I'll predict who they take and the Headline in the Sun-Times.
Bulls Pick: Rose.
Sun-Times back page headline: Every Thorn Has It's Rose
How you like me now bitches?
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| Author: | Tall Midget [ Wed Jun 18, 2008 12:24 am ] |
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Last year I was haunted by nightmares that the Bulls would pick Noah. They did. Over the past week, I have had visions of Michael Beasley wearing a Bulls uniform. I say he will be the newest member of the Bulls come draft day. Your prediction? |
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| Author: | FavreFan [ Wed Jun 18, 2008 12:28 am ] |
| Post subject: | Re: Bulls Pick: Get on the Record |
Tall Midget wrote: Last year I was haunted by nightmares that the Bulls would pick Noah. They did.
Over the past week, I have had visions of Michael Beasley wearing a Bulls uniform. I say he will be the newest member of the Bulls come draft day. Your prediction? I haven't followed it perhaps as much as I should be, but I think Derrick Rose willl be the pick. Also, per your Noah reference, I wonder which player you would have had them rather pick, sans hindsight. |
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| Author: | Beardown [ Wed Jun 18, 2008 12:31 am ] |
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I'll predict who they take and the Headline in the Sun-Times. Bulls Pick: Rose. Sun-Times back page headline: Every Thorn Has It's Rose How you like me now bitches?
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| Author: | Tall Midget [ Wed Jun 18, 2008 12:35 am ] |
| Post subject: | Re: Bulls Pick: Get on the Record |
FavreFan wrote: Tall Midget wrote: Last year I was haunted by nightmares that the Bulls would pick Noah. They did. Over the past week, I have had visions of Michael Beasley wearing a Bulls uniform. I say he will be the newest member of the Bulls come draft day. Your prediction? I haven't followed it perhaps as much as I should be, but I think Derrick Rose willl be the pick. Also, per your Noah reference, I wonder which player you would have had them rather pick, sans hindsight. Noah turned out to be a better player than I thought he would be. When I saw him in his last year of college, he really didn't impress me much at all. The year before that I liked him a little more. |
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| Author: | Beardown [ Wed Jun 18, 2008 12:41 am ] |
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Let's say they screw up and pick Beasley. This will be the Sun-Times headline. Un-Beasley-A-Bull Man, I'm awesome. C'mon. That's pretty good. |
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| Author: | C_Howitt_Fealz [ Wed Jun 18, 2008 1:20 am ] |
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Pax will trade the pick. Probably end up with a pile of shit, but perhaps he'll be able to dump Larry Holmes...er, Hughes. |
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| Author: | RFDC [ Wed Jun 18, 2008 7:46 am ] |
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I want them to take Rose, but we cannot go wrong with either one. Now we could go way wrong if they trade the pick, unless of course it is to Miami for Wade and the #2 pick which I seriously doubt would ever happen. So keep the pick and take Rose! |
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| Author: | Dr. Kenneth Noisewater [ Wed Jun 18, 2008 8:33 am ] |
| Post subject: | Re: Bulls Pick: Get on the Record |
Tall Midget wrote: Last year I was haunted by nightmares that the Bulls would pick Noah. They did.
This is kind of spooky. I had a dream last night that they picked Beasley. I swear to God. He was a rebounding machine in the dream games I watched him play in. I had a dream about the Kentucky Derby too. I hope this one works out better for Mr. Beasley. They should pick Rose. |
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| Author: | Colonel Angus [ Wed Jun 18, 2008 10:27 am ] |
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While waiting for the draft to begin, Pax will fall asleep and they'll miss their pick, a la the Minnesota Vikings. They'll end up picking # 15. |
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| Author: | RFDC [ Wed Jun 18, 2008 10:28 am ] |
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Colonel Angus wrote: While waiting for the draft to begin, Pax will fall asleep and they'll miss their pick, a la the Minnesota Vikings. They'll end up picking # 15.
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| Author: | WestmontMike [ Wed Jun 18, 2008 10:44 am ] |
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Shaq says to pick Beasley...so I'll go with Rose. |
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| Author: | MattInTheCrown [ Wed Jun 18, 2008 10:55 am ] |
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I still think they'll pick Rose, though I'm admittedly pulling that out of my rectal duct. |
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| Author: | Tall Midget [ Wed Jun 18, 2008 11:01 am ] |
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Nas wrote: Beasley.
