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Author:  Darren - Tinley Park [ Fri Feb 01, 2008 4:38 pm ]
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I'd give him into next year to see how things play out in the draft and any free agents. I'm only giving him that much time because I'm rooting for him to do well.
Author:  Brick [ Fri Feb 01, 2008 4:40 pm ]
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I think the only option now is to wait for the Lebron/Carmelo/Wade/Bosh draft class to hit the free agency year and shell out the big bucks.

Anyone with more knowledge on the contract situations know how likely it is that any of them are available?
Author:  BD [ Fri Feb 01, 2008 4:48 pm ]
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I don't think he should be fired because I do think he did an excellent job of getting the Bulls back to respectability and out of salary cap hell that he inherited from Jerry Krause.

Trading Curry, albeit for physical reasons, turned out to be an excellent move, because he is still an overweight pud. Jamal Crawford has turned out to be a pretty good player....

Of late, it's been a lot of bad moves and inactivity. I understood the need to take a physical freak like Tyrus Thomas, but he passed on Roy and Aldridge. That's a mistake. Two big mistakes.

He traded Tyson Chandler for P.J. Brown, and then wasn't able to cash in on Brown's expiring contract.

He signed Ben Wallace. He was the best player on the board, and the Bulls had money to spend so it was more bad timing than anything, but not good.

We still don't have a big man who can score after a few years of talk.

We still don't have a point guard. Sorry, Kirk.

I'm not ready to pull the plug, but I'm not going to accept Paxson saying that this is just a bad year, and everything will be fine next season. There are obvious holes all over this team. No impact players for starters, but I have already mentioned some of the other issues. Unfortunatley, I worry that Paxson isn't willing to make a big move that would divert from his own plan.
Author:  BD [ Fri Feb 01, 2008 4:50 pm ]
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Boilermaker Rick wrote:
I think the only option now is to wait for the Lebron/Carmelo/Wade/Bosh draft class to hit the free agency year and shell out the big bucks.

Anyone with more knowledge on the contract situations know how likely it is that any of them are available?


I would say it's unlikely, and it's more than likely to blow up in their face. I don't know that Paxson would still have a job (Reinsdorf does love his GMs) if he waits until 2009 or 2010's off-season to gamble that one of these guys is available and willing to come to the Bulls. Of course, should one of these guys jump, the plan would be worth it, but that's a huge risk.
Author:  My Coach Vinny [ Fri Feb 01, 2008 4:53 pm ]
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I answered differently to make this poll look legit.
Author:  Tall Midget [ Fri Feb 01, 2008 4:57 pm ]
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Let's get the firejohnpaxson.com website rolling.
Author:  Brick [ Fri Feb 01, 2008 4:57 pm ]
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BD wrote:
Boilermaker Rick wrote:
I think the only option now is to wait for the Lebron/Carmelo/Wade/Bosh draft class to hit the free agency year and shell out the big bucks.

Anyone with more knowledge on the contract situations know how likely it is that any of them are available?


I would say it's unlikely, and it's more than likely to blow up in their face. I don't know that Paxson would still have a job (Reinsdorf does love his GMs) if he waits until 2009 or 2010's off-season to gamble that one of these guys is available and willing to come to the Bulls. Of course, should one of these guys jump, the plan would be worth it, but that's a huge risk.


What other option is there? I personally think Lebron will want out of Cleveland as soon as he can and to go to a huge market like Chicago or New York. Wade may like the idea of returning home to Chicago.

It looks like the potential big names out there are iverson, baron davis, jermaine o'neal, shawn marion, arenas, jamison
Author:  Psycory [ Fri Feb 01, 2008 5:00 pm ]
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I'll wait until Paxon finalizes the trade for Kobe or Gasol that I'm SURE is in the works. :roll: :oops:
Author:  BD [ Fri Feb 01, 2008 5:01 pm ]
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Boilermaker Rick wrote:
BD wrote:
Boilermaker Rick wrote:
I think the only option now is to wait for the Lebron/Carmelo/Wade/Bosh draft class to hit the free agency year and shell out the big bucks.

Anyone with more knowledge on the contract situations know how likely it is that any of them are available?


