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Author: | bigfan [ Tue May 20, 2008 9:30 pm ] |
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I can say that almost every other time in my Chicago sports history it has been very easy for me to say fire a coach or a GM. I personally did not like them, which made the whole thing easier. Dusty, Jauron, Tim Floyd, etc. But Paxson has demonstrated a poor judge of top talent, too many times. Telling me that he offered someone on his team that he feels is better than Al Jefferson for Kevin Garnett. I hate to inform Paxson that he has nobody better on his team than Al Jefferson. Next I role into the love of Capt Kirk. I haven't seen so many white guys like another white guy since Marky Mark did his 'drop trow tour' on Broadway in Boys town. Not only does Kirk play the same position as D Rose, but he is a big contract now that needs to be moved. |
Author: | Michael Jeffrey Jordan [ Tue May 20, 2008 10:43 pm ] |
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Hmmm, who could the Bulls get to replace a former championship winning Bulls guard for GM....?????....Certainly, I can only think of one name... |
Author: | Mr. Reason [ Tue May 20, 2008 10:46 pm ] |
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Nas wrote: Paxson has always selected the best player available in a draft with the only exception being the 2006 draft. He has all the chips he needs now to help the Bulls get a STAR player.
Nas, do you think he will make the right choice? It is clear to me. a basketball dope, that Rose is what the Bull needs. With Captain Kirk on the roster, do you think Pax will be of the same opinion? |
Author: | FavreFan [ Tue May 20, 2008 10:48 pm ] |
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Nas wrote: Paxson has always selected the best player available in a draft with the only exception being the 2006 draft. He has all the chips he needs now to help the Bulls get a STAR player.
I hope you arent talking about trading the top pick. If thats not the case I agree with you. We better not go into next season with the same roster + rookie. |
Author: | Brick [ Tue May 20, 2008 10:54 pm ] |
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Kind of like Mitch Kupchak and Danny Ainge, John Paxson is going to look like a lot smarter GM next year. |
Author: | FavreFan [ Tue May 20, 2008 10:56 pm ] |
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Boilermaker Rick wrote: Kind of like Mitch Kupchak and Danny Ainge, John Paxson is going to look like a lot smarter GM next year.
I wouldnt say that yet. He's gonna need to make a couple moves in the offseason, but his degree of difficulty just lowered substantially. |
Author: | FavreFan [ Wed May 21, 2008 12:02 am ] |
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Nas wrote: FavreFan wrote: Nas wrote: Paxson has always selected the best player available in a draft with the only exception being the 2006 draft. He has all the chips he needs now to help the Bulls get a STAR player. I hope you arent talking about trading the top pick. If thats not the case I agree with you. We better not go into next season with the same roster + rookie. If the #1 can get you a Kobe or Bosh type of player I think the Bulls would be wise to trade the pick. As of now they have too many of the same pieces and bringing in Rose without trading any of them would make it worse IMO. The Bulls have to make a trade for a super star. If trading the #1 pick accomplishes that I don't have a problem with it. I wouldnt trade Rose for Bosh. I understand why you would want to, but I dont think Bosh will ever be a true franchise guy. I think Rose can. Obviously I would give it up in a heartbeat for Kobe, Lebron, Chris Paul, Dwight Howard, probably Deron Williams, and maybe a couple others. Clearly none of them are available, and I dont want to settle for an All Star in return. I want a superstar. An All Star will get us back in the playoffs. A superstar will eventually have us back in the Finals. Rose may or may not be that guy, but I think he will be and I will be pissed if they trade the pick. |
Author: | FavreFan [ Wed May 21, 2008 12:41 am ] |
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Nas wrote: FavreFan wrote: Nas wrote: FavreFan wrote: Nas wrote: Paxson has always selected the best player available in a draft with the only exception being the 2006 draft. He has all the chips he needs now to help the Bulls get a STAR player. I hope you arent talking about trading the top pick. If thats not the case I agree with you. We better not go into next season with the same roster + rookie. If the #1 can get you a Kobe or Bosh type of player I think the Bulls would be wise to trade the pick. As of now they have too many of the same pieces and bringing in Rose without trading any of them would make it worse IMO. The Bulls have to make a trade for a super star. If trading the #1 pick accomplishes that I don't have a problem with it. I wouldnt trade Rose for Bosh. I understand why you would want to, but I dont think Bosh will ever be a true franchise guy. I think Rose can. Obviously I would give it up in a heartbeat for Kobe, Lebron, Chris Paul, Dwight Howard, probably Deron Williams, and maybe a couple others. Clearly none of them are available, and I dont want to settle for an All Star in return. I want a superstar. An All Star will get us back in the playoffs. A superstar will eventually have us back in the Finals. Rose may or may not be that guy, but I think he will be and I will be pissed if they trade the pick. Would you trade Elton Brand for Tyson Chandler? That's what it comes down to. Elton Brand wasn't a superstar but the Clippers made that deal and it worked out for them. The Bulls gambled that Chandler could develop into a Garnett type player and it never happened. That's the same thing the Bulls would be doing here. There is no guarantee that Rose or Beasley will become stars. Rose could end up looking like Jay Williams. No I wouldnt have done that trade and its one the reasons I love the one year rule. High school players were routinely misevaluated. We know something about Rose. We saw him destroy his closest competition in the Elite Eight game in Augustin. I have a very good feeling about him. |
Author: | FavreFan [ Wed May 21, 2008 12:50 am ] |
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Nas wrote: He also played in a terrible conference.
