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This last blow up with Noah is enough! Adrian Griffin has become the spokesperson for this team. Adrian griffin is lucky to be playing in this league! THAT IS NOT THE GUY WHO SHOULD BE SPEAKING UP!

Kirk? Where the fuck are you during all this?
Ben? Have a veteran presence in your bone?

Luol? Gordon? How much do you want?

Paxson, are you serious about this team? This team played as well as they could last year and we saw where that got us. We maxed out and got to a second round loss.

It didn't work! Admit it! Even Krause admitted when his plan A of Brand and Artest didn't work. Granted his plan B didn't work either, but he knew the end was there.

Gordon - Traded for sure this year for high picks
Wallace- Traded, for a second roound pick, just to get rid of his salary
Kirk - trade away, even though nobody still wants him, except pax
Nocioni- I don't want to trade him, but if someone will pay, I would let him go. I think he is a great 6th man. Can shoot the 3, play defense, drives.

Just don't get stuck in the area of having to pay Will Perdue $7 million and Greg Anthony $6 million just to get to the league minimum salary level.

and while we are at it. REFUND SOME OF MY MONEY!

Author:	bigfan [ Tue Jan 15, 2008 10:30 am ]
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This last blow up with Noah is enough! Adrian Griffin has become the spokesperson for this team. Adrian griffin is lucky to be playing in this league! THAT IS NOT THE GUY WHO SHOULD BE SPEAKING UP! Kirk? Where the fuck are you during all this? Ben? Have a veteran presence in your bone? Luol? Gordon? How much do you want? Paxson, are you serious about this team? This team played as well as they could last year and we saw where that got us. We maxed out and got to a second round loss. It didn't work! Admit it! Even Krause admitted when his plan A of Brand and Artest didn't work. Granted his plan B didn't work either, but he knew the end was there. Gordon - Traded for sure this year for high picks Wallace- Traded, for a second roound pick, just to get rid of his salary Kirk - trade away, even though nobody still wants him, except pax Nocioni- I don't want to trade him, but if someone will pay, I would let him go. I think he is a great 6th man. Can shoot the 3, play defense, drives. Just don't get stuck in the area of having to pay Will Perdue $7 million and Greg Anthony $6 million just to get to the league minimum salary level. and while we are at it. REFUND SOME OF MY MONEY!

Author:	Bagels [ Tue Jan 15, 2008 10:34 am ]
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bigfan wrote: Wallace- Traded, for a second roound pick, just to get rid of his salary Good luck with that. Maybe they can swing something with Isaiah.

Author:	good dolphin [ Tue Jan 15, 2008 10:36 am ]
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Wallace for Zach Randolph

Author:	Tall Midget [ Tue Jan 15, 2008 4:46 pm ]
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Paxson absolutely has to find a way to get rid of Wallace. He is the personification of the term "clubhouse cancer".

Author:	Brick [ Tue Jan 15, 2008 4:48 pm ]
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Tall Midget wrote: Paxson absolutely has to find a way to get rid of Wallace. He is the personification of the term "clubhouse cancer". I think Nene may get the nod on that one now. Did I just cross the line?

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Author:	HappyHour Jason [ Tue Jan 15, 2008 5:21 pm ]
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bigfan wrote: This last blow up with Noah is enough! Adrian Griffin has become the spokesperson for this team. Adrian griffin is lucky to be playing in this league! THAT IS NOT THE GUY WHO SHOULD BE SPEAKING UP! Kirk? Where the fuck are you during all this? Ben? Have a veteran presence in your bone? Luol? Gordon? How much do you want? Paxson, are you serious about this team? This team played as well as they could last year and we saw where that got us. We maxed out and got to a second round loss. It didn't work! Admit it! Even Krause admitted when his plan A of Brand and Artest didn't work. Granted his plan B didn't work either, but he knew the end was there. Gordon - Traded for sure this year for high picks Wallace- Traded, for a second roound pick, just to get rid of his salary Kirk - trade away, even though nobody still wants him, except pax Nocioni- I don't want to trade him, but if someone will pay, I would let him go. I think he is a great 6th man. Can shoot the 3, play defense, drives. Just don't get stuck in the area of having to pay Will Perdue $7 million and Greg Anthony $6 million just to get to the league minimum salary level. and while we are at it. REFUND SOME OF MY MONEY! Wow BigFan, quite the post!

