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| Author: | NearWessSideHussra [ Fri Mar 27, 2009 1:59 pm ] |
| Post subject: | Better with Rose not starting |
They should try this no or limited D Rose lineup on the road and maybe take it into the playoffs--if they really wanna try to advance beyond the first round in the playoffs. |
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| Author: | RFDC [ Fri Mar 27, 2009 1:59 pm ] |
| Post subject: | Re: Better with Rose not starting |
No. |
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| Author: | DegenerateDave [ Fri Mar 27, 2009 2:01 pm ] |
| Post subject: | Re: Better with Rose not starting |
Making the playoffs for the Bulls means nothing this year. All it means is a lower draft pick. However, getting Rose valuable playoff experience will be a GOOD thing, so starting him and playing him as much as possible is tantamount to his development - even if it will be 4 games and done. |
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| Author: | DegenerateDave [ Fri Mar 27, 2009 2:01 pm ] |
| Post subject: | Re: Better with Rose not starting |
Making the playoffs for the Bulls means nothing this year. All it means is a lower draft pick. However, getting Rose valuable playoff experience will be a GOOD thing, so starting him and playing him as much as possible is tantamount to his development - even if it will be 4 games and done. |
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| Author: | SHARK [ Fri Mar 27, 2009 2:14 pm ] |
| Post subject: | Re: Better with Rose not starting |
You've got to be kidding me! Derrick Rose is far and away the Bulls' best player, and the only reason why he came off the bench last night was because of a right wrist injury. Derrick is the guy the Bulls plan on building their franchise around for quite sometime. There's no doubt he's a starter! |
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| Author: | spmack [ Fri Mar 27, 2009 2:15 pm ] |
| Post subject: | Re: Better with Rose not starting |
NearWessSideHussra wrote: They should try this no or limited D Rose lineup on the road and maybe take it into the playoffs--if they really wanna try to advance beyond the first round in the playoffs. Try again, NearBrainDeadHussra... |
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| Author: | rogers park bryan [ Fri Mar 27, 2009 2:16 pm ] |
| Post subject: | Re: Better with Rose not starting |
SHARK wrote: You've got to be kidding me!ATTITUDE Derrick Rose is far and away the Bulls' best player, and the only reason why he came off the bench last night was because of a right wrist injury. Derrick is the guy the Bulls plan on building their franchise around for quite sometime. There's no doubt he's a starter!BITE
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| Author: | lipidquadcab [ Fri Mar 27, 2009 2:19 pm ] |
| Post subject: | Re: Better with Rose not starting |
DegenerateDave wrote: However, getting Rose valuable playoff experience will be a GOOD thing, so starting him and playing him as much as possible is tantamount to his development - even if it will be 4 games and done. If little Danny Bernstein heard that, he would rake you over the coals...I seem to remember him going off on a caller a few weeks back about playoff experience, and how much it counted for the recent Bulls teams... Note: I agree with you... |
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| Author: | SHARK [ Fri Mar 27, 2009 2:22 pm ] |
| Post subject: | Re: Better with Rose not starting |
That's as dumb as Jiggetts & North's argument in the Sun-Times concerning whether to give Vinny Del Negro a contract extension after only 1 season. |
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| Author: | Rocks and Blows [ Fri Mar 27, 2009 2:52 pm ] |
| Post subject: | Re: Better with Rose not starting |
Great idea nearwestsidewaltwilliamsneck! |
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| Author: | MattInTheCrown [ Fri Mar 27, 2009 3:03 pm ] |
| Post subject: | Re: Better with Rose not starting |
DegenerateDave wrote: Making the playoffs for the Bulls means nothing this year. All it means is a lower draft pick. However, getting Rose valuable playoff experience will be a GOOD thing, so starting him and playing him as much as possible is tantamount to his development - even if it will be 4 games and done. You can say that again! Oh, wait, you did. |
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| Author: | BD [ Fri Mar 27, 2009 3:09 pm ] |
| Post subject: | Re: Better with Rose not starting |
NearWessSideHussra wrote: They should try this no or limited D Rose lineup on the road and maybe take it into the playoffs--if they really wanna try to advance beyond the first round in the playoffs. Yes, that one game sample showed that. Good research. |
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| Author: | Beardown [ Fri Mar 27, 2009 3:18 pm ] |
| Post subject: | Re: Better with Rose not starting |
Rose shouldn't start cuz of yesterday? What? Bulls have the 3rd best record in the East since the All-star break. That was with Rose starting all but one game. Let's use that sample and continue starting him. Oh...also cuz he's awesome and the best player on the Bulls, he's one of the quickest players in the NBA, is shooting 47% from the field and is already a top 5 point guard. |
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| Author: | NearWessSideHussra [ Fri Mar 27, 2009 3:24 pm ] |
| Post subject: | Re: Better with Rose not starting |
I'm as much a D Rose fan as anyone. I thought people calling for Beasley were nutso. So far Rose looks to be the better pick, but, regardless of whether Beasley becomes a great player, Rose was and is the better choice for the 2008 Bulls and beyond. Rose is a rookie, he's going to hit the NBA rookie wall. Reducing his playing time now might be a way to keep him sharp into the post-season, rather than have him hit the wall, start having bad games and then lose confidence as a result. And there's the learning opportunity of sitting on the Bulls bench with the assistants (Bulls have probably the best assistant coaches in the NBA) and the veteran players and just watching and discussing the game rather than spending a few minutes here and there on the bench trying to catch his breath. And the team in the last 2 games has played the best basketball they've played all season. Not saying bench D Rose completely, but maybe reducing his minutes, not having him start every night could result in making him a better player than simply running him into and through the rookie wall. And it reduces the chance of a fatigued Rose suffering more injuries---speaking of injuries, if Rose's wrist is injured, why was he in the game at all? And if it's not injured, why didn't he start and play 35+ minutes as he usually does. |
