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Author:  BD [ Fri Jun 22, 2007 5:47 am ]
Post subject:  Wolves-Celtics trade talk? Garnett says forget it
The proposed trade that would have sent Kevin Garnett to Boston, agreed to in principle by ex-teammates Kevin McHale and Danny Ainge, was taken off the table Thursday after Garnett got word to the Celtics that he doesn't want to play for them.

Garnett, according to sources close to the situation, is hoping for a trade to the Phoenix Suns if he has to leave the only team he has ever played for.

"The Boston trade isn't happening," Garnett's agent, Andy Miller, told ESPN.com's Chris Sheridan. "If a trade were to happen, that's not a destination that we're interested in pursuing."

It appears that Wolves management -- McHale and owner Glen Taylor -- is prepared for the first time to make a deal that would end the Garnett Era in Minneapolis after 12 seasons. Taylor, according to Wolves sources, has informed Garnett directly of that change in philosophy.

But Garnett will have a stronger-than-usual say in the destination if he is indeed moved before next season because of the ability to opt of his contract in the summer of 2008 and become a free agent just over a year from now if he forfeits his $23 million salary in 2008-09.

Without at least a strong indication that Garnett would be willing to sign an extension with the Celtics, Ainge would be parting with virtually every enticing trade chip Boston has for what amounts to a one-year rental.

Which pieces? The latest incarnation of the deal, according to sources, would have required the Celtics to send blossoming forward Al Jefferson, its No. 5 overall pick in next Thursday's draft and Theo Ratliff's cap-friendly contract in addition to Wolves alumnus Wally Szczerbiak and troubled guard Sebastian Telfair in exchange for Garnett and Wolves guard Troy Hudson.

"This would be a major trade that would affect a franchise and those in the organization, so you better be sure [he wants to be there long term]," said Miller, who informed the Wolves and Celtics late Wednesday that his client had no interest in playing for Boston.

Garnett rejected the move even though it would put him in the easier-to-conquer Eastern Conference and even though he is said to be friendly with Celtics star Paul Pierce.

Garnett has said for years that he doesn't want to leave his beloved "Sota" and has consistently refused to push for a trade.

Yet he is bracing for a trade now, after hearing of Taylor's new stance, which is said to have only increased his growing frustration with Taylor and McHale.

And Garnett, sources say, wants to move to a warm-weather city and a team that can claim legitimate championship potential.

All of which should help explain why the Suns are No. 1 on his list.

Another big factor: Garnett and Suns guard Steve Nash, sources say, have become good friends over the past few years, starting in 2005 when Garnett was one of the first players in the league to call Nash and congratulate him on his first MVP trophy.

The Wolves and Suns have also discussed a Garnett trade. The Wolves, though, naturally want to trade Garnett out of their conference if they can.

If it has to deal with the Suns -- given the strong possibility Garnett won't sanction a move elsewhere -- Minnesota is expected to demand that Phoenix part with Amare Stoudemire in the exchange, as well as a first-round pick from Atlanta in the 2008 draft that is fully unprotected.

It's considered unlikely that a Suns package built around Shawn Marion and that draft pick would be enough to pry Garnett away. Complicating matters further, Marion also has the right to become a free agent after the 2007-08 season and has also let it be known that he doesn't want to play in Minnesota or Boston, sources say. That stance quickly killed the possibility of a three-way deal involving Minnesota, Phoenix and Boston.

The Suns, meanwhile, are understandably hesitant to part with Stoudemire and have tried unsuccessfully to strike a deal without giving him up. Even though Garnett would certainly help Phoenix in the short term by supplying an instant boost of veteran savvy, while also likely improving team chemistry and addressing their biggest weakness -- matching up with San Antonio's Tim Duncan -- Stoudemire is only 24 and would appear to have limitless potential after making the most high-flying comeback from microfracture knee surgery that the league has ever seen.

Although Miller declined to specify a team when asked where Garnett would prefer to be dealt -- "Too early," he said -- it's believed that Phoenix will increase its efforts between now and Thursday's draft to assembling a Stoudemire-less package to satisfy Minnesota's requirements, perhaps by pulling in another team or two.

Or perhaps they'll reverse course and surrender Stoudemire, which would finally lead to a real Garnett deal after ceaseless KG trade speculation over the past several years.

