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Author:  RFDC [ Mon Jun 25, 2018 4:29 pm ]
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Marcus Smart interest anyone?

Jordan Schultz

@Schultz_Report
Per NBA source, the #Mavericks are a contender for #Celtics’ RFA Marcus Smart, but it “depends on price.”

Other contenders, per source,
include the #Bulls, #Suns, #Pacers, #Mavericks and yes, Boston.

Smart, 24, averaged 10.2 points and a career-high 4.8 assists last season.

Author:  Ron Wolfley [ Mon Jun 25, 2018 5:05 pm ]
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No thank you. Kris Dunn is my guy. Better player than Smart and still has upside too.

Author:  FavreFan [ Mon Jun 25, 2018 5:07 pm ]
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RFDC wrote:
Marcus Smart interest anyone?

Jordan Schultz

@Schultz_Report
Per NBA source, the #Mavericks are a contender for #Celtics’ RFA Marcus Smart, but it “depends on price.”

Other contenders, per source,
include the #Bulls, #Suns, #Pacers, #Mavericks and yes, Boston.

Smart, 24, averaged 10.2 points and a career-high 4.8 assists last season.

My answer is the same as the Mavs - depends on the price. But yes I would really want him on my team.

Author:  shakes [ Mon Jun 25, 2018 5:08 pm ]
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Ron Wolfley wrote:
No thank you. Kris Dunn is my guy. Better player than Smart and still has upside too.



Dunn isn't even close to Smart's level right now and probably never will be.

Awful take.

Author:  FavreFan [ Mon Jun 25, 2018 5:10 pm ]
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shakes wrote:
Ron Wolfley wrote:
No thank you. Kris Dunn is my guy. Better player than Smart and still has upside too.



Dunn isn't even close to Smart's level right now and probably never will be.

Awful take.

That’s an awful take.

Smart might be the better player but not by much at all. Both are good two way players with the potential to get better. Dunn is better offensively and Smart is better defensively.

Author:  Jbi11s [ Mon Jun 25, 2018 5:24 pm ]
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Pass. Seems like a head case who thinks he's better than he ever will be.

Author:  Ron Wolfley [ Mon Jun 25, 2018 5:33 pm ]
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FavreFan wrote:
shakes wrote:
Ron Wolfley wrote:
No thank you. Kris Dunn is my guy. Better player than Smart and still has upside too.



Dunn isn't even close to Smart's level right now and probably never will be.

Awful take.

That’s an awful take.

Smart might be the better player but not by much at all. Both are good two way players with the potential to get better. Dunn is better offensively and Smart is better defensively.


I’d bet on Dunn to improve his shot even more going into his 3rd year too. And defensively, maybe Smart is a little better. Feel like we see him diving for balls, talking shit, and “having heart.” Dunn lowkey was at the top of the league in steals. He’s tactical.

Author:  FavreFan [ Mon Jun 25, 2018 5:42 pm ]
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Ron Wolfley wrote:
FavreFan wrote:
shakes wrote:
Ron Wolfley wrote:
No thank you. Kris Dunn is my guy. Better player than Smart and still has upside too.



Dunn isn't even close to Smart's level right now and probably never will be.

Awful take.

That’s an awful take.

Smart might be the better player but not by much at all. Both are good two way players with the potential to get better. Dunn is better offensively and Smart is better defensively.


I’d bet on Dunn to improve his shot even more going into his 3rd year too. And defensively, maybe Smart is a little better. Feel like we see him diving for balls, talking shit, and “having heart.” Dunn lowkey was at the top of the league in steals. He’s tactical.

Smart is a lot more than hustle though. He’s undoubtedly one of the best defenders in the league. There was a play in the playoffs where he was guarding LeBron one on one. LeBron started about 14-15 feet from the basket and tried to back Smart down. Not only could he not do it, but Smart ended up pushing him back a few feet and forcing a terrible turnaround fadeaway that missed badly.

Author:  Jbi11s [ Mon Jun 25, 2018 5:48 pm ]
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Lebron went for 33, 9, and 8 on 52% FG/40% 3PT in the 2018 ECF.