I would say it's unlikely, and it's more than likely to blow up in their face. I don't know that Paxson would still have a job (Reinsdorf does love his GMs) if he waits until 2009 or 2010's off-season to gamble that one of these guys is available and willing to come to the Bulls. Of course, should one of these guys jump, the plan would be worth it, but that's a huge risk.


What other option is there? I personally think Lebron will want out of Cleveland as soon as he can and to go to a huge market like Chicago or New York. Wade may like the idea of returning home to Chicago.

It looks like the potential big names out there are iverson, baron davis, jermaine o'neal, shawn marion, arenas, jamison


Make trades like other NBA teams do to acquire talent. I just don't think that sitting on your hands with a .500 team (I'm being generous) for the next 2 seasons while hoping for a big superstar in free agency is necessarily the way Paxson will go.
Author:  Brick [ Fri Feb 01, 2008 5:04 pm ]
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BD wrote:
Boilermaker Rick wrote:
BD wrote:
Boilermaker Rick wrote:
I think the only option now is to wait for the Lebron/Carmelo/Wade/Bosh draft class to hit the free agency year and shell out the big bucks.

Anyone with more knowledge on the contract situations know how likely it is that any of them are available?


I would say it's unlikely, and it's more than likely to blow up in their face. I don't know that Paxson would still have a job (Reinsdorf does love his GMs) if he waits until 2009 or 2010's off-season to gamble that one of these guys is available and willing to come to the Bulls. Of course, should one of these guys jump, the plan would be worth it, but that's a huge risk.


What other option is there? I personally think Lebron will want out of Cleveland as soon as he can and to go to a huge market like Chicago or New York. Wade may like the idea of returning home to Chicago.

It looks like the potential big names out there are iverson, baron davis, jermaine o'neal, shawn marion, arenas, jamison


Make trades like other NBA teams do to acquire talent. I just don't think that sitting on your hands with a .500 team (I'm being generous) for the next 2 seasons while hoping for a big superstar in free agency is necessarily the way Paxson will go.


That makes sense, but the well has gone a little dry on what the Bulls need. Garnett, Kobe and Gasol have been replaced by Jason Kidd. I think you can make some trades, but it's time to get into the free agent sweepstakes for some of those big names. I would guess that at least two of those four players will not resign with their current teams.
Author:  BD [ Fri Feb 01, 2008 5:07 pm ]
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Boilermaker Rick wrote:
BD wrote:
Boilermaker Rick wrote:
BD wrote:
Boilermaker Rick wrote:
I think the only option now is to wait for the Lebron/Carmelo/Wade/Bosh draft class to hit the free agency year and shell out the big bucks.

Anyone with more knowledge on the contract situations know how likely it is that any of them are available?


I would say it's unlikely, and it's more than likely to blow up in their face. I don't know that Paxson would still have a job (Reinsdorf does love his GMs) if he waits until 2009 or 2010's off-season to gamble that one of these guys is available and willing to come to the Bulls. Of course, should one of these guys jump, the plan would be worth it, but that's a huge risk.


What other option is there? I personally think Lebron will want out of Cleveland as soon as he can and to go to a huge market like Chicago or New York. Wade may like the idea of returning home to Chicago.

It looks like the potential big names out there are iverson, baron davis, jermaine o'neal, shawn marion, arenas, jamison


Make trades like other NBA teams do to acquire talent. I just don't think that sitting on your hands with a .500 team (I'm being generous) for the next 2 seasons while hoping for a big superstar in free agency is necessarily the way Paxson will go.


That makes sense, but the well has gone a little dry on what the Bulls need. Garnett, Kobe and Gasol have been replaced by Jason Kidd. I think you can make some trades, but it's time to get into the free agent sweepstakes for some of those big names. I would guess that at least two of those four players will not resign with their current teams.


Perhaps Paxson finds ways to improve the current team and keep that cap space the team will have after 2009 ? That gets a little complicated and probably a bit too creative for Paxson.
Author:  My Coach Vinny [ Fri Feb 01, 2008 7:03 pm ]
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Boilermaker Rick wrote:
Wade may like the idea of returning home to Chicago.


