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Author:  cpguy [ Sun Jun 27, 2010 11:54 pm ]
Post subject:  Stupid, Stupid, LeBron James

by Bill Cody Written on June 27, 2010
Elsa/Getty Images Well, well. According to Jonathan Abrams of the New York Times, LeBron James has all but made up his mind to become a Chicago Bull.

http://www.nytimes.com/2010/06/27/sport ... han_abrams

If this is true, I think we can all finally admit that while LeBron is a great basketball player, he knows absolutely nothing about basketball. Even less about history.

I think it will be a good long time before James gets a ring, unless he goes out and buys one himself.

Because the Bulls as currently configured are one of the worst fits for James out there. Even worse if it's true that Chris Bosh is also headed to the Windy City.

I know, I know. The Bulls have such great young players. They've got Derrick Rose, Luol Deng and Joakim Noah. Add James and Bosh and they're gonna be amazing!

Here's the problem. Derrick Rose is a point guard with limited shooting range who needs the ball in his hands. He's not gonna have the ball in his hands playing on a team with LeBron James.

Deng and and Noah are both forwards. You're bringing in two more forwards, which means two of the guys are moving to the bench.

Then what do you have?

I'll tell you what. Another Cleveland Cavaliers-type team you can beat in the playoffs because there a consistent outside threat.

The one outside threat the Bulls had was Kirk Hinrich. He just got sent out of town to make cap space.

And for whom? Chris Bosh?

What has Chris Bosh ever won? What have any of these guys ever won?

I don't see this team competing with Orlando as they are configured right now. And they sure won't beat the LA Lakers if they do somehow get by Orlando.

That brings us to LeBron's other mistake.

He's screwed on the legacy front if he makes this move. He'll never be considered one of the truly great ones in my book.

The fact is the Bulls will always be Michael's team unless James wins at least seven championships, which he won't. Plus if he wins now after maneuvering to bring Bosh with him people will say he needed a talented supporting cast to win.

Unlike Michael, who only needed Scottie Pippen and the triangle offense.

If he loses, he manipulated the system, brought talent with him and still lost. Which believe me is a very distinct possibility.

Here's what he should have done, if he had real advisers instead of a bunch of money grubbing basketball know nothings like his agents at CAA.

He would have learned from Michael. Michael was one of the most underpaid players in the NBA for years. He took less money from the Bulls so they good get the pieces that helped him win in order maximize his money from outside endorsements.

Michael's wasn't the highest player in basketball until his last two seasons. He did make the most money, however. Michael was crazy like a fox in that regard.

When Michael asked for pieces to build the championship teams he knew enough about basketball to get the pieces he needed.

The Bulls got guys like Bill Cartwright and later Dennis Rodman to rebound and play defense against the bigs in the league. They brought in players like John Paxson and Steve Kerr to knock down those late shots, whether they had had even gotten out of their warm-ups prior to the fourth quarter.

Chicago never had a traditional point guard like Derrick Rose because it was pointless to have a guy like that on the team. The offense was always going to flow through Michael. That's why they ran the triangle.

It's the same thing the Lakers do now with Kobe Bryant.

Chicago with James and Bosh is four undersized power forwards and a point guard who can't hit his threes. A point guard who won't be running the offense anymore.

That's not a team that will make the NBA Finals. That's makes LeBron a Charles Barkley or a Dominique Wilkins.

Not Michael Jordan. Or even Kobe Bryant.

Then again the Times report could be BS. They were after all the newspaper that insisted Iraq had weapons of mass destruction.

And we all know how that worked out.

Author:  JasonB [ Mon Jun 28, 2010 12:08 am ]
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i disagree with all of that except derrick needing the ball in his hands and michael not needing a point guard. chris bosh has never won anything because he played in toronto surrounded by garbage and well..being in toronto. every great player needs talent surrounding him. kobe needed one of the best centers in the game both go rounds winning it all. shaq and then gasol. you can find steve kerrs and john paxsons floating around the league. its not like kirk hinrich was a rare gem that was just lost forever.

michael ONLY needed scottie, a top 50 player to win.

is the writer of this article a cavs fan?

Author:  NearWessSideHussra [ Mon Jun 28, 2010 12:21 am ]
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Author:  HOVA [ Mon Jun 28, 2010 12:53 am ]
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This article has to be a joke or someone really needs to lose their job. I understand rooting for the Knicks and all but that was one of the worst arguments I've read.

