https://www.bleachernation.com/bulls/2020/01/09/david-kaplan-has-heard-there-will-finally-be-massive-changes-coming-to-bulls-organization/?fbclid=IwAR3D-DQdnttXh1sph2JYN5irPqhypK5aMXCIdvpIdUT9uLQhSN1IweCMfHY


WE SHALL SEE

https://www.bleachernation.com/bulls/2020/01/09/david-kaplan-has-heard-there-will-finally-be-massive-changes-coming-to-bulls-organization/?fbclid=IwAR3D-DQdnttXh1sph2JYN5irPqhypK5aMXCIdvpIdUT9uLQhSN1IweCMfHY


WE SHALL SEE

I doubt Bernstein and Julie have sources as they claim. I would think Kap does.

Paxson was fine as a GM. Draft picks instantly got worse when he was moved.

Incorrect. Butler was a Gar pick and was better than any pick Paxson ever made outside of Rose (and I'd say it's outright far better due to draft position). Regardless I have no idea why anyone would continue to pretend that Paxson's still good or would be acceptable as GM when his fingerprints are all over the current abomination, including the buffoon of a head coach.

this. don't forget the horrific free ajent signings like Jabari.

The NBA 20 years ago is like the difference between a Model T and a Tesla.

I suspect Gar has been pretty much sidelined for the past couple of years anyway, but I'm not sure.

Incorrect. Butler was a Gar pick and was better than any pick Paxson ever made outside of Rose (and I'd say it's outright far better due to draft position). Regardless I have no idea why anyone would continue to pretend that Paxson's still good or would be acceptable as GM when his fingerprints are all over the current abomination, including the buffoon of a head coach.

Its hard to really tell who happens to be calling the shots with the Bulls these days. I'm sure that is the way Paxson wants to play it. It was easier about 6-7 years ago. THere were certain players (Snell, McDermott) who you just knew were Gar type of players. Now it is not as easy. The drafts have been bad but the inability to identify NBA caliber talent has been worse. How do you let Dinwiddie get away? There are a number of guys floating around the league that the Bulls could have got for little or nothing and didn't.

That is the most maddening thing for me. More than the bad drafts, lack of free agent signings etc. THat is squarely on the Front Office. There are no excuses for that.

The Butler pick was Paxson's work. It fit what he had done the years before. Look at all of the picks that followed. Outside of the Tyrus Thomas reach, Paxson did a great job drafting.

We've been over this before but it's mighty convenient to credit non-GM Paxson for the best pick the Bulls have made in the last 20 years, especially right after declaring that the picks immediately went down in quality when he was no longer GM. I see no reason whatsoever to give Paxson the credit for that one over Gar or Matt Lloyd unless one is wed to the narrative that all the good things about the last 17 years of the Bulls should be credited to Pax and all the bad things to Gar.

Trends matter. Paxson had 1 awful pick during his run and the same year he is promoted they drafted Butler. Every year since the Bulls haven't had a good draft. Gar is the problem and Michael is finally going to get rid of him.

Yeah this is why I'm basically hesitant to recognize a concrete break between eras, as doing so seems only to absolve Paxson of blame he should fully take. He at bare minimum co-signed all the stuff that was Gar's call or simply didn't care enough to stop him. After 2016 he declared he'd be taking a more active role in the Bulls' day-to-day operations, and then when they got bounced in the playoffs, he declared in 2017 he'd be taking on a more active role. By all accounts Gar was knocked down the totem pole ages ago, but even before that point, Paxson had the final call on pretty much everything anyway.

I'm surprised there is even a debate on this. Both Paxson and Forman need to go.

Paxson has been on the job 16 years and is no closer to a title than when he started. It's comical he's been allowed to keep his job.

Paxson recently sold his Pulte-like house. Not sure if he has another one here. Might be related.

Paxson is Kenny Williams without the championship.

Paxson is Kenny Williams without the championship. He's family and he had success in the role.

Going 16 years without a title is not having success. It's having longevity.

When you went nearly 100 years without one it could be seen as success. Reinsdorf is extremely loyal to both men. As long as he's alive both will be executives.