Author:  FavreFan [ Mon Jun 25, 2018 5:52 pm ]
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Jbi11s wrote:
Lebron went for 33, 9, and 8 on 52% FG/40% 3PT in the 2018 ECF.

Good for him.

Author:  WaitingforRuffcorn [ Mon Jun 25, 2018 6:00 pm ]
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Adding guys who will help them max out at the ECF at best. Exciting NBA action. Catch it.

Author:  FavreFan [ Mon Jun 25, 2018 6:06 pm ]
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WaitingforRuffcorn wrote:
Adding guys who will help them max out at the ECF at best. Exciting NBA action. Catch it.

This is stupid. Are you suggesting they just not try?

Author:  WaitingforRuffcorn [ Mon Jun 25, 2018 6:08 pm ]
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FavreFan wrote:
WaitingforRuffcorn wrote:
Adding guys who will help them max out at the ECF at best. Exciting NBA action. Catch it.

This is stupid. Are you suggesting they just not try?


What part do you disagree with? I don't think adding Marcus Smart does a fucking thing for the Bulls. I don't think they matter in the least unless they figure out a way to get a top 3 player in the league. I don't see how they get a top draft pick with the current roster or sign a top guy if they spend their money on the likes of Marcus Smart.

Author:  FavreFan [ Mon Jun 25, 2018 6:17 pm ]
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WaitingforRuffcorn wrote:
FavreFan wrote:
WaitingforRuffcorn wrote:
Adding guys who will help them max out at the ECF at best. Exciting NBA action. Catch it.

This is stupid. Are you suggesting they just not try?


What part do you disagree with? I don't think adding Marcus Smart does a fucking thing for the Bulls. I don't think they matter in the least unless they figure out a way to get a top 3 player in the league. I don't see how they get a top draft pick with the current roster or sign a top guy if they spend their money on the likes of Marcus Smart.

You have to be good before you can be great. Signing Smart to a max contract would be dumb and then you would be right. Signing him to a reasonable contract will not prevent them from going after guys next summer and in 2020.

If you think they should just straight up tank next year many would agree although I wouldn’t. I still have no idea what that has to do with “nba action”.

Author:  Furious Styles [ Mon Jun 25, 2018 6:49 pm ]
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FavreFan wrote:
Jbi11s wrote:
Lebron went for 33, 9, and 8 on 52% FG/40% 3PT in the 2018 ECF.

Good for him.

:lol:

Author:  WaitingforRuffcorn [ Mon Jun 25, 2018 6:52 pm ]
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For the last three seasons there have been two teams who had a chance to win, and we knew who they were before the season. Basically you are one of those teams or you should be in the business of losing games to get a great draft pick. It's a bad season when more than a third of the league is tanking. The Bulls tried to tank and could only get the 7th pick in the draft. And I don't blame the teams for tanking. It's a messed up system the incentivizes losing.

Author:  FavreFan [ Mon Jun 25, 2018 6:53 pm ]
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WaitingforRuffcorn wrote:
For the last three seasons there have been two teams who had a chance to win, and we knew who they were before the season. Basically you are one of those teams or you should be in the business of losing games to get a great draft pick. It's a bad season when more than a third of the league is tanking. The Bulls tried to tank and could only get the 7th pick in the draft. And I don't blame the teams for tanking. It's a messed up system the incentivizes losing.

Houston took GS to 7 games and they were up 3-2 while healthy. Your first sentence is wrong.

Author:  FavreFan [ Mon Jun 25, 2018 6:55 pm ]
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Also, baseball’s tanking problem is as bad or worse than the NBA’s. It’s tough to find a system that doesn’t incentivize tanking and still helps the competitive balance of the league.

Author:  Baby McNown [ Mon Jun 25, 2018 6:58 pm ]
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Didn’t Smart mostly float between the 2 and 3 last year anyway? The Celtics has Kyrie and Rozier. I don’t see the Bulls having Dunn as being an issue.

Author:  Ron Wolfley [ Mon Jun 25, 2018 7:49 pm ]
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FavreFan wrote:
WaitingforRuffcorn wrote:
Adding guys who will help them max out at the ECF at best. Exciting NBA action. Catch it.

