  IMU [ Tue Dec 13, 2016 5:44 pm ]
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Wade is only here for two years guaranteed. He came here because it is his hometown. He is hardly making this a destination. Two of the Bulls' three best players are on the downside of their careers. Portis and Valentine might be future D-League all-stars. There is nothing here.

Who cares about the Wolves' core in 10 years? This team is a contender by the 2018-19 season.

Butler and Taj are great... but they aren't going to carry Hoiberg, a couple old guys, and a team full of 9th men to a title.

Author:  FavreFan [ Tue Dec 13, 2016 5:53 pm ]
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Of course not. But you get another superstar here and you're a contender overnight. Wade will help with that. Who knows if the T Wolves will be ever be a contender. KAT, Wiggins, and Lavine are a good core to build around but it's still going to be very tough to win a title with that and by 2020 all or some of those guys could be gone.

Bottom line is neither one is close to being a title contender right now so of course it's smarter to take the much bigger market and the team with the best current player (Butler) between the two teams. It's possible Minnesota doesn't win a title in the next 30 years. The Bulls almost certainly will.

Author:  SomeGuy [ Tue Dec 13, 2016 7:05 pm ]
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I hear Hoiberg is top 2 coach in the league.

Thoughts?

Author:  Nas [ Tue Dec 13, 2016 7:13 pm ]
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FavreFan wrote:
Of course not. But you get another superstar here and you're a contender overnight. Wade will help with that. Who knows if the T Wolves will be ever be a contender. KAT, Wiggins, and Lavine are a good core to build around but it's still going to be very tough to win a title with that and by 2020 all or some of those guys could be gone.

Bottom line is neither one is close to being a title contender right now so of course it's smarter to take the much bigger market and the team with the best current player (Butler) between the two teams. It's possible Minnesota doesn't win a title in the next 30 years. The Bulls almost certainly will.


Towns is the best player.

Author:  FavreFan [ Tue Dec 13, 2016 8:02 pm ]
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Nas wrote:
FavreFan wrote:
Of course not. But you get another superstar here and you're a contender overnight. Wade will help with that. Who knows if the T Wolves will be ever be a contender. KAT, Wiggins, and Lavine are a good core to build around but it's still going to be very tough to win a title with that and by 2020 all or some of those guys could be gone.

Bottom line is neither one is close to being a title contender right now so of course it's smarter to take the much bigger market and the team with the best current player (Butler) between the two teams. It's possible Minnesota doesn't win a title in the next 30 years. The Bulls almost certainly will.


Towns is the best player.

Not right now. Id rather have him going forward because of age and potential.

Author:  long time guy [ Tue Dec 13, 2016 8:05 pm ]
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Nas wrote:
FavreFan wrote:
Of course not. But you get another superstar here and you're a contender overnight. Wade will help with that. Who knows if the T Wolves will be ever be a contender. KAT, Wiggins, and Lavine are a good core to build around but it's still going to be very tough to win a title with that and by 2020 all or some of those guys could be gone.

Bottom line is neither one is close to being a title contender right now so of course it's smarter to take the much bigger market and the team with the best current player (Butler) between the two teams. It's possible Minnesota doesn't win a title in the next 30 years. The Bulls almost certainly will.


Towns is the best player.



I'm not sure that Butler is even the best on the Bulls. I'm a lot more comfortable with Wade having the Ball during the 4th quarter. Butler struggles to get his own shot too often to be a No. 1 guy. I know about the whole "2 way" thing but it's obvious watching them that Wade is the better creator.

Author:  Peoria Matt [ Tue Dec 13, 2016 8:07 pm ]
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SomeGuy wrote:
I hear Hoiberg is top 2 coach in the league.

Thoughts?


Is Wade #1?

Author:  St. Louis Bull Man [ Tue Dec 13, 2016 8:14 pm ]
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SomeGuy wrote:
I hear Hoiberg is top 2 coach in the league.

Thoughts?
Really? That's borderline insane. :shock:

Author:  Matches Malone [ Tue Dec 13, 2016 8:17 pm ]
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SomeGuy wrote:
I hear Hoiberg is top 2 coach in the league.

Thoughts?

Have to give the guy credit in at least one regard.

He recognized very early on that Noah's role needed to be greatly reduced in order to move forward. And as much as it pained me (I'll always love the Bull's career of Joakim) and others, he was 100% correct.

Author:  FavreFan [ Tue Dec 13, 2016 8:17 pm ]
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long time guy wrote:
Nas wrote:
FavreFan wrote:
Of course not. But you get another superstar here and you're a contender overnight. Wade will help with that. Who knows if the T Wolves will be ever be a contender. KAT, Wiggins, and Lavine are a good core to build around but it's still going to be very tough to win a title with that and by 2020 all or some of those guys could be gone.

Bottom line is neither one is close to being a title contender right now so of course it's smarter to take the much bigger market and the team with the best current player (Butler) between the two teams. It's possible Minnesota doesn't win a title in the next 30 years. The Bulls almost certainly will.


Towns is the best player.



I'm not sure that Butler is even the best on the Bulls. I'm a lot more comfortable with Wade having the Ball during the 4th quarter. Butler struggles to get his own shot too often to be a No. 1 guy. I know about the whole "2 way" thing but it's obvious watching them that Wade is the better creator.

Butler is better than Wade in almost every category. He's easily the Bulls best player and yes obviously his defense can't be discounted.

Author:  long time guy [ Tue Dec 13, 2016 8:20 pm ]
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Matches Malone wrote:
SomeGuy wrote:
I hear Hoiberg is top 2 coach in the league.

Thoughts?

Have to give the guy credit in at least one regard.

He recognized very early on that Noah's role needed to be greatly reduced in order to move forward. And as much as it pained me (I'll always love the Bull's career of Joakim) and others, he was 100% correct.



Yeah I am a Noah guy too but it was time. He isn't giving the Knicks much. Being paid a nice dime also.

Author:  sinicalypse [ Tue Dec 13, 2016 8:23 pm ]
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lol @ 26-6 bulls! esp coming off of a karl anthony towns videobyte about how "even this game" matters =P

Author:  FavreFan [ Tue Dec 13, 2016 8:23 pm ]
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Hell of a start. I don't know how you can watch these games and say Wade is better or does more night to night than Butler.

Author:  Matches Malone [ Tue Dec 13, 2016 8:24 pm ]
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long time guy wrote:
Yeah I am a Noah guy too but it was time. He isn't giving the Knicks much. Being paid a nice dime also.

Hats off to him for securing that contract, but damn has he fallen off a cliff.

As for Lopez, I never in my wildest dreams saw him contributing anything on the offensive end but he sure as hell has. It's crazy that the Knicks let him go considering he's exactly what they need right now.

Author:  St. Louis Bull Man [ Tue Dec 13, 2016 8:37 pm ]
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sinicalypse wrote:
lol @ 26-6 bulls! esp coming off of a karl anthony towns videobyte about how "even this game" matters =P
I tend to agree (in a miniscule way)

Author:  St. Louis Bull Man [ Tue Dec 13, 2016 8:40 pm ]
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Matches Malone wrote:
long time guy wrote:
Yeah I am a Noah guy too but it was time. He isn't giving the Knicks much. Being paid a nice dime also.

Hats off to him for securing that contract, but damn has he fallen off a cliff.

As for Lopez, I never in my wildest dreams saw him contributing anything on the offensive end but he sure as hell has. It's crazy that the Knicks let him go considering he's exactly what they need right now.
Phil must have something in mind.... 'ya know?

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