He sure did. He also played well against top teams in the tourney. You might be right, I might be right. Hard saying. Noone knows for sure. Im just willing to take the gamble because I dont want to turn into a pereniial playoff team that never makes "the Leap" because they lack a true franchise guy. |
Author: | FavreFan [ Wed May 21, 2008 12:57 am ] |
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If he eventually develops into a superstar PG like Calderon Ill hate to say I told you so. |
Author: | KDdidit [ Wed May 21, 2008 1:26 am ] |
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Nas wrote: I think he will. When it comes to evaluating talent Paxson does a good job.
How many All-stars or even potential All-stars has his good talent evaluation brought the Bulls? 5 years and we've had zero. Paxson needed to go last season and getting the #1 pick is just going to saddle us with his incompetent ass even longer. |
Author: | KDdidit [ Wed May 21, 2008 10:07 am ] |
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Nas wrote: If you look at all the draft picks Paxson has made there isn't one guy that you can say Paxson should have picked with the only exception being the Tyrus Thomas pick. It's possible that Tyrus could become a great player. Paxson has taken the best available guy. It's what Paxson does after the draft that makes him a terrible GM in my eyes.
Well anybody on this board could have taken the best available guy. I expect a GM to be smarter than I am. |
Author: | Hawkeye Vince [ Wed May 21, 2008 10:25 am ] |
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Nas wrote: KDdidit wrote: Nas wrote: I think he will. When it comes to evaluating talent Paxson does a good job. How many All-stars or even potential All-stars has his good talent evaluation brought the Bulls? 5 years and we've had zero. Paxson needed to go last season and getting the #1 pick is just going to saddle us with his incompetent ass even longer. If you look at all the draft picks Paxson has made there isn't one guy that you can say Paxson should have picked with the only exception being the Tyrus Thomas pick. It's possible that Tyrus could become a great player. Paxson has taken the best available guy. It's what Paxson does after the draft that makes him a terrible GM in my eyes. Hindsight's 20/20, but I'd rather have Iggy than Ben Gordon right now. (2004) |
Author: | Beardown [ Wed May 21, 2008 10:27 am ] |
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Gordon, Hinrich, Deng. Nobody picked after them was better. Tyrus Thomas might be the only mistake. Here is the only way Reinsdorf should fire Pax. Reinsdorf should ask Pax who he is gonna take before the draft. If he says Beasley then you fire him. |
Author: | Hawkeye Vince [ Wed May 21, 2008 10:31 am ] |
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[quote="Beardown"]Gordon, Hinrich, Deng. Nobody picked after them was better. \quote] You could argue that Iggy is better than Deng. He's a better overall player than Gordon for sure. |
Author: | KDdidit [ Wed May 21, 2008 10:51 am ] |
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I've said it in a few threads, you need stars to win in the NBA. In 5 years, through the draft or through trades, we have acquired zero NBA stars. We've had high draft picks, expiring contracts, and players that other teams wanted, we've had the necessary tools for trades. There's no excuse for the Bulls to lack the one thing an NBA team needs most, and I blame Paxson for that. |
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