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| Author: | FavreFan [ Wed Nov 18, 2020 8:29 pm ] |
| Post subject: | Patrick Williams |
I’m inclined to agree with conns that this dude is a nobody but whatever. Terrible draft. Maybe he becomes ok. |
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| Author: | Jbi11s [ Wed Nov 18, 2020 8:31 pm ] |
| Post subject: | Re: Patrick Williams |
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| Author: | RFDC [ Wed Nov 18, 2020 8:31 pm ] |
| Post subject: | Re: Patrick Williams |
It isnt Ball and they didnt trade up. I am good. I wanted the Israeli kid, but will give this kid a chance. |
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| Author: | conns7901 [ Wed Nov 18, 2020 8:34 pm ] |
| Post subject: | Re: Patrick Williams |
Hopefully they are going to trade him. |
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| Author: | WaitingforRuffcorn [ Wed Nov 18, 2020 8:35 pm ] |
| Post subject: | Re: Patrick Williams |
At least he’s used to coming off the bench. Tanking for next year already. |
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| Author: | Hussra [ Wed Nov 18, 2020 8:39 pm ] |
| Post subject: | Re: Patrick Williams |
Shams and Woj in a race to spoil picks: 
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| Author: | RFDC [ Wed Nov 18, 2020 8:43 pm ] |
| Post subject: | Re: Patrick Williams |
Hussra wrote: Shams and Woj in a race to spoil picks: What does that have to do with Williams? 
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| Author: | Peoria Matt [ Wed Nov 18, 2020 8:44 pm ] |
| Post subject: | Re: Patrick Williams |
| Author: | NME [ Wed Nov 18, 2020 8:44 pm ] |
| Post subject: | Re: Patrick Williams |
This kid wasn’t good enough to start for his college team but somehow good enough to be the 4th overall pick in the NBA draft..? Did the Bulls consult Ryan Pace here? What’s the story here? |
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| Author: | Jbi11s [ Wed Nov 18, 2020 8:45 pm ] |
| Post subject: | Re: Patrick Williams |
It’s a weak draft. That’s all I got. |
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| Author: | NME [ Wed Nov 18, 2020 8:46 pm ] |
| Post subject: | Re: Patrick Williams |
Peoria Matt wrote: ‘Character’ and ‘work ethic’ are code for ‘not very good’ |
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| Author: | veganfan21 [ Wed Nov 18, 2020 8:47 pm ] |
| Post subject: | Re: Patrick Williams |
NME wrote: Peoria Matt wrote: ‘Character’ and ‘work ethic’ are code for ‘not very good’ Maybe he drives a Corolla. |
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| Author: | Peoria Matt [ Wed Nov 18, 2020 8:47 pm ] |
| Post subject: | Re: Patrick Williams |
Yeah...that's what I was thinking. Not a lot of sure things in this draft, though. |
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| Author: | FavreFan [ Wed Nov 18, 2020 8:48 pm ] |
| Post subject: | Re: Patrick Williams |
NME wrote: Peoria Matt wrote: ‘Character’ and ‘work ethic’ are code for ‘not very good’ Ehh, sometimes. Those are also pre-requisites for reaching potential and shouldn’t be overlooked. |
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| Author: | WaitingforRuffcorn [ Wed Nov 18, 2020 8:50 pm ] |
| Post subject: | Re: Patrick Williams |
He’s a total project. Makes me think they are trying to bottom out further not go the GarPax get better and make the playoffs ASAP. |
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| Author: | NME [ Wed Nov 18, 2020 8:56 pm ] |
| Post subject: | Re: Patrick Williams |
FavreFan wrote: NME wrote: Peoria Matt wrote: ‘Character’ and ‘work ethic’ are code for ‘not very good’ Ehh, sometimes. Those are also pre-requisites for reaching potential and shouldn’t be overlooked. While I don’t disagree.. none of that covers what he actually does well as a player, and you tend to hear/read people fall back on those descriptions when describing the players actual playing ability is underwhelming. I mean, how many good character ‘hard working’ guys have we seen the Bulls draft now? Jimmy might be the only one who legit developed into a difference maker. |
