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Author:  Bulldog Scott [ Wed May 21, 2008 2:45 pm ]
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I think the Bulls have to make a big 3 for 1 type of trade this off season now that they have the #1 pick. Use this thread to post your suggestions. For example, why not try and get Melo from the Nuggets for some combination of Deng, Thomas and somebody else?
Author:  Bulldog Scott [ Wed May 21, 2008 2:46 pm ]
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http://games.espn.go.com/nba/features/trademachine

Here's the trade machine. I'm not sure how up to date it is with salaries.
Author:  FavreFan [ Wed May 21, 2008 3:09 pm ]
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I dont want Melo on the Bulls. That will instantly negate any type of joy I am feeling from the #1 pick.

I would be on the phone with the Clippers talking about sign and trading some of our pieces for Brand and then select Rose. Im not sure it would take.
Author:  Bulldog Scott [ Wed May 21, 2008 3:13 pm ]
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FavreFan wrote:
I dont want Melo on the Bulls. That will instantly negate any type of joy I am feeling from the #1 pick.


I know he's had some off the court issues, but he is only 24 and wants the ball in crunch time. I'm just throwing that out there, because he seems to be available. Brand would be good. I don't know what the Clippers would want in return, though. Maybe they would take PJ Brown and JR. Smith.
Author:  Bagels [ Wed May 21, 2008 3:14 pm ]
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FavreFan wrote:
I dont want Melo on the Bulls. That will instantly negate any type of joy I am feeling from the #1 pick.

I would be on the phone with the Clippers talking about sign and trading some of our pieces for Brand and then select Rose. Im not sure it would take.


+1

Haven't really weighed in yet on the draft situation but my fear is that Paxson will take Beasley and then package Gooden with a bad contract to pick up someone else. I'd rather have Rose and Hinrich in the backcourt, forget Gordon and keep Gooden (realize its his last year). I just think Gooden is far from the biggest problem on the team. I just think a good PG is harder to come by and a large majority of the playoff teams this year have a great PG. I think Gooden is serviceable and like we have discussed, if he isn't your 2nd or 3rd option he's actually a nice piece.

Regardless, I don't want Carmelo. I don't want Wade. I want Rose
Author:  FavreFan [ Wed May 21, 2008 3:15 pm ]
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Bulldog Scott wrote:
FavreFan wrote:
I dont want Melo on the Bulls. That will instantly negate any type of joy I am feeling from the #1 pick.


I know he's had some off the court issues, but he is only 24 and wants the ball in crunch time. I'm just throwing that out there, because he seems to be available. Brand would be good. I don't know what the Clippers would want in return, though.


He is a good crunch time scorer and one of the most gifted offensive players in the league. But he is atrocious on defense, hes a selfish player, and his off the court problems seem to be getting worse by degree not better.
Author:  Bulldog Scott [ Wed May 21, 2008 3:24 pm ]
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Bagels wrote:
FavreFan wrote:
I dont want Melo on the Bulls. That will instantly negate any type of joy I am feeling from the #1 pick.

I would be on the phone with the Clippers talking about sign and trading some of our pieces for Brand and then select Rose. Im not sure it would take.



Regardless, I don't want Carmelo. I don't want Wade. I want Rose


I'm not talking about getting rid of the pick. I'm talking about picking up a star (if available) and holding on to the pick and drafting rose. The Bulls have a lot of pieces and everybody should be available (including Deng). It'd be nice to hold onto Deng so he could be the third option.
Author:  BD [ Wed May 21, 2008 3:29 pm ]
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If they draft Rose, at least one guy - Hinrich or Gordon - will be traded with a front court body - I think Gooden because of his expiring contract - for a front line player.
Author:  Mustang Rob [ Wed May 21, 2008 4:02 pm ]
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Bring in Rose.
Move Kirk to SG where he won't expand as much energy.
Let Duhon walk.
Sign & trade Gordon in a package with Noc for a back to basket type big.

Rose, Kirk, Deng, Gooden, Noah make an athletic up tempo starting 5
Tyrus, Thabo, Hughes, Gray + TBD from the trade is a deep bench.