Garnett has "a good handle on the possibility of being traded," Miller said. "Kevin is an extremely loyal person, and loyalty is not a common factor among pro athletes, but in this situation he understands he has to put his long-term considerations ahead of the Minnesota Timberwolves' long-term considerations."
Author:  Hawkeye Vince [ Fri Jun 22, 2007 6:28 am ]
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The celtics are in no man's land right now. They tried to get the star to build on the run. Should Ainge now consider getting rid of his big chip, Pierce and starting over? I know Ainge has said several times that it doesn't to be average. Maybe he can get a lottery pick, some expiring contracts and be ready for a big run at free agents next year.
Author:  Bagels [ Fri Jun 22, 2007 8:06 am ]
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I love Garnett and he has long been my favorite player, but I don't see how the Suns give up Amare for him. Garnett has quite possibly hit his peak, while Amare is still on the upswing.
Author:  Spinnin' Bucket [ Fri Jun 22, 2007 8:41 am ]
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The celtics are in no man's land right now. They tried to get the star to build on the run. Should Ainge now consider getting rid of his big chip, Pierce and starting over?


The Celtics need to start over, and Danny needs to not be invited. If I owned the Celts, Ainge would be gone, Pierce would be traded, and we'd rebuild around Jefferson, the 5 pick, and whatever you got for Pierce.
Author:  Mustang Rob [ Fri Jun 22, 2007 9:56 am ]
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Baku wrote:
I love Garnett and he has long been my favorite player, but I don't see how the Suns give up Amare for him. Garnett has quite possibly hit his peak, while Amare is still on the upswing.


It's all about the window to win which is closing on the Suns.
Nash has 2 maybe 3 more good seasons left in his body, and with the current roster the Suns can't beat the Spurs. Garnett would be a better matchup agains Duncan & deliver the championship.
Added bonus is that you eliminate the Amare/Marion issue.
Author:  BD [ Fri Jun 22, 2007 10:05 am ]
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From today's Arizona Republic:

Garnett unlikely to join Suns
Kevin Garnett may like Phoenix, but he had better figure out how he could possibly be traded here.

League sources still painted a Garnett-to-Phoenix deal as nearly impossible, although the Suns remain interested and Minnesota continues to push a Garnett deal with teams like never before.

The notion picked up intrigue Thursday when espn.com reported that Garnett would not go to Boston but is "hoping" for a trade to Phoenix if he must end his 12-year career in Minnesota. The primary hitch is that the Suns are unwilling to part with Amaré Stoudemire to make a two-team deal palatable for the Timberwolves.
If Phoenix were to bring Shawn Marion into a Garnett deal instead, a third team interested in Marion likely would have to be involved. Boston has interest, but Marion's agent, Dan Fegan, has squashed the idea of Marion being dealt to the Celtics, two sources said.

A team acquiring Marion may face the issue of signing him to an extension because he is considering opting out of his contract next summer. (But that's doubtful because Marion's final contract year (2008-09) pays him $17.8 million. Marion will make $16.4 million in the coming season.)

Garnett has the same early-termination option next summer for his contract, which would pay him $22 million in each of the next two seasons. He also has a 15 percent trade kicker, which could add $3.3 million to the 31-year-old former MVP's salary.

In many scenarios, Garnett's salary could create even more of a luxury-tax issue for Phoenix, already facing a tax of at least $8 million next year.
Author:  Bagels [ Fri Jun 22, 2007 10:12 am ]
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Mustang Rob wrote:
Baku wrote:
I love Garnett and he has long been my favorite player, but I don't see how the Suns give up Amare for him. Garnett has quite possibly hit his peak, while Amare is still on the upswing.


It's all about the window to win which is closing on the Suns.
Nash has 2 maybe 3 more good seasons left in his body, and with the current roster the Suns can't beat the Spurs. Garnett would be a better matchup agains Duncan & deliver the championship.
Added bonus is that you eliminate the Amare/Marion issue.


I'm not sure if it's that much of a better matchup- to me it's a lateral move. The Suns-Spurs series totally changed when Stoudemire was suspended, for all we know they might have won that series.
Author:  Bagels [ Fri Jun 22, 2007 10:15 am ]
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All these situations are fucked up, and my guess is that out of Marion, Garnett, Kobe- none of them are going to be traded. How Marion thinks he's worth a max contract is ridiculous. He's a great player for sure, but no way is he worth that much. I really would be surprised if when he is a FA someone throws that money his way. With him and KG both not wanting to play in Boston and both possessing the ability to get out of their deals (although KG would be giving up a boatload of cash) they are going to pretty much dictate where they're willing to go by scaring the majority of teams away. It's going to be so complicated that I can't see any way a deal is done, at least now. Maybe closer to their impending FA both teams will lower their asking price, and thus make a short term rental more realistic.
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