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| Author: | FavreFan [ Wed Nov 18, 2020 8:56 pm ] |
| Post subject: | Re: Patrick Williams |
WaitingforRuffcorn wrote: He’s a total project. Makes me think they are trying to bottom out further not go the GarPax get better and make the playoffs ASAP. I’m willing to give AK the benefit of the doubt. I think everyone should. I would agree with trashing this draft pick if GarPax made it. |
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| Author: | veganfan21 [ Wed Nov 18, 2020 8:57 pm ] |
| Post subject: | Re: Patrick Williams |
NME wrote: FavreFan wrote: NME wrote: Peoria Matt wrote: ‘Character’ and ‘work ethic’ are code for ‘not very good’ Ehh, sometimes. Those are also pre-requisites for reaching potential and shouldn’t be overlooked. While I don’t disagree.. none of that covers what he actually does well as a player, and you tend to hear/read people fall back on those descriptions when describing the players actual playing ability is underwhelming. I mean, how many good character ‘hard working’ guys have we seen the Bulls draft now? Jimmy might be the only one who legit developed into a difference maker. Ben Gordon, Deng, Hinrich, Nocioni, etc were great. |
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| Author: | Zippy-The-Pinhead [ Wed Nov 18, 2020 8:58 pm ] |
| Post subject: | Re: Patrick Williams |
FavreFan wrote: NME wrote: Peoria Matt wrote: ‘Character’ and ‘work ethic’ are code for ‘not very good’ Ehh, sometimes. Those are also pre-requisites for reaching potential and shouldn’t be overlooked. Ball had much more exciting descriptors. |
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| Author: | FavreFan [ Wed Nov 18, 2020 8:59 pm ] |
| Post subject: | Re: Patrick Williams |
NME wrote: I mean, how many good character ‘hard working’ guys have we seen the Bulls draft now? Jimmy might be the only one who legit developed into a difference maker. It's a different regime now. I don't know shit about this guy, but if he's an athletic, 6'8'' versatile defender who works his ass off to get better everyday then we probably didn't draft a total bust. That's about the best you can hope for in a draft like this imo. I'm willing to give AK time to turn around this roster. |
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| Author: | FavreFan [ Wed Nov 18, 2020 9:00 pm ] |
| Post subject: | Re: Patrick Williams |
Zippy-The-Pinhead wrote: FavreFan wrote: NME wrote: Peoria Matt wrote: ‘Character’ and ‘work ethic’ are code for ‘not very good’ Ehh, sometimes. Those are also pre-requisites for reaching potential and shouldn’t be overlooked. Ball had much more exciting descriptors. True, but character and work ethic aren't included in those. Kid is pretty much drowning in red flags. |
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| Author: | FavreFan [ Wed Nov 18, 2020 9:01 pm ] |
| Post subject: | Re: Patrick Williams |
veganfan21 wrote: NME wrote: FavreFan wrote: NME wrote: Peoria Matt wrote: ‘Character’ and ‘work ethic’ are code for ‘not very good’ Ehh, sometimes. Those are also pre-requisites for reaching potential and shouldn’t be overlooked. While I don’t disagree.. none of that covers what he actually does well as a player, and you tend to hear/read people fall back on those descriptions when describing the players actual playing ability is underwhelming. I mean, how many good character ‘hard working’ guys have we seen the Bulls draft now? Jimmy might be the only one who legit developed into a difference maker. Ben Gordon, Deng, Hinrich, Nocioni, etc were great.  I loved Noc, but "great"? You related to the guy? |
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| Author: | Jbi11s [ Wed Nov 18, 2020 9:01 pm ] |
| Post subject: | Re: Patrick Williams |
Should have taken Avdija. |
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| Author: | NME [ Wed Nov 18, 2020 9:01 pm ] |
| Post subject: | Re: Patrick Williams |