This is stupid. Are you suggesting they just not try?


I’m an advocate of not trying :lol:

They should hold off this summer. Spend money in 2019 and/or 2020.

2019:
Kyrie Irving
Kyrie Middleton
Jimmy Butler
Nikola Vucevic
Klay Thompson
Kawhi Leonard

2020:
Anthony Davis
Andre Drummond
Gordon Hayward
Draymond Green


If the Bulls sign LaVine and pay him $20 million a year, they’ll have about $60 million to spend on July 1, 2019. That’s enough for 2 max guys. $80 million if they tell LaVine to go fuck himself.

I want a Dunn, Thompson, insert wing here, Lauri, Davis starting lineup and everyone talking about the Bulls in contention for the East during 2020 all-star weekend in Chicago.

Author:  312player [ Mon Jun 25, 2018 7:51 pm ]
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I'll take Klay an Anthony Davis.. Pass on the rest, age, injuries etc.

Author:  312player [ Mon Jun 25, 2018 7:53 pm ]
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My prediction is Jimmy Join lebron in LA after the 19 season. Maybe Leonard does too.

Author:  WaitingforRuffcorn [ Mon Jun 25, 2018 8:07 pm ]
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FavreFan wrote:
WaitingforRuffcorn wrote:
For the last three seasons there have been two teams who had a chance to win, and we knew who they were before the season. Basically you are one of those teams or you should be in the business of losing games to get a great draft pick. It's a bad season when more than a third of the league is tanking. The Bulls tried to tank and could only get the 7th pick in the draft. And I don't blame the teams for tanking. It's a messed up system the incentivizes losing.

Houston took GS to 7 games and they were up 3-2 while healthy. Your first sentence is wrong.


Everyone knew it was going to be Golden State and Cleveland. That's what it ended up being. A tough series doesn't change that.

Author:  FavreFan [ Mon Jun 25, 2018 8:11 pm ]
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WaitingforRuffcorn wrote:
FavreFan wrote:
WaitingforRuffcorn wrote:
For the last three seasons there have been two teams who had a chance to win, and we knew who they were before the season. Basically you are one of those teams or you should be in the business of losing games to get a great draft pick. It's a bad season when more than a third of the league is tanking. The Bulls tried to tank and could only get the 7th pick in the draft. And I don't blame the teams for tanking. It's a messed up system the incentivizes losing.

Houston took GS to 7 games and they were up 3-2 while healthy. Your first sentence is wrong.


Everyone knew it was going to be Golden State and Cleveland. That's what it ended up being. A tough series doesn't change that.

You tried arguing they were the only teams “with a chance to win”. Both CF’s going 7 games and especially Paul’s injury clearly invalidate that claim. It’s ok to admit you misspoke.

Author:  WaitingforRuffcorn [ Mon Jun 25, 2018 8:16 pm ]
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FavreFan wrote:
Also, baseball’s tanking problem is as bad or worse than the NBA’s. It’s tough to find a system that doesn’t incentivize tanking and still helps the competitive balance of the league.


The Royals won three years ago. There are paths to win in baseball in any market. In the NBA even if you draft well it's very difficult to keep star in cold weather or small market cities unless you have a star player from that market with community ties.

Not saying it's the fault of the league. I'm tired of the LeBron or off season play movement type. These guys collude worst than anything teams used to do. It's good for the players, but terrible for fans in may markets.

I don't find the prospects of Marcus Smart free agency exciting. If they can sell Anthony Davis on winning at home in 2020 it's about they only chance they have at being relevant. Load up the roster with his friends, and hope the rest develop into complimentary players he can win with.

Author:  WaitingforRuffcorn [ Mon Jun 25, 2018 8:17 pm ]
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FavreFan wrote:
WaitingforRuffcorn wrote:
FavreFan wrote:
WaitingforRuffcorn wrote:
For the last three seasons there have been two teams who had a chance to win, and we knew who they were before the season. Basically you are one of those teams or you should be in the business of losing games to get a great draft pick. It's a bad season when more than a third of the league is tanking. The Bulls tried to tank and could only get the 7th pick in the draft. And I don't blame the teams for tanking. It's a messed up system the incentivizes losing.

