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jg$ wrote:

http://www.suntimes.com/sports/977280,collins052908.article

FUCK!

Those boneheads on that team will walk all over him. He doesn't have the tact to coach a young team.

Collins would make a great assistant coach. He's a great X's and O's guy and absolutely superb at strategizing and drawing up plays. But he sucks at managing personalities. Hopefully this won't be the disaster that I'm thinking it'll be.

Part of the articles include that one of the young coaches who was interviewed will be brought in as an assistant. Hornacek or Corbin are likely. Either would be groomed as a successor.

Am I remembering this right or wrong, but isn't this the same situation that Collins was hired into by Jordan and the Wizards? Didn't they have the first pick and ended up being Kwame Brown? Does that concern anyone?

FavreFan wrote:

Kid's analysis is absolutely right. He is an excellent X's and O's guy and knows the game of basketball extremely well. But guess who else fits that description....... Flip Saunders. Same type of coach. This is a horrible hire. Doug Collins is not an above average coach in any way.

You're right he is a good/great coach. Not surprising we have a different opinion once again.

FF, in the short time I been around here I have continually noticed something, you are seemingly always unhappy about things? Does anything make you happy?

Yeah he really had to suck to have a .567 winning percentage before he got to Washington and to nearly take that terrible team in cap hell to the playoffs. You do realize MJ was still playing when he was coaching Detroit. They were 19-63 before he got to Washington.

Author:	Hawkeye Vince [ Thu May 29, 2008 9:41 am ]
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Hmm, why?

Author:	Brick [ Thu May 29, 2008 9:44 am ]
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Hmm, when?

Author:	jg$ [ Thu May 29, 2008 9:44 am ]
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Will Doug Collins take them back to point B, and Phil have to come back to get to point C. This is killing my draft lottery buzz!!!!

Author:	The Original Kid Cairo [ Thu May 29, 2008 9:45 am ]
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Hawkeye Vince wrote: Hmm, why? Please elaborate. Did they hire him or are they interviewing him? An either case, I'd urge Pax to review Doug's tenures with Detroit and Washington. He's not exactly a guy who commands respect amongst his players.

Author:	jg$ [ Thu May 29, 2008 9:46 am ]
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Author:	Brick [ Thu May 29, 2008 9:49 am ]
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I think he's better than Avery Johnson, who didn't do well with lots of talent in Dallas. I can't really come up with a better option at this point. That's not a good thing.

Author:	Mr. Reason [ Thu May 29, 2008 9:49 am ]
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Pax needs to get him the building and get his basketball information.

Author:	BD [ Thu May 29, 2008 9:55 am ]
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My first thought is, Paxson had better keep that list of coaches around, and maybe even hire one of those guys (like Hornacek) as a top assistant coach because Collins has a history of burning out on the job. I don’t think he’ll coach here longer than 2-3 years, based on his history. My 2nd thought is will he have blonde hair in Chicago? I thought he was going Hollywood when he dyed his hair. I don’t think it’s a good look. My 3rd thought is how he any different than Scott Skiles? He is a winning coach, he’ll probably bring discipline back, but how long until the players get sick of him?

Author:	Hawkeye Vince [ Thu May 29, 2008 9:56 am ]
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Kid Cairo wrote: jg$ wrote: http://www.suntimes.com/sports/977280,collins052908.article FUCK! Those boneheads on that team will walk all over him. He doesn't have the tact to coach a young team. Collins would make a great assistant coach. He's a great X's and O's guy and absolutely superb at strategizing and drawing up plays. But he sucks at managing personalities. Hopefully this won't be the disaster that I'm thinking it'll be. That's why I posted the 'Why?' earlier. I'm listening to S&W and they are all over it. Trib is reporting it too http://chicagosports.chicagotribune.com ... 1691.story

Author:	BD [ Thu May 29, 2008 10:01 am ]
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Anyone know what Doug Collins has said on TNT regarding the Bulls #1 pick? Has he revealed any preferences during any of these games if the subject has come up?

Author:	Hawkeye Vince [ Thu May 29, 2008 10:06 am ]
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Part of the articles include that one of the young coaches who was interviewed will be brought in as an assistant. Hornacek or Corbin are likely. Either would be groomed as a successor.

Author:	BD [ Thu May 29, 2008 10:09 am ]
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Hawkeye Vince wrote: Part of the articles include that one of the young coaches who was interviewed will be brought in as an assistant. Hornacek or Corbin are likely. Either would be groomed as a successor. That would make sense. Groom the eventual head coach.

Author:	Dr. Kenneth Noisewater [ Thu May 29, 2008 10:12 am ]
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Wow. That came out of nowhere. I like it.

Author:	Frank Coztansa [ Thu May 29, 2008 10:15 am ]
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Probably taking a leak on one of the statues at the Cell. This move...I'm not real sure about it yet. Knee jerk reaction is I don't like it, but I guess we'll see how it goes...

Author:	Tall Midget [ Thu May 29, 2008 11:34 am ]
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Based on his TNT work, Collins has always struck me as the founding member of the Kirk Hinrich Ass-Licking Society. Does this mean the Bulls really will take Beasley over Rose? Further, while I have a lot of respect for Collins' basketball acumen, I wonder if the selection of him as coach is further evidence of the crisis of confidence I perceive Paxson to be experiencing. Did he pursue Collins, a noted basketball strategist and thinker, because he now doubts the long-term strategy he has put in place for the organization?