They could become the eastern version of the Hornets in a year or two.
Author:  FavreFan [ Wed May 21, 2008 4:05 pm ]
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Mustang Rob wrote:

They could become the eastern version of the Hornets in a year or two.


It's possible but Noah's ceiling is being what Chandler is. If he reaches that 3 years from now then thatd be nice. Also David West is an awesome player. Noone on our roster including Deng is as good a 2nd option.
Author:  FavreFan [ Wed May 21, 2008 4:42 pm ]
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Nas wrote:
Maybe Riley and the heat will deal Wade to get the 1 and 2. I just pray the Bulls don't make a deal for Melo (can't play defense or rebound) or McGrady (injury prone and a loser). I would only trade the #1 pick for a Kobe type player. I don't see any of those guys out there.


Maybe Im in the minority here, but I'd trade the first overall pick for Dwayne Wade. Other than that Im not trading it because none of the other available guys are worth it.
Author:  FavreFan [ Wed May 21, 2008 4:48 pm ]
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Nas wrote:
FavreFan wrote:
Nas wrote:
Maybe Riley and the heat will deal Wade to get the 1 and 2. I just pray the Bulls don't make a deal for Melo (can't play defense or rebound) or McGrady (injury prone and a loser). I would only trade the #1 pick for a Kobe type player. I don't see any of those guys out there.


Maybe Im in the minority here, but I'd trade the first overall pick for Dwayne Wade. Other than that Im not trading it because none of the other available guys are worth it.


I agree. Add LeBron and Kobe to that list.


:lol: Yeah but they are not gonna be traded. No way it'll happen. I dont think Wade is available, but if they want to completely rebuild and think Beasley and Rose would be an unbelievable start, and it would, I couldnt make that trade fast enough. Wade has shown he can lead a team to an NBA championship and hes young enough to build around.
Author:  Elmhurst Steve [ Thu May 22, 2008 9:14 am ]
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Gooden and Hughes to the Clippers to get Brand back, if the numbers work.
Author:  Bulldog Scott [ Thu May 22, 2008 9:36 am ]
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Hughes isn't going anywhere. Nobody will want his contract unless the Bulls take on an equally bad contract (kind of like Ben Wallace).
Author:  Bagels [ Thu May 22, 2008 9:48 am ]
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FavreFan wrote:
:lol: Yeah but they are not gonna be traded. No way it'll happen. I dont think Wade is available, but if they want to completely rebuild and think Beasley and Rose would be an unbelievable start, and it would, I couldnt make that trade fast enough. Wade has shown he can lead a team to an NBA championship and hes young enough to build around.


Are you kidding? Wade has a lot of miles on him and plays a pretty reckless style. He's already showing signs of breaking down. If I could make a fire sale trade ala Garnett or Gasol for him I'd do it, but I can't see the Bulls as they stand today, plus Wade, winning a championship.
Author:  buryman [ Thu May 22, 2008 9:55 am ]
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Even though he plays reckless Iverson plays with less reagrd for his body and he's been around for awhile. He hasn't won anything but he still gives 100% and shots 100 times a game.

Wade could be that guy, but holy moly does not pulling the trigger on Kobe look for Pax after how this year played out.
Author:  Bagels [ Thu May 22, 2008 10:32 am ]
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Nas wrote:
Bagels wrote:
FavreFan wrote:
:lol: Yeah but they are not gonna be traded. No way it'll happen. I dont think Wade is available, but if they want to completely rebuild and think Beasley and Rose would be an unbelievable start, and it would, I couldnt make that trade fast enough. Wade has shown he can lead a team to an NBA championship and hes young enough to build around.


Are you kidding? Wade has a lot of miles on him and plays a pretty reckless style. He's already showing signs of breaking down. If I could make a fire sale trade ala Garnett or Gasol for him I'd do it, but I can't see the Bulls as they stand today, plus Wade, winning a championship.


Not sure that 5 years in the NBA= a lot of miles.


