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Author: | jimmypasta [ Sat Sep 12, 2009 12:00 am ] |
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Ok,MJ does not like "crumbs",we get it! To bring it to the Basketball HOF in what is supposed to be your "time to shine" in the spotlight was disappointing to me as a Bulls fan. Michael's bad feelings about Krause should have been put aside at this event at least. He is still pissed about the "organizations win championships" remark from Jerry Krause. I agree with both. The GM has to put the best players on the court BUT ultimately the players must win by performing as expected. He also teased about another comeback. Man,oh,man...He already sullied his career by joining the Wizards. He just did not look right without a Bulls jersey. Opinions are welcome! |
Author: | Aggravated Sox Fan Bob [ Sat Sep 12, 2009 9:03 am ] |
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There is now a generation of kids who never saw Michael Jordan play. At least the fans weren't blamed for anything, like they are consistently by Reinsdorf's other Low Brow operation. |
Author: | walkrman5 [ Sat Sep 12, 2009 9:10 am ] |
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I thought he was awesome & honest. |
Author: | bigfan [ Sat Sep 12, 2009 11:25 am ] |
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GOTTA LOVE THIS ONE!! "I remember having a conversation with Tex Winter, who was an unbelievable coach," Jordan said. "I was coming off the floor and I had scored like 20 points in a row to win the game. "Tex reminded me there's no 'I' in team. I looked back at Tex and said, 'There's an 'I' in win." |
Author: | jimmypasta [ Sat Sep 12, 2009 11:44 am ] |
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Repercussions are coming MJ's way for this horrible acceptance speech. No one is above the game,not even this ego-driven prick. ======================================= http://sports.yahoo.com/nba/news?slug=a ... &type=lgns ======================================= SPRINGFIELD, Mass. – The tears tumbled, flooding his face and Michael Jordan had yet to march to the microphone at Symphony Hall. He had listened to the genuine stories and speeches of a remarkable class. He had watched a “This is Your Life” video compilation of his basketball genius. Everything flashed before him, a legacy that he’s fought with body and soul to never, ever let go into yesterday. Yes, Michael Jordan was still fighting it on Friday night, and maybe he always will. Mostly, he was crying over the passing of that old Jordan, and it wouldn’t be long until he climbed out of his suit and back into his uniform and shorts, back into an adolescent act that’s turned so tedious. This wasn’t a Hall of Fame induction speech, but a bully tripping nerds with lunch trays in the school cafeteria. He had a responsibility to his standing in history, to players past and present, and he let everyone down. This was a night to leave behind the petty grievances and past slights – real and imagined. This was a night to be gracious, to be generous with praise and credit. Related Video Jordan speaks on honor Jordan speaks on honor More NBA Videos More From Adrian WojnarowskiAgainst Jordan, defense never rested Sep 11, 2009 Trail of Crumbs leads Jordan to Hall's doorstep Sep 9, 2009 “M.J. was introduced as the greatest player ever and he’s still standing there trying to settle scores,” one Hall of Famer said privately later. Jordan didn’t hurt his image with the NBA community, as much as he reminded them of it. “That’s who Michael is,” one high-ranking team executive said. “It wasn’t like he was out of character. There’s no one else who could’ve gotten away with what he did tonight. But it was Michael, and everyone just goes along.” Jordan wandered through an unfocused and uninspired speech at Symphony Hall, disparaging people who had little to do with his career, like Jeff Van Gundy and Bryon Russell. He ignored people who had so much to do with it, like his personal trainer, Tim Grover. This had been a moving and inspirational night for the NBA – one of its best ceremonies ever – and five minutes into Jordan’s speech it began to spiral into something else. Something unworthy of Jordan’s stature, something beneath him. Jordan spent more time pointlessly admonishing Van Gundy and Russell for crossing him with taunts a dozen years ago than he did singling out his three children. When he finally acknowledged his family, Jordan blurted, in part, to them, “I wouldn’t want to be you guys.” Well, um, thanks Dad. He meant it, too. If not the NBA, he should’ve thought of his children before he started spraying fire at everyone. No one ever feels sorry for Isiah Thomas, but Jordan tsk-tsked him and George Gervin and Magic Johnson for the 1985 All-Star game “freeze-out.” Jordan was a rookie, and the older stars decided to isolate him. It was a long time ago, and he obliterated them all for six NBA championships and five MVP trophies. Isiah and the Ice Man looked stunned, as intimidated 50 feet from the stage, as they might have been on the basketball court. The cheering and laughter egged Jordan on, but this was no public service for him. Just because he was smiling didn’t mean this speech hadn’t dissolved into a downright vicious volley. Worst of all, he flew his old high school teammate, Leroy Smith, to Springfield for the induction. Remember, Smith was the upperclassman his coach, Pop Herring, kept on varsity over him as a high school sophomore. He waggled to the old coach, “I wanted to make sure you understood: You made a