Author:	SHARK [ Thu May 29, 2008 12:04 pm ]
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The hiring of Doug Collins came as a complete shock in my opinion. After the whole Mike D'Antoni fiasco, I was under the impression that GM John Paxson & Owner Jerry Reinsdorf were prepared to wait until after the NBA Draft to hire a new head coach. I wonder if having the #1 overall pick gave Collins the itch to coach again and vacate what seemed like a really good job with Kevin Harlan, Marv Albert and the folks at Turner/TNT Sports watching the Bulls and every team as the network's #1 analyst. At the same time, I think the Collins hiring is a short term solution until a newly hired assistant is actually ready to coach this team permanently. One last thing to chew on. 670 "The SCORE's" Brian Hanley, on assignment for the Sun-Times at the NBA Pre-Draft Camp in Orlando, brought up a valid point this morning when I heard the news on my way into work. He says the Bulls couldn't possibly hire one of these unknown assistants as head coach given the 33 win season they just had and the fact they've just raised ticket prices at the United Center.

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Author:	RFDC [ Thu May 29, 2008 10:26 am ]
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I like this move as well. I will like it even more if the Bulls bring in Hornacek or Shaw or Corbin to take over for Collins in a few years.

Author:	Blender [ Thu May 29, 2008 10:33 am ]
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I'm diggin the idea...I would also really like to see Hornacek as an assistant under Collins.

Author:	RFDC [ Thu May 29, 2008 11:14 am ]
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Am I remembering this right or wrong, but isn't this the same situation that Collins was hired into by Jordan and the Wizards? Didn't they have the first pick and ended up being Kwame Brown? Does that concern anyone?

Author:	Bagels [ Thu May 29, 2008 11:17 am ]
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RFDC wrote: Am I remembering this right or wrong, but isn't this the same situation that Collins was hired into by Jordan and the Wizards? Didn't they have the first pick and ended up being Kwame Brown? Does that concern anyone? Was Collins suggesting they take Kwame? I don't remember that if so. I'm guessing that was a Jordan decision 100%

Author:	Hawkeye Vince [ Thu May 29, 2008 11:19 am ]
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RFDC wrote: Am I remembering this right or wrong, but isn't this the same situation that Collins was hired into by Jordan and the Wizards? Didn't they have the first pick and ended up being Kwame Brown? Does that concern anyone? No. Looking at the top 8 of that draft you had Kwame Brown Tyson Chandler Pau Gasol Eddy Curry Jason Richardson Shane Battier Eddie Griffin DeSagana Diop Gasol was a player coming from Europe so no one knew what exactly you were getting. The only other top of the draft player looking back was Curry or Richardson. At the time, Brown was as high of a prospect as the rest.

Author:	FavreFan [ Thu May 29, 2008 11:44 am ]
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Kid's analysis is absolutely right. He is an excellent X's and O's guy and knows the game of basketball extremely well. But guess who else fits that description....... Flip Saunders. Same type of coach. This is a horrible hire. Doug Collins is not an above average coach in any way.

Author:	FavreFan [ Thu May 29, 2008 11:49 am ]
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Nas wrote: FavreFan wrote: Kid's analysis is absolutely right. He is an excellent X's and O's guy and knows the game of basketball extremely well. But guess who else fits that description....... Flip Saunders. Same type of coach. This is a horrible hire. Doug Collins is not an above average coach in any way. You're right he is a good/great coach. Not surprising we have a different opinion once again. Yeah he really took Detroit and Washington to the promised land. The Bulls for that matter too. He is a doormat that players love to walk all over. I would have much preferred Tom Thibodeau, we should have waited. The best compliment I can give this hire is that at least its not Avery.

Author:	RFDC [ Thu May 29, 2008 11:56 am ]
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FF, in the short time I been around here I have continually noticed something, you are seemingly always unhappy about things? Does anything make you happy?

Author:	FavreFan [ Thu May 29, 2008 11:57 am ]
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RFDC wrote: FF, in the short time I been around here I have continually noticed something, you are seemingly always unhappy about things? Does anything make you happy? Hmm... I didnt know I came off that way. No Im happy about alot of things, I just dont like my favorite sports teams making stupid decisions.

Author:	FavreFan [ Thu May 29, 2008 12:08 pm ]
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Shark you gave me an idea. I will not be as annoyed with this hire if they still hire a high profile assistant like Thibodeau with the idea its his team in 2-3 years when they quit on Collins(I really dont even think itll take that long). Just in time for Rose/Beasley's early prime. I'd be cool with that, but I doubt thatll happen.

Author:	FavreFan [ Thu May 29, 2008 12:12 pm ]
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Nas wrote: Yeah he really had to suck to have a .567 winning percentage before he got to Washington and to nearly take that terrible team in cap hell to the playoffs. You do realize MJ was still playing when he was coaching Detroit. They were 19-63 before he got to Washington. I also realize winning percentage is not everything. Flip Saunders has a .597 coaching record. Avery Johnson's I think is close to .700. Doug's playoff record is 15-23. I want a coach that can lead us to a championship. Its abundantly clear Collins cant. If you want a guy that can get us 45 wins every season and make it to the second round once in a blue moon and thats it, I guess you got your guy.

Author:	Tall Midget [ Thu May 29, 2008 12:12 pm ]
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Collins will do a good job for a couple of years before he has a nervous breakdown and/or the players mutiny against him. I wouldn't think Pax or Reinsdorf perceives him as a long-term solution as head coach. And I also wouldn't think that Collins is planning on a long-term tenure as the Bulls coach.