I know that's who you want, but is that also your prediction? |
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| Author: | Bagels [ Wed Jun 18, 2008 2:02 pm ] |
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Nas wrote: It just makes more sense. Beasley is ready to step in and contribute. Drafting Rose will require the Bulls to trade more guards than they want to. That will likely result in them taking on a bad contract.
I should predicate this thought with the fact that I'm on record as wanting Rose. However, it might be worth exploring who Miami wants and taking them in hopes of swinging a deal and perhaps getting more back. I'm not sure Wade and Rose in the backcourt is an ideal situation- I think the Heat want to take Beasley and probably aren't interested in Mayo either. If the Bulls do indeed take Beasley perhaps they can spin him off to Miami and get somebody like Haslem or another piece for essentially nothing. |
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| Author: | FavreFan [ Wed Jun 18, 2008 2:06 pm ] |
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Nas wrote: It just makes more sense. Beasley is ready to step in and contribute. Drafting Rose will require the Bulls to trade more guards than they want to. That will likely result in them taking on a bad contract.
They arent gonna take on a worse contract then the one they already have in Hughes. They dont need to take on a bad contract if they wanna trade Kirk or Gordon, those players still do have value to certain teams. |
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| Author: | Brick [ Wed Jun 18, 2008 2:08 pm ] |
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Nas wrote: It just makes more sense. Beasley is ready to step in and contribute. Drafting Rose will require the Bulls to trade more guards than they want to. That will likely result in them taking on a bad contract.
You don't draft with the first pick based off of need. That's been the reasoning for many of the greatest draft blunders in history. No need for Jordan because we have Drexler. No need for Carmelo Anthony, let's take Darko. Kirk Hinrich is not good enough to have a reserved spot at PG. He'll be great trade bait or he can try and play the two but Hinrich is nothing more than an average starting PG. Beasley will make the PF position better for the Bulls. Derrick Rose would make all 5 positions better. |
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| Author: | Tad Queasy [ Wed Jun 18, 2008 2:12 pm ] |
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I agree with what Boilermaker Rick said. I'd like them to take Rose, too. Nice potential headlines, Beardown! I've been waiting for years for someone to use "A Carmody of Errors" headline in reference to Northwestern buckets. |
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| Author: | Brick [ Wed Jun 18, 2008 2:27 pm ] |
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Nas wrote: He could in 3 or 4 years. It won't happen right away. Beasley will have an impact on day 1. Paxson thought just like you a few years ago about Ty Thomas and passed on Roy. Potential isn't everything and sometime it's nothing more than hype. I'm not sold on Rose being the next great PG based on the NCAA tournament.
I hope I don't sound condescending here, but if you think that Derrick Rose is as NBA ready as Tyrus Thomas was then you haven't seen enough Derrick Rose. Tyrus Thomas still isn't playing starters minutes. Derrick Rose will be playing starters minutes by the all star break. Beasley may put up slightly better numbers in his rookie year, but Rose won't be far behind. The only reason that I don't predict Derrick Rose to start from day one is that I think that he will be forced to prove that he's better than Kirk Hinrich. This won't take long. Tyrus Thomas was raw athleticism. That was where his potential came from. Derrick Rose does not have raw athleticism. You can't really make a comparison between Tyrus Thomas and any PG. They are completely different players. Derrick Rose is much closer to Chris Paul coming out of college than he was to Tyrus Thomas. Derrick Rose has potential, but he's already good enough to start in the NBA. Tyrus Thomas still isn't. |
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| Author: | SHARK [ Wed Jun 18, 2008 2:33 pm ] |
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Derrick Rose will be the Bulls' #1 pick. I saw enough of him dating back to when he guided Simeon to back-to-back Public League titles and a couple of IHSA Class "AA" state Championships to recognize a very special basketball player. Bulls' fans will really like watching Rose play, and he'll make everyone else better. He may actually ease some of the uncertainty of rookie head coach Vinny Del Negro this fall & winter. If they don't take Rose, the Bulls will be even sorrier than they were a year ago when they were fortunate to win 33 games. |
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| Author: | mr_gimp [ Wed Jun 18, 2008 8:28 pm ] |
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Good God, Michael Beasley is 6'7"!!! If he was 6'10", then I can understand a debate. Gentlemen, this is a no-brainer. This is as certain as death and taxes. Derrick Rose will be the Bulls pick. |
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| Author: | FavreFan [ Wed Jun 18, 2008 8:38 pm ] |
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Nas wrote: Rose struggled playing against Conference USA talent
Thats not true at all. |
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| Author: | FavreFan [ Wed Jun 18, 2008 11:39 pm ] |
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Nas Im pretty convinced you are as wrong about Rose as you are that Beasley projects as an NBA Center. He did dominate against top competition. Against the small schools he didnt play as many minutes and most of those games were decided by halftime. This kid isnt a project. |
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| Author: | FavreFan [ Wed Jun 18, 2008 11:54 pm ] |
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Nas wrote: Considering he is a PG I knew you would think he is ready to go into the league and dominate. He play 25 mins or more in 33 games. He never played less than 21 mins in the other 7 games but still only managed 5 assists and 3 turnovers. He did this against mediocre talent. I would like to believe the players in the NBA are better than the players in C-USA. When you combine this with the fact that he says most of the time he doesn't know what he is doing then I can't see how you take a guy like that with the #1 pick when you are in the position the Bulls are in.