Author:  Rod [ Mon Jun 28, 2010 7:47 am ]
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cpguy wrote:
When Michael asked for pieces to build the championship teams he knew enough about basketball to get the pieces he needed.



The only thing Michael Jordan knew about basketball was how to play it. One of the pieces he desperately wanted was a far past his prime Walter Davis. If he knows so much about "pieces" why the fuck does he draft Kwame Brown and Adam Morrison?

Author:  Hatchetman [ Mon Jun 28, 2010 7:57 am ]
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wow. that guy doesn't know shit about the bulls.

Author:  Fitz [ Mon Jun 28, 2010 9:27 am ]
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Sure is New York/Cleveland butthurt in here.

Quote:
The fact is the Bulls will always be Michael's team unless James wins at least seven championships, which he won't. Plus if he wins now after maneuvering to bring Bosh with him people will say he needed a talented supporting cast to win.

Figured I'd cherry pick this statement to address what seems to be one of the larger arguments from the NBA community at large - that 'MJs shadow' is too large for any exceptional player to overcome in Chicago.

Hate to break it to you man, but any top-of-the-league player brings this comparison upon himself regardless of the team he plays for. Remember how quickly the announcers were throwing the MJ comparison at Kobe after this year's finals victory? Yeah.

As far as your argument that any championships he would win here would be tarnished because, 'he needed a talented core of players around him' - please listen to yourself. MJ couldn't do it alone (Scottie), Kobe can't do it alone (Shaq, Gasol), hell even DWade needs a sidekick to get a sniff at anything remotely close to a Larry O'Brien trophy (see: Kobe's first 'Robin').

I could keep rambling but suffice it to say; if this happens, the Bulls will be a very championship capable team regardless of what 2-guard they pick up.

EDIT:: After reading the post again - I figure the original poster could be a bitter Cavs fan as well.

Author:  cpguy [ Mon Jun 28, 2010 10:10 am ]
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cpguy wrote:
by Bill Cody Written on June 27, 2010
Elsa/Getty Images Well, well. According to Jonathan Abrams of the New York Times, LeBron James has all but made up his mind to become a Chicago Bull.

http://www.nytimes.com/2010/06/27/sport ... han_abrams

If this is true, I think we can all finally admit that while LeBron is a great basketball player, he knows absolutely nothing about basketball. Even less about history.

I think it will be a good long time before James gets a ring, unless he goes out and buys one himself.

Because the Bulls as currently configured are one of the worst fits for James out there. Even worse if it's true that Chris Bosh is also headed to the Windy City.

I know, I know. The Bulls have such great young players. They've got Derrick Rose, Luol Deng and Joakim Noah. Add James and Bosh and they're gonna be amazing!

Here's the problem. Derrick Rose is a point guard with limited shooting range who needs the ball in his hands. He's not gonna have the ball in his hands playing on a team with LeBron James.

Deng and and Noah are both forwards. You're bringing in two more forwards, which means two of the guys are moving to the bench.

Then what do you have?

I'll tell you what. Another Cleveland Cavaliers-type team you can beat in the playoffs because there a consistent outside threat.

The one outside threat the Bulls had was Kirk Hinrich. He just got sent out of town to make cap space.

And for whom? Chris Bosh?

What has Chris Bosh ever won? What have any of these guys ever won?

I don't see this team competing with Orlando as they are configured right now. And they sure won't beat the LA Lakers if they do somehow get by Orlando.

That brings us to LeBron's other mistake.

He's screwed on the legacy front if he makes this move. He'll never be considered one of the truly great ones in my book.

The fact is the Bulls will always be Michael's team unless James wins at least seven championships, which he won't. Plus if he wins now after maneuvering to bring Bosh with him people will say he needed a talented supporting cast to win.

Unlike Michael, who only needed Scottie Pippen and the triangle offense.

If he loses, he manipulated the system, brought talent with him and still lost. Which believe me is a very distinct possibility.

Here's what he should have done, if he had real advisers instead of a bunch of money grubbing basketball know nothings like his agents at CAA.

He would have learned from Michael. Michael was one of the most underpaid players in the NBA for years. He took less money from the Bulls so they good get the pieces that helped him win in order maximize his money from outside endorsements.