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| Author: | The Original Kid Cairo [ Fri Mar 27, 2009 3:45 pm ] |
| Post subject: | Re: Better with Rose not starting |
Let's dissect this point-by-point, shall we? NearWessSideHussra wrote: Rose is a rookie, he's going to hit the NBA rookie wall. Reducing his playing time now might be a way to keep him sharp into the post-season, rather than have him hit the wall, start having bad games and then lose confidence as a result. First of all, he hit the rookie wall back in January so he's not going to get any worse than he is. And the best way to cause him to lose confidence would be to SIT HIM. You'd be sending the message of, "Gee Derrick, you were good enough to start when we were out of the playoff hunt but since we're in, we're gonna go with Kirk." Yeah, let's see what that would do to his psyche. NearWessSideHussra wrote: And there's the learning opportunity of sitting on the Bulls bench with the assistants. Dude, are you basketball retarded? Sitting on the bench next to the coaches has NO VALUE with regards to becoming a better player. You get better by playing. You earn experience by playing. You build confidence by playing...period. You think Del and Bernie are on the bench answering "Frequently Asked Basketball Questions?" They're diagraming plays and they're obeying Vinny. That's it. NearWessSideHussra wrote: Not saying bench D Rose completely, but maybe reducing his minutes, not having him start every night could result in making him a better player than simply running him into and through the rookie wall. Again, counter-productive and the "rookie wall" argument makes no sense. Rookies hit the "rookie wall" whether they start every day or whether they come off the bench with reduced minutes. It doesn't matter. This isn't Janneiro Pargo or Rick Brunson we're talking about. Derrick Rose is a SPECIAL basketball player. NearWessSideHussra wrote: And it reduces the chance of a fatigued Rose suffering more injuries--- Wrong. If he's gonna get hurt, he'll get hurt whether coming off the bench or starting. NearWessSideHussra wrote: speaking of injuries, if Rose's wrist is injured, why was he in the game at all? Because he's their BEST PLAYER. |
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| Author: | NearWessSideHussra [ Fri Mar 27, 2009 3:56 pm ] |
| Post subject: | Re: Better with Rose not starting |
The Original Kid Cairo wrote: Let's dissect this point-by-point, shall we? NearWessSideHussra wrote: speaking of injuries, if Rose's wrist is injured, why was he in the game at all? Because he's their BEST PLAYER. Salmons > Rose, at least right now and since Salmons joined the Bulls. And they have played their best basketball of the season in the last 2 games, with Rose either out completely or playing limited minutes. |
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| Author: | The Original Kid Cairo [ Fri Mar 27, 2009 4:00 pm ] |
| Post subject: | Re: Better with Rose not starting |
You're trying to draw a causal relationship between Rose not starting and the Bulls playing well. One has nothing to do with the other. |
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| Author: | spmack [ Fri Mar 27, 2009 4:00 pm ] |
| Post subject: | Re: Better with Rose not starting |
NearSmokinOnSessSide, I hope you don't think because Salmons is scoring a lot means that he is the best player. |
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| Author: | NearWessSideHussra [ Fri Mar 27, 2009 4:09 pm ] |
| Post subject: | Re: Better with Rose not starting |
W/L's -- only stat that matters. Bulls record this season: 24-30 with Rose but before Salmons 11-8 since Salmons 2-0 without Rose in the starting lineup |
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| Author: | lipidquadcab [ Fri Mar 27, 2009 4:14 pm ] |
| Post subject: | Re: Better with Rose not starting |
NearWessSideHussra wrote: 2-0 without Rose in the starting lineup Such a large sample size you are using there... |
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| Author: | Brian's Mojito [ Fri Mar 27, 2009 4:15 pm ] |
| Post subject: | Re: Better with Rose not starting |
Now Elmhurst Steve has a mult. I'm out. |
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| Author: | Douchebag [ Fri Mar 27, 2009 4:16 pm ] |
| Post subject: | Re: Better with Rose not starting |
NearWessSideHussra wrote: W/L's -- only stat that matters. Bulls record this season: 24-30 with Rose but before Salmons 11-8 since Salmons 2-0 without Rose in the starting lineup 
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| Author: | RFDC [ Fri Mar 27, 2009 5:34 pm ] |
| Post subject: | Re: Better with Rose not starting |
The Original Kid Cairo wrote: Dude, are you basketball retarded? I believe that answer to that is a big YES! |
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| Author: | Walt Williams Neck [ Fri Mar 27, 2009 7:04 pm ] |
| Post subject: | Re: Better with Rose not starting |
TOP 5 POINT GUARD??????? Paul Williams Billups Nash Parker |
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| Author: | spmack [ Fri Mar 27, 2009 7:31 pm ] |
| Post subject: | Re: Better with Rose not starting |
Walt Williams Neck wrote: TOP 5 POINT GUARD??????? Paul Williams Billups Nash Parker Nash and Billups will be on the decline. Rose will supplant one of those 2 in the next year or two. |
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| Author: | SHARK [ Fri Mar 27, 2009 8:35 pm ] |
| Post subject: | Re: Better with Rose not starting |
spmack wrote: Walt Williams Neck wrote: TOP 5 POINT GUARD??????? Paul Williams Billups Nash Parker Nash and Billups will be on the decline. Rose will supplant one of those 2 in the next year or two. I agree, Spmack. I think Derrick Rose's overall game will only get better. Besides, I bet the Pistons are now regretting trading Chauncey Billups to Denver for Allen Iverson. |
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