Yeah, he could then do Moo and Oink ads with his pops.
Author:  My Coach Vinny [ Fri Feb 01, 2008 7:06 pm ]
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Wallace has to go even if it takes Deng and Gordon to sweeten the deal.
Author:  Missed a Little [ Fri Feb 01, 2008 7:34 pm ]
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Let's not forget he is a big reason this team quit this year. He mishandled the Kobe trade and the extensions for Deng and Gordon. Now a well coached mature team should be able to play through distractions like this, but alas we saw how the coaching issue ended and how inspired the team is.

I like Pax but this is a cluster*&^%..
Author:  lamar hoyt's burrito [ Sat Feb 02, 2008 12:28 am ]
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Missed a little wrote:
Let's not forget he is a big reason this team quit this year. He mishandled the Kobe trade and the extensions for Deng and Gordon. Now a well coached mature team should be able to play through distractions like this, but alas we saw how the coaching issue ended and how inspired the team is.

I like Pax but this is a cluster*&^%..


there is no reason for any team to quit period. imo :roll:
Author:  The Original Kid Cairo [ Sat Feb 02, 2008 9:35 am ]
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Paxson will step down before he's ever fired.
Author:  dstrez213 [ Sat Feb 02, 2008 12:16 pm ]
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i know i posted it elsewhere, but im more sure of it now. Lebron is going to brooklyn in two years. the nets are going to deal everyone making even the smallest amount of money from now until then so that they can sign him. im not sure that this move will put lebron that much closer to a bunch of championships, but if i remember right i think he has quite a kicker in his nike contact if he plays in a major market. Lebron and Jay-Z are both pretty smart business men and adding king james to the ROC would look to be a sure thing, not to mention lebron hasnt exactly been shy about his NY love.
Author:  KDdidit [ Sat Feb 02, 2008 2:24 pm ]
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I say fire him asap. He's had a ton of high first round picks of which none have turned into all stars or have given the impression that they have all-star potential. This team has been living on expectations and has been overrated for the last few years just because they were competitive in the crappy East. Pax believed the hype on some of these players and didn't pull the trigger on any decent trades so as to not risk losing his "foundation." You hear all the talk about you need two willing teams to trade as an excuse for not getting anyone good, but somehow other teams manage to make trades for all-stars and the Bulls can't. All-stars...no all-stars on the Bulls since Jordan was here, that doesn't work in the NBA and, off all people, Pax should know that.
Author:  C_Howitt_Fealz [ Sat Feb 02, 2008 11:55 pm ]
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The Lakers just traded two piles of dogshit, an AARP member and two late draft choices for a player the Bulls desperately needed.

Paxson blew it, just as he's blown a lot of things along the way. It is time he pays with his job.
Author:  Darkside [ Sun Feb 03, 2008 11:05 am ]
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Someone mentioned the Curry trade. That was the peak of Pax's reign. The Bulls a team full of little Paxons, like Pax can't really see any talent beyond the guard position, and tends to overestimate the talent that his shooters have. I cannot believe that anyone on this team would have been untradeable before the season began. I mean, I know you can't really trade Wallace at this time, but there was much interest in Deng, Gordon, Noch and they were regarded as untouchable. What is so untouchable about those guys? Pax gets a D this year. I really thought that Joe Smith was the only decent move.
Author:  lipidquadcab [ Sun Feb 03, 2008 12:08 pm ]
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Send him to the same place that the PAX network went...
Author:  Evil J.A.C.K. [ Mon Feb 04, 2008 3:27 pm ]
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My Dear Sweet Hung over Friends,
This irritated me while I ate my breakfast today:

Michael Heisley on the trade for Gasol:

Quote:
"We negotiated as hard as we could for quality players and (the Bulls) refused to give up anybody in their core group. What they offered us were guys who play on the second and third team, so we turned them down."


Who the hell did they refuse to trade off the bench for Pao Gasol? Who? I say that this is clear evidence that Paxon is a moron and should be fired or forced to spend a week in a cell with FredsMissingNuts.

I love you all so much.
XOXO
Evil J.A.C.K.
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