Michael's wasn't the highest player in basketball until his last two seasons. He did make the most money, however. Michael was crazy like a fox in that regard.

When Michael asked for pieces to build the championship teams he knew enough about basketball to get the pieces he needed.

The Bulls got guys like Bill Cartwright and later Dennis Rodman to rebound and play defense against the bigs in the league. They brought in players like John Paxson and Steve Kerr to knock down those late shots, whether they had had even gotten out of their warm-ups prior to the fourth quarter.

Chicago never had a traditional point guard like Derrick Rose because it was pointless to have a guy like that on the team. The offense was always going to flow through Michael. That's why they ran the triangle.

It's the same thing the Lakers do now with Kobe Bryant.

Chicago with James and Bosh is four undersized power forwards and a point guard who can't hit his threes. A point guard who won't be running the offense anymore.

That's not a team that will make the NBA Finals. That's makes LeBron a Charles Barkley or a Dominique Wilkins.

Not Michael Jordan. Or even Kobe Bryant.

Then again the Times report could be BS. They were after all the newspaper that insisted Iraq had weapons of mass destruction.

And we all know how that worked out.

This is not my post, but an article about the NYT story>>
http://bleacherreport.com/articles/4123 ... bron-james

Author:  Jalapenos and More [ Mon Jun 28, 2010 10:19 am ]
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Joe Orr Road Rod wrote:
The only thing Michael Jordan knew about basketball was how to play it. One of the pieces he desperately wanted was a far past his prime Walter Davis. If he knows so much about "pieces" why the fuck does he draft Kwame Brown and Adam Morrison?

Of course that's true, but just a little bit of rationalization on MJ's behalf. The 2006 draft was awful. He took Morrison at #3, Roy went at #6 and Rondo went at #21. Other than that, you've got some serviceable pros and a ton of busts. The Kwame Brown draft was a bigger mistake, but if he hadn't selected Brown, he'd have gone with Chandler or Curry at No. 1. Gasol went at #3, but hardly seems like an MJ-type of pick. He probably thought Gasol was friends with Toni Kukoc.

Author:  beni hanna [ Mon Jun 28, 2010 10:23 am ]
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cpguy wrote:
The fact is the Bulls will always be Michael's team unless James wins at least seven championships, which he won't. Plus if he wins now after maneuvering to bring Bosh with him people will say he needed a talented supporting cast to win.

So the Celtics are still Bill Russell's team then? :scratch: Stupid argument. Larry Legend was a fool to go play ball on the parquet I guess. A winner is a winner. Lebron can win a title or three and he has cemented his place as one of the greatest of his era. It will be about 15 years between titles when it happens. Plenty of room on the Bulls express for both MJ, Lebron, the teammates of each era, and their fans to worship them all.

Author:  Jalapenos and More [ Mon Jun 28, 2010 10:24 am ]
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beni hanna wrote:
So the Celtics are still Bill Russell's team then? :scratch: Stupid argument. Larry Legend was a fool to go play ball on the parquet I guess. A winner is a winner. Lebron can win a title or three and he has cemented his place as one of the greatest of his era. It will be about 15 years between titles when it happens. Plenty of room on the Bulls express for both MJ, Lebron, the teammates of each era, and their fans to worship them all.

The Lakers' 3 (now 4?) championship eras seem to coexist nicely.

Author:  Fitz [ Mon Jun 28, 2010 10:35 am ]
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The tears of New York are delicious:

Image

Author:  good dolphin [ Tue Jun 29, 2010 4:36 pm ]
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gonna

he writes like sarah palin speaks

Author:  A7X [ Tue Jun 29, 2010 4:47 pm ]
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"Buffalo" Bill Cody you are a fucking moron.

Author:  badrogue17 [ Tue Jun 29, 2010 4:52 pm ]
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Jalapenos and More wrote:
Joe Orr Road Rod wrote:
The only thing Michael Jordan knew about basketball was how to play it. One of the pieces he desperately wanted was a far past his prime Walter Davis. If he knows so much about "pieces" why the fuck does he draft Kwame Brown and Adam Morrison?

Of course that's true, but just a little bit of rationalization on MJ's behalf. The 2006 draft was awful. He took Morrison at #3, Roy went at #6 and Rondo went at #21. Other than that, you've got some serviceable pros and a ton of busts.
Well if theres one thing Michael knew, it was how to get his hands on a ton of busts thats for sure :wink:

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