I dont think he's ready to dominate his rookie season but he's no project either. You know, there is a middle ground between those two. Is Beasley still gonna be a 7'2'' Center? |
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| Author: | FavreFan [ Thu Jun 19, 2008 12:18 am ] |
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Nas wrote: Rose may be a better player in 4 years but he isn't now and I don't want to wait 4 years to see if it can happen.
Dont worry, I dont think youll have to. |
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| Author: | FavreFan [ Thu Jun 19, 2008 12:55 am ] |
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Nas wrote: So you also think the Bulls will draft Beasley?
 I hope not, we already have a SF that supposedly is supposed to be pretty good, and a probable 20-10 PF with the right PG. |
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| Author: | good dolphin [ Thu Jun 19, 2008 10:03 am ] |
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I had a dream that a ghost was talking to me. He said that I was ignoring him. When I told him I didn't know he was there, he said he had been talking through one of my family members. It was kind of odd, but I am used to vivid dreams with odd story lines. take Rose. |
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| Author: | Brick [ Thu Jun 19, 2008 10:07 am ] |
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Nas wrote: Derrick Rose is still raw. Beasley won't be slightly better than Rose in their rookie year he will be head and shoulders better. Rose struggled playing against Conference USA talent and you think he is going to come into the league and be a good player on day one. It's not going to happen. If he wasn't the 1st or 2nd pick he wouldn't be starting. It's going to take Rose about 3 or 4 years to be what some of you think he will be. Like a lot of players with potential it's possible he will never reach it. Rose is a gamble just like Tyrus Thomas was. They both played well in the tournament and the "experts" fell in love with them. This isn't the same as saying Derrick Rose and Tyrus Thomas are the same player or have the same skills. Beasley is a more sure thing like Roy was even though most people didn't feel they had the most potential.
You do realize that in Conference USA that Memphis was head and shoulders above everyone else in the conference at about every position? Derrick Rose was a freshman on a team with most of the other players being returning starters. He had to share the ball. Chris Douglas-Roberts had to get his shots and handle the ball too. Memphis was dominating the whole conference. They had great team balance. No one that follows college basketball was shocked that Derrick Rose wasn't putting up dominant numbers. Why are you not pushing for Eric Gordon over Derrick Rose? Eric Gordon had much better numbers. Why are you not pushing for Kevin Love? He had better numbers. The tournament is a much better judge of the talents of Derrick Rose because they conference he was playing against did not put up a serious threat to beating Memphis. They had players on the bench who were better than some of the other teams starters. I watched Tyrus Thomas in college, and Derrick Rose is no Tyrus Thomas. Tyrus Thomas wasn't even the best post player on his team. Glen Davis was better. Tyrus Thomas moved up because of how he looked like when measuring athleticism. Derrick Rose moved up by being the best player in the NCAA tournament. Tyrus Thomas is still not a starting NBA player. Derrick Rose will be one next year. |
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| Author: | Bagels [ Thu Jun 19, 2008 10:08 am ] |
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I'm not sure how projecting his college assist numbers is fair...it's pretty hard in college to average more than 5 or 6 assists a game, even for a great PG |
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| Author: | Walt Williams Neck [ Thu Jun 19, 2008 11:09 am ] |
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There's a Rose in a fisted glove and the eagle flies with the dove and Beasley reminds me way too much of Marcus Fizer! |
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| Author: | RFDC [ Thu Jun 19, 2008 11:12 am ] |
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While I think Rose is the better choice with the 1st pick, I do not think the Fizer comparisons are accurate. Beasley is WAY better than Fizer. |
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