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| Author: | Mr. Hernandez [ Thu Jul 08, 2010 11:32 pm ] |
| Post subject: | So why doesn't anyone sign with the Bulls??? |
Chicago has a new curse - The Post Dynasty Curse Not one big name player has ever signed with this team. I'm sure theres been a ton of negative things said about the organization especially with the whole "organizations win championships" fiasco which was a slap in the face to players. There was a lot of negative tension there with management counting down the days to break up the team. But Krause is gone but Reinsdorf remains. Is he the guy that scares players away? Who wants to play for Paxon? His treatment of VDN was terrible and from the outside looking in made it feel uncomfortable. Fighting the coach doesn't help. Gar Foreman? I don't even know what he does. I know damn well no one should be intimidated the the "shadow of MJ". That shit happened when these guys were still too young to dribble a basketball I don't see one reason why players wouldnt wanna play here now with the talent the team has. Seeing how the team does without a major superstar should entice guys to wanna come here knowing they can be the piece to win a championship. I certainly don't see Jerry selling the team. Paxon has shown to be a terrible GM and no one knows who the hell Gar Foreman is. Thanks for playing guys but its time to go. The offseason is a failure of epic proportions |
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| Author: | HOVA [ Thu Jul 08, 2010 11:34 pm ] |
| Post subject: | Re: So why doesn't anyone sign with the Bulls??? |
This had nothing to do with the Bulls. Joe Johnson would be here now if Atlanta didn't throw dumb money at him. A lot of guys would have loved to come to the Bulls. Hell Boozer was talking about it in May. |
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| Author: | Mr. Reason [ Thu Jul 08, 2010 11:35 pm ] |
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If a lie is repeated enough, it eventually becomes the truth. |
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| Author: | RFDC [ Thu Jul 08, 2010 11:36 pm ] |
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Come on Mr. H, dont go meatball. Speaking of meatballs, where has jimmymeatball been? |
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| Author: | Drop In [ Thu Jul 08, 2010 11:37 pm ] |
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Mr. Reason wrote: If a lie is repeated enough, it eventually becomes the truth. If MJeff is repeating the lie enough, does it become law? Honest question. |
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| Author: | NearWessSideHussra [ Thu Jul 08, 2010 11:38 pm ] |
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Maybe if the Bulls had entered free agency assuming/knowing about the Lebron/Bosh/Wade/Chris Paul(?) plan they'd have approached things differently? Maybe Joe Johnson and Dirk (or Amare) and Boozer? |
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| Author: | Mr. Reason [ Thu Jul 08, 2010 11:39 pm ] |
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Drop In wrote: Mr. Reason wrote: If