veganfan21 wrote: NME wrote: FavreFan wrote: NME wrote: Peoria Matt wrote: ‘Character’ and ‘work ethic’ are code for ‘not very good’ Ehh, sometimes. Those are also pre-requisites for reaching potential and shouldn’t be overlooked. While I don’t disagree.. none of that covers what he actually does well as a player, and you tend to hear/read people fall back on those descriptions when describing the players actual playing ability is underwhelming. I mean, how many good character ‘hard working’ guys have we seen the Bulls draft now? Jimmy might be the only one who legit developed into a difference maker. Ben Gordon, Deng, Hinrich, Nocioni, etc were great. Good role players, I’ll give you that. ‘Great’? No. I’m not going anywhere near ‘great’ for any of those guys. |
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| Author: | FavreFan [ Wed Nov 18, 2020 9:02 pm ] |
| Post subject: | Re: Patrick Williams |
Deng was pretty great at his peak |
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| Author: | veganfan21 [ Wed Nov 18, 2020 9:03 pm ] |
| Post subject: | Re: Patrick Williams |
FavreFan wrote: veganfan21 wrote: NME wrote: FavreFan wrote: NME wrote: Peoria Matt wrote: ‘Character’ and ‘work ethic’ are code for ‘not very good’ Ehh, sometimes. Those are also pre-requisites for reaching potential and shouldn’t be overlooked. While I don’t disagree.. none of that covers what he actually does well as a player, and you tend to hear/read people fall back on those descriptions when describing the players actual playing ability is underwhelming. I mean, how many good character ‘hard working’ guys have we seen the Bulls draft now? Jimmy might be the only one who legit developed into a difference maker. Ben Gordon, Deng, Hinrich, Nocioni, etc were great. I loved Noc, but "great"? You related to the guy? Nah, just meant fun to watch. I mean if you're unlucky and fall out of the top five in the best draft of the century so far, then I guess you sort of make peace with the leftovers. |
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| Author: | NME [ Wed Nov 18, 2020 9:03 pm ] |
| Post subject: | Re: Patrick Williams |
Jbi11s wrote: Should have taken Avdija. He was a guy I thought the Bulls would target for sure. I liked the Wiseman kid too. |
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| Author: | NME [ Wed Nov 18, 2020 9:04 pm ] |
| Post subject: | Re: Patrick Williams |
FavreFan wrote: Deng was pretty great at his peak Good, sure. Great is a word I reserve for super stars and Deng was never a super star. Butler is close to being great imo |
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| Author: | veganfan21 [ Wed Nov 18, 2020 9:05 pm ] |
| Post subject: | Re: Patrick Williams |
NME wrote: veganfan21 wrote: NME wrote: FavreFan wrote: NME wrote: Peoria Matt wrote: ‘Character’ and ‘work ethic’ are code for ‘not very good’ Ehh, sometimes. Those are also pre-requisites for reaching potential and shouldn’t be overlooked. While I don’t disagree.. none of that covers what he actually does well as a player, and you tend to hear/read people fall back on those descriptions when describing the players actual playing ability is underwhelming. I mean, how many good character ‘hard working’ guys have we seen the Bulls draft now? Jimmy might be the only one who legit developed into a difference maker. Ben Gordon, Deng, Hinrich, Nocioni, etc were great. Good role players, I’ll give you that. ‘Great’? No. I’m not going anywhere near ‘great’ for any of those guys. Nah, either would I. I don't mean individually great. Just good players who revived basketball in this town for a bit. Then Rose came along. 2004 - 2015 is probably the second best period of basketball in this city since the 1990s. Have no idea what happened before that. Not sure if the 1980s were as cool to watch as 2004-2015. I heard there was a lot of cocaine. |
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| Author: | Zippy-The-Pinhead [ Wed Nov 18, 2020 9:06 pm ] |
| Post subject: | Re: Patrick Williams |
FavreFan wrote: Deng was pretty great at his peak Your standard for “great” is pretty generous. And I liked Deng. |
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