Im curious to see if Harris and Vince combine to drop 70 on us. The Bulls play pathetic defense. Im not sure this is Our Coach Vinny's fault, but Im certainly not overly impressed with his coaching in the few games Ive seen.

Skiles got this same group of players to be very good defensively for multiple seasons. Their current lack of defensive commitment surely must at least partially reflect on his skills as a coach.

I agree to an extent, but the only reason Im not putting the full blame on Vinny is because over the past season or two you could already see them drastically regressing in terms of effort/defense. Also Boylan was one of the most overmatched coaches Ive seen in the league probably since Mike Montgomery. Having him for most of a season added to the decline. I just want Ben Gordon out of Chicago. He is clearly a me-first, no defense gunner whos trying to get his stats so he can get paid somewhere else after the season. Hughes is also terrible, I hate when they are in the game. Sefalosha doesnt have alot of talent but at least he plays team ball and tries on defense. Id rather see him in more than them.

Just a question FF,how are they going to replace his 20 points per night???????

By getting a SG that doesnt give up 25 ppg a night and creates plays for others.

I agree to an extent, but the only reason Im not putting the full blame on Vinny is because over the past season or two you could already see them drastically regressing in terms of effort/defense. Also Boylan was one of the most overmatched coaches Ive seen in the league probably since Mike Montgomery. Having him for most of a season added to the decline. I just want Ben Gordon out of Chicago. He is clearly a me-first, no defense gunner whos trying to get his stats so he can get paid somewhere else after the season. Hughes is also terrible, I hate when they are in the game. Sefalosha doesnt have alot of talent but at least he plays team ball and tries on defense. Id rather see him in more than them.

See thats not an answer to the question............... who!!He's also 2nd on the team in assists

there are three divisions on this team of players:

Rose

the hot/cold jump shooters: Deng, Noc, Hinrich, Gordon, Gooden, Hughes, Hunter...

the really really bad: Noah, White Panther, Sef, Simmons...

That's a whole team of bad. Making the playoffs will be a minor miracle.

I never thought I'd ever see Mike Montgomery's name again, thanks FF

Perfect example tonight. Ben scores 24, him and Hughes play relatively decent offensively. Vince still did whatever he wanted all night long, and if he felt like giving effort, which he clearly didnt, could have dropped 40-50. Thats always been Vinces problem. Just imagine this guys career arc if he was born with the competitiveness of Kobe. Devin had a slow start but we couldnt guard him after the first quarter either. We need a big defensive guard so bad its ridiculous. Noah played alright tonight but clearly is not improving after an ok rookie season. This team needs a shitload of changes and Pax is too much of a pussy to do it and unfortunately the Rose pick probably saved his job for 2-3 more seasons.

Also I did answer your question... you dont need to replace his 20 ppg if you get a starting SG big enough and capable enough to not consistently make the other team's SG look like the Iceman Gervin in his prime.

Did you even watch the game?? Sefolosha started on Carter, Hughes played the majority of the minutes on Carter. Nocioni played some of the 4th quarter on Carter. Gordon was guarding Simmons most of the game. Last time the two teams played in Chicago, Deng was on Carter, Gordon was on Simmons. Gordon has been 2nd and at times the best Bulls player this season. Gordon is the least of the problems, the problems starts and ends with the putrid frontcourt.

Did you even watch the game?? Sefolosha started on Carter, Hughes played the majority of the minutes on Carter. Nocioni played some of the 4th quarter on Carter. Gordon was guarding Simmons most of the game. Last time the two teams played in Chicago, Deng was on Carter, Gordon was on Simmons. Gordon has been 2nd and at times the best Bulls player this season. Gordon is the least of the problems, the problems starts and ends with the putrid frontcourt.