mistake, dude.” Whatever, Michael. Everyone gets it. Truth be told, everyone got it years ago, but somehow he thinks this is a cleansing exercise. When basketball wanted to celebrate Jordan as the greatest player ever, wanted to honor him for changing basketball everywhere, he was petty and punitive. Yes, there was some wink-wink teasing with his beloved Dean Smith, but make no mistake: Jordan revealed himself to be strangely bitter. You won, Michael. You won it all. Yet, he keeps chasing something that he’ll never catch, and sometimes, well, it all seems so hollow for him. This is why he’s a terrible basketball executive because he still hasn’t learned to channel his aggressions into hard work on that job. For the Charlotte Bobcats, Jordan remains an absentee boss who keeps searching for basketball players on fairways and greens. From the speeches of David Robinson to John Stockton, Jerry Sloan to Vivian Stringer, there was an unmistakable thread of peace of mind and purpose. At times, they were self-deprecating and deflective of praise. Jordan hasn’t mastered that art, and it reveals him to be oddly insecure. When Jordan should’ve thanked the Bulls ex-GM, Jerry Krause, for surrounding him with championship coaches and talent, he ridiculed him. It was me, Jordan was saying. Not him. “The organization didn’t play with the flu in Utah,” Jordan grumbled. For Jordan to let someone else share in the Bulls’ dynasty will never diminish his greatness. Just enhance it. Only, he’s 46 years old and he still doesn’t get it. Yes, Jordan did gush over Scottie Pippen, but he failed to confess that he had wanted Krause to draft North Carolina’s Joe Wolf. Sometimes, no one is better with a half a story, half a truth, than Jordan. All his life, no one’s ever called him on it. Whatever Jordan wants to believe, understand this: The reason that Van Gundy’s declaration of him as a “con man” so angered him is because it was true on so many levels. It was part of his competitiveness edge, part of his marketability, and yes, part of his human frailty. Jordan wasn’t crying over sentimentality on Friday night, as much as he was the loss of a life that he returned from two retirements to have again. The finality of his basketball genius hit him at the induction ceremony, hit him hard. Jordan showed little poise and less grace. Once again, he turned the evening into something bordering between vicious and vapid, an empty exercise for a night that should’ve had staying power, that should’ve been transformative for basketball and its greatest player. What fueled his fury as a thirtysomething now fuels his bitterness as a lost, wandering fortysomething who threatened a comeback at 50. “Don’t laugh,” Michael Jordan warned. No one’s laughing anymore. Once and for all, Michael: It’s over. You won. |
Author: | RFDC [ Sat Sep 12, 2009 11:47 am ] |
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Give me a break. Wahhh wahhh wahhh Jimmy Pasta. |
Author: | Brick [ Sat Sep 12, 2009 11:57 am ] |
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I thought it was great. He could have held back on some things but Krause was a douchebag for saying that. Jordan would have won championships at any team he was drafted to. He said what he thought and was honest with his thoughts. I cringed at some of the stuff too but it was real. I have a bigger problem with all the people talking about how great Steve McNair was after what happened to him. That was fake. This was real. |
Author: | spmack [ Sat Sep 12, 2009 12:02 pm ] |
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Berstein is probably salivating at the chance of reading that piece on Monday. |
Author: | jimmypasta [ Sat Sep 12, 2009 12:34 pm ] |
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RFDC wrote: Give me a break. Wahhh wahhh wahhh Jimmy Pasta. Little mixed up. MJ sounds like the whiny bitch. I could understand a few quick jabs,but he just kept going & going... Bottom line: Great player,mediocre personality at best. |
Author: | Brick [ Sat Sep 12, 2009 1:14 pm ] |
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Charles Barkley speaks his mind and says whatever he thinks and people love him for it. He's just a better speaker and funnier and fat and jolly. |
Author: | Krazy Ivan [ Sat Sep 12, 2009 1:22 pm ] |
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Boilermaker Rick wrote: Charles Barkley speaks his mind and says whatever he thinks and people love him for it. He's just a better speaker and funnier and fat and jolly. I'd say he was more merry than jolly. But hey.....agree to disagree. |
Author: | Zippy-The-Pinhead [ Sat Sep 12, 2009 5:32 pm ] |
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Boilermaker Rick wrote: Charles Barkley speaks his mind and says whatever he thinks and people love him for it. He's just a better speaker and funnier and fat and jolly. Context Rick...This was a HOF speech for God's sake not TNT's halftime report. Jordan came off as petty IMO. A few jokes and stories would have been seen as funny and appropriate, but he went way overboard. There is absolutely no need to be mean-spirited. The Krause comments in particular were out of line.And at the risk of taking this thread in another direction I think Jordan (as well as Mariotti and his syncophant meatballs) took Krause's comment totally out of context. He never dissed Jordan or the team. He was simply giving credit to others in the organization who he felt played a part in the team's success (trainers, scouts, etc.) but never would be up on stage to be recognized. That's called class. Jordan showed that's one area he's lacking in. |