Houston took GS to 7 games and they were up 3-2 while healthy. Your first sentence is wrong.


Everyone knew it was going to be Golden State and Cleveland. That's what it ended up being. A tough series doesn't change that.

You tried arguing they were the only teams “with a chance to win”. Both CF’s going 7 games and especially Paul’s injury clearly invalidate that claim. It’s ok to admit you misspoke.


Other teams could have won is not an argument. They didn't. Just like everyone knew.

Author:  FavreFan [ Mon Jun 25, 2018 8:23 pm ]
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WaitingforRuffcorn wrote:
FavreFan wrote:
Also, baseball’s tanking problem is as bad or worse than the NBA’s. It’s tough to find a system that doesn’t incentivize tanking and still helps the competitive balance of the league.


The Royals won three years ago. There are paths to win in baseball in any market. In the NBA even if you draft well it's very difficult to keep star in cold weather or small market cities unless you have a star player from that market with community ties.

Not saying it's the fault of the league. I'm tired of the LeBron or off season play movement type. These guys collude worst than anything teams used to do. It's good for the players, but terrible for fans in may markets.

I don't find the prospects of Marcus Smart free agency exciting. If they can sell Anthony Davis on winning at home in 2020 it's about they only chance they have at being relevant. Load up the roster with his friends, and hope the rest develop into complimentary players he can win with.

I think you’re misusing the word relevant. If they win 50-55 games and play in the conference finals they will be relevant. They aren’t relevant now because they are very bad.

The idea that only two teams are relevant in the NBA only applies to people who specifically dislike the NBA. Even the casual fan would find 4-5 teams interesting, pretty much the same as a casual MLB fan(if they even exist, very parochial sport).

Author:  WaitingforRuffcorn [ Mon Jun 25, 2018 8:28 pm ]
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FavreFan wrote:
WaitingforRuffcorn wrote:
FavreFan wrote:
Also, baseball’s tanking problem is as bad or worse than the NBA’s. It’s tough to find a system that doesn’t incentivize tanking and still helps the competitive balance of the league.


The Royals won three years ago. There are paths to win in baseball in any market. In the NBA even if you draft well it's very difficult to keep star in cold weather or small market cities unless you have a star player from that market with community ties.

Not saying it's the fault of the league. I'm tired of the LeBron or off season play movement type. These guys collude worst than anything teams used to do. It's good for the players, but terrible for fans in may markets.

I don't find the prospects of Marcus Smart free agency exciting. If they can sell Anthony Davis on winning at home in 2020 it's about they only chance they have at being relevant. Load up the roster with his friends, and hope the rest develop into complimentary players he can win with.

I think you’re misusing the word relevant. If they win 50-55 games and play in the conference finals they will be relevant. They aren’t relevant now because they are very bad.

The idea that only two teams are relevant in the NBA only applies to people who specifically dislike the NBA. Even the casual fan would find 4-5 teams interesting, pretty much the same as a casual MLB fan(if they even exist, very parochial sport).


I don't specifically dislike the NBA. I once really enjoyed it. When Kevin Durant joined a team that won 70 games to play against LeBron's second hand picked super team it made be less a fan of the product because I like seeing my local team win and compete. And it feels like even if they get a super star he might leave to go to a warm weather city or leave to play with his AAU buddies.

Author:  FavreFan [ Mon Jun 25, 2018 8:30 pm ]
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Markkanen will be a superstar and doesn’t have AAU buddies. You’re in good hands. Keep the faith.

Author:  WaitingforRuffcorn [ Mon Jun 25, 2018 8:36 pm ]
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FavreFan wrote:
Markkanen will be a superstar and doesn’t have AAU buddies. You’re in good hands. Keep the faith.


I don't blame the players for doing this. If I grew up with guys and made it to the NBA I would want to play with them as well, but it's one of those things that what's good for the players is not as good for the league or the fans.

You hated the pick if I recall, but I don't think Markkanen will ever be a superstar. All-star and a great second option on a title contender, which would mean still need to find that top guy.

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