Author:	My Coach Vinny [ Tue Jan 15, 2008 5:33 pm ]
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bigfan wrote: Kirk? Where the fuck are you during all this? Maybe busy picking furniture for his Bannockburn mansion.

Author:	walkrman5 [ Tue Jan 15, 2008 5:59 pm ]
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Doesn't an NBA trade have to match up $$$ with $$$ ?? Trading Wallace for a 2nd round pick would have to include some salary "swap" back to the bulls right? No matter, I get the point and agree that this team needs a new look & certain players LAUNCHED. I thought briefly about getting a small season ticket package. Thank God I didn't.

Author:	bigfan [ Tue Jan 15, 2008 9:19 pm ]
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This just pisses me off more and more, everytime I think about it (and look at my season ticket invoice!) This was one of the STUPIDEST moves of ALL TIME in sports! The damage this caused is not even close to the alleged help it will do, as I think it does NO help. Ben Wallce truned down being the captain, ghe hen steps up when he wants Skiles canned, he then steps up when Skiles is gone like he loved the guy and now he orchestrates this suspension.

Author:	walkrman5 [ Tue Jan 15, 2008 9:46 pm ]
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my sympathy BigFan. So tonight I was on the treadmill watching American Idol instead of the Bulls game. I honestly have not watched one complete half of a game yet this year. why should I...and I am a fan, but I find myself watching other games. One question....is there any feedback on the TV ratings for the Bulls? I have to assume they are way down. i turned to the game twice tonight and they were still down by 20-something and playing with ZERO LIFE. How can this happen over night??? Paxson really looks bad here.

Author:	mrgoodkat [ Wed Jan 16, 2008 1:18 am ]
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As far as leadership goes...Gordon reminds me of the awkward kid down the block growing up. I trade everyone but Nocioni.

Author:	good dolphin [ Wed Jan 16, 2008 10:18 am ]
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walkrman5 wrote: So tonight I was on the treadmill watching American Idol . don't steal a perfectly good bulls thread by coming out of the closet on the internet.

Author:	Mustang Rob [ Wed Jan 16, 2008 3:20 pm ]
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Nas wrote: So the plan is to start rebuilding with young players? I'd hit up the Nets with this offer Wallace, Gordon & Tyrus for Jefferson, Magloire, Kristic & Sean Williams. The $$ match and the move makes both teams better. The Nets can slide Carter to small & use Gordon as the SG. Wallace gives them the interior defense they don't have, and his free throw percentage is actually an improvement over Josh Boone (their current starter). Magloire would come here motivated to rebuild his value in the last year of a contract, and Jefferson could become the Bulls go to guy. Kristic, in the last year of his contract, has been hurt all year and is included to make the money side work.

Author:	Hawkeye Vince [ Wed Jan 16, 2008 3:32 pm ]
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I just can't see the Nets trading RJeff right now. He's their best player this year. Is he going to be a FA?

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Author:	Mustang Rob [ Wed Jan 16, 2008 3:40 pm ]
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Hawkeye Vince wrote: I just can't see the Nets trading RJeff right now. He's their best player this year. Is he going to be a FA? Nope, He's got 4 years left. I went into it looking at Vince as the player the Bulls get back, but his numbers are as good or better than Jefferson. Carter and Jefferson are pretty similar. Maybe VC trade would be more likely due to his age. The nets window with Kidd is closing soon.

Author:	Hawkeye Vince [ Wed Jan 16, 2008 3:41 pm ]
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Hell, give the Bulls either one. VC probably has more ability as a closer than RJeff and might have a bit less of an injury bug too.

Author:	Beardown [ Thu Jan 17, 2008 4:19 pm ]
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Author:	walkrman5 [ Thu Jan 17, 2008 4:32 pm ]
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"don't steal a perfectly good bulls thread by coming out of the closet on the internet." Did I say American Idol...I meant American GLADIATOR....yeah, yeah...that's it. Gladiators....argh

Author:	mrgoodkat [ Thu Jan 17, 2008 9:01 pm ]
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Zach Zaidman just shot down some caller who brought up Zach Randolph, saying that "he hasn't changed the knicks so why would he change the bulls". Is he serious with that shit? Its a complete unknown as to what Randolph would have been here. What we do know though, is Randolph is averaging 17 points and just over 10 boards. I dont think the knicks gave up much to get him.