Author: | cubbiegirlshamus [ Sun Sep 13, 2009 7:21 am ] |
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Anyone who is not a Michael Jordan dick sucker will tell you Krause's comment was absolutely right and while Jordan except for one comment about his supporting cast has never acknowledged anyone not even Scottie Pippen in all these years. For all those morons who say that Jordan definitely would have won all those titles elsewhere, maybe he wins some but 6? And remember those were 2 totally different teams that won each group of 3 titles. Only constant besides Jordan in the 2 groups was Pippen. Krause even explained to the morons what he meant. He meant organizations all pull together to win and he was acknowledging everyone involved from the player to the PT ballboy. And not too mention Phil Jackson who completely forgets the evil Jerry Krause is the one who hired him when there wasn't exactly a line to hire him because of his eccentric rep. And Krause fired Doug Collins partially because of a coup Jackson pulled off. The media sucked Jordan's dick because if they said anything even slightly critical he never spoke to him again. Remember the baby whiny crap he pulled when SI dared say he wasn't the greatest baseball player in the history of the game? That speech just reiterated what a complete scumbag Jordan is. He is as bad of a person as he is as great as a player. A lot of a man can be said in the way he treats his wife and he was a scumbag to her. I know idiots here say she deserved it but no woman deserves the way he treated her. And to barely acknowledge his children almost as an afterthought in his speech. Of course he never cared about them as proven by how he treated their mother. The idiot braindead living mattress he is with now actually probably thinks he'll be faithful to her. He and the mattress deserve each other. |
Author: | jimmypasta [ Sun Sep 13, 2009 8:01 am ] |
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Zippy & Cubbiegirl-Right On Target!....good posts |
Author: | RFDC [ Sun Sep 13, 2009 8:54 am ] |
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jimmypasta wrote: Zippy & Cubbiegirl-Right On Target!....good posts Anytime you agree with Chubbyshamu it is never a good thing. . . good luck with that. |
Author: | The Original Kid Cairo [ Sun Sep 13, 2009 9:05 am ] |
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spmack wrote: Berstein is probably salivating at the chance of reading that piece on Monday. I doubt it. They'll take the stance that no one should've been surprised anyway. They'll say, "Hey we've been telling you about this guy all along." And you know what, they're right. They have been telling everyone about him but unfortunately a lot of his ass-kissers were so busy genuflecting to his altar that they couldn't really see his childish, petulant ways. |
Author: | cubbiegirlshamus [ Sun Sep 13, 2009 10:12 am ] |
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People have a habit of thinking great player = good person bad player =bad person. Jordan is a complete scumbag. Taking the low road just like he and Phil Jackson always have. Not one shred of decency among them. And they quit on the Bulls at the end of 98. They wanted to leave. I had hoped Michael would grow up once he had an inkling how hard it was to build a team but I guess that would require him actually working at his current job. When he builds a team as a GM that even makes the playoffs he can talk about Jerry Krause. He has never even once acknowledged Pippen. Speaking of Pippen when is he eligible? Of course according to chief Jordan dick sucker Mike North Pippen was a terrible player not even a top 50 player in the NBA when he was a player. |
Author: | crosscheck [ Sun Sep 13, 2009 10:15 am ] |
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cubbiegirlshamus wrote: Speaking of Pippen when is he eligible? Of course according to chief Jordan dick sucker Mike North Pippen was a terrible player not even a top 50 player in the NBA when he was a player. He's in next years class I believe... |
Author: | cubbiegirlshamus [ Sun Sep 13, 2009 10:27 am ] |
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Thanks cross. It would have been cool if they had gone in together though. I always thought Pippen was underrated. Everyone says he doesn't win 6 titles without Jordan but I don't think Jordan wins 6 without Pippen. When people compare Jordan and Lebron James one thing will be compared is titles. Lebron doesn't have a Pippen yet. |
Author: | RFDC [ Sun Sep 13, 2009 12:51 pm ] |
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I think OKC and Cubbie are going to be an item around here before long. |
Author: | The Original Kid Cairo [ Sun Sep 13, 2009 1:56 pm ] |
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RFDC wrote: I think OKC and Cubbie are going to be an item around here before long. Hey, I'm available...I'll try almost anything once. |
Author: | jimmypasta [ Sun Sep 13, 2009 1:58 pm ] |
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The Original Kid Cairo wrote: RFDC wrote: I think OKC and Cubbie are going to be an item around here before long. Hey, I'm available...I'll try almost anything once. Hope EXCLAMATION MOINT aint reading this! |
Author: | The Original Kid Cairo [ Sun Sep 13, 2009 3:01 pm ] |
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I would do anything for love...but I won't do THAT. |
Author: | jimmypasta [ Sun Sep 13, 2009 4:56 pm ] |
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