The last 2 years he has only played 51 games in each season. And alot of the times played he's been playing with injuries. I understand the Heat essentially tanked this year meaning he was going to sit at the end anyway even if it was a 'phantom' injury but I do believe he is truly was injured and is starting to break down

I'm not saying he's not a great player or anything, he's just not someone I would want to build around at this point.
Author:  FavreFan [ Thu May 22, 2008 1:31 pm ]
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Bagels wrote:
Nas wrote:
Bagels wrote:
FavreFan wrote:
:lol: Yeah but they are not gonna be traded. No way it'll happen. I dont think Wade is available, but if they want to completely rebuild and think Beasley and Rose would be an unbelievable start, and it would, I couldnt make that trade fast enough. Wade has shown he can lead a team to an NBA championship and hes young enough to build around.


Are you kidding? Wade has a lot of miles on him and plays a pretty reckless style. He's already showing signs of breaking down. If I could make a fire sale trade ala Garnett or Gasol for him I'd do it, but I can't see the Bulls as they stand today, plus Wade, winning a championship.


Not sure that 5 years in the NBA= a lot of miles.


The last 2 years he has only played 51 games in each season. And alot of the times played he's been playing with injuries. I understand the Heat essentially tanked this year meaning he was going to sit at the end anyway even if it was a 'phantom' injury but I do believe he is truly was injured and is starting to break down

I'm not saying he's not a great player or anything, he's just not someone I would want to build around at this point.


I understand your point and Ive heard the Penny comparisons, I just dont think hes near done. I think he's gonna be fine going forward, he's only 26, and if he is 100% going forward he's a proven superstar that can lead you to a title with the right pieces around him. AI plays a very wreckless style also and has made it pretty far into his career.
Author:  BD [ Thu May 22, 2008 2:21 pm ]
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Nas wrote:
Elmhurst Steve wrote:
Gooden and Hughes to the Clippers to get Brand back, if the numbers work.


A Brand deal might happen. The Bulls have the pieces to make it happen. Maybe a Drew Gooden/Tyrus Thomas and a Ben Gordor/Kirk Hinrich can get that done.


I was also thinking that Gordon/Hinrich and Gooden would be possible. Gooden has the expiring contract so that alone is of value, and the Clippers can use a guard with Cassell gone (and washed up) and Livingston coming off major surgury and having to be considered, at best, a question mark. Mobley is older as well so they can use a younger backcourt player.
Author:  The Original Kid Cairo [ Thu May 22, 2008 2:40 pm ]
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FavreFan wrote:
I understand your point and Ive heard the Penny comparisons, I just dont think hes near done. I think he's gonna be fine going forward, he's only 26, and if he is 100% going forward he's a proven superstar that can lead you to a title with the right pieces around him. AI plays a very wreckless style also and has made it pretty far into his career.

D-Wade is still my favorite player in the league and I'd love to see him in a Bullz uniform.

I agree with what everyone else has said about his style...I just think he needs to develop enough intelligence to pick his spots. Kobe was able to do it. M-Jeff developed his jumpshot and learned how to use it as a primary offensive weapon. Again, Wade has the talent to do so, but he needs to understand the necessity of adding years to his career rather than subtracting them.
Author:  Chuckle Nuts [ Fri May 23, 2008 2:09 pm ]
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Seeing as how no one wants Mello, I'm sure this is a dumb ass idea. But what about Zach Randolph. He's younger then Brand, we'll give you a double-double most nights and with him and deng in the front court with the possible addition of Rose could be very good for years to come. You could give up Kirk, Gordon, Noah? Or is Randolph a cancer who wont make you better despite his stats.
Author:  BD [ Fri May 23, 2008 2:10 pm ]
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I would like Anthony, but Deng would have to be involved, and I just don't see Paxson moving him.
Author:  FavreFan [ Fri May 23, 2008 2:43 pm ]
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Chuckle Nuts wrote:
Seeing as how no one wants Mello, I'm sure this is a dumb ass idea. But what about Zach Randolph. He's younger then Brand, we'll give you a double-double most nights and with him and deng in the front court with the possible addition of Rose could be very good for years to come. You could give up Kirk, Gordon, Noah? Or is Randolph a cancer who wont make you better despite his stats.


No offense, but that is a dumb ass idea. Zach Randolph will instantly make any team worse he's on. I know you might think Im stupid cuz he can be a 20-10 guy, but its true. His defense is beyond horrible, and hes a bigger team cancer than Pac-Man Jones. He's the cardinal example of why you should never judge a player based on stats alone. I would much rather have a player like Ronnie Turiaf. Compare their stats and you might think Im crazy, but I guarantee 90% of the GM's in the NBA would agree with me.
Author:  Chuckle Nuts [ Fri May 23, 2008 2:48 pm ]
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FavreFan wrote:
Chuckle Nuts wrote:
Seeing as how no one wants Mello, I'm sure this is a dumb ass idea. But what about Zach Randolph. He's younger then Brand, we'll give you a double-double most nights and with him and deng in the front court with the possible addition of Rose could be very good for years to come. You could give up Kirk, Gordon, Noah? Or is Randolph a cancer who wont make you better despite his stats.


No offense, but that is a dumb ass idea. Zach Randolph will instantly make any team worse he's on. I know you might think Im stupid cuz he can be a 20-10 guy, but its true. His defense is beyond horrible, and hes a bigger team cancer than Pac-Man Jones. He's the cardinal example of why you should never judge a player based on stats alone. I would much rather have a player like Ronnie Turiaf. Compare their stats and you might think Im crazy, but I guarantee 90% of the GM's in the NBA would agree with me.


no offense taken, I've haven't seen him play much but remember a lot of talk about him last year and i didn't hear anything about him getting in trouble this year but I also wasn't aware of his defense.
Author:  FavreFan [ Fri May 23, 2008 3:15 pm ]
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Nas wrote:
Do the Bulls have enough to offer Miami for the 2nd pick? I've heard Riley doesn't like Beasley. Maybe sending Hinrich/Gordon and Noah/Thomas plus taking back a bad contract (Mark Blount) could work. They could even throw in a couple future 1st round picks with no conditions.


Im like 98% sure that deal will never happen. I just dont see it.
Author:  FavreFan [ Fri May 23, 2008 3:19 pm ]
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Nas wrote:
The Heat are trying to rebuild and get out of a cap mess. If they don't like Beasley the Bulls are one of the few teams that can give them relief and young players/picks.


I never said it didnt make sense or couldnt work, but its not gonna happen. Pax doesnt have that kind of creativeness in him, and Miami tanked for a reason. They want one of those players.
Author:  Tall Midget [ Fri May 23, 2008 5:25 pm ]
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Nas wrote:
Do the Bulls have enough to offer Miami for the 2nd pick? I've heard Riley doesn't like Beasley. Maybe sending Hinrich/Gordon and Noah/Thomas plus taking back a bad contract (Mark Blount) could work. They could even throw in a couple future 1st round picks with no conditions.


Me likey, me likey!!
Author:  Baby McNown [ Mon May 26, 2008 11:20 am ]
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FavreFan wrote:
Nas wrote:
The Heat are trying to rebuild and get out of a cap mess. If they don't like Beasley the Bulls are one of the few teams that can give them relief and young players/picks.


I never said it didnt make sense or couldnt work, but its not gonna happen. Pax doesnt have that kind of creativeness in him, and Miami tanked for a reason. They want one of those players.


They've already said they want Rose and not Beasley
Author:  lamar hoyt's burrito [ Tue May 27, 2008 5:08 pm ]
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Mustang Rob wrote:
Bring in Rose.
Move Kirk to SG where he won't expand as much energy.
Let Duhon walk.
Sign & trade Gordon in a package with Noc for a back to basket type big.

Rose, Kirk, Deng, Gooden, Noah make an athletic up tempo starting 5
Tyrus, Thabo, Hughes, Gray + TBD from the trade is a deep bench.

They could become the eastern version of the Hornets in a year or two.

That was the excuse before that he had to guard the SG & not the point guards. He is the one to go along with a big.
Author:  Bulldog Scott [ Tue May 27, 2008 11:21 pm ]
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Nas wrote:
Do the Bulls have enough to offer Miami for the 2nd pick? I've heard Riley doesn't like Beasley. Maybe sending Hinrich/Gordon and Noah/Thomas plus taking back a bad contract (Mark Blount) could work. They could even throw in a couple future 1st round picks with no conditions.


I like this idea, but have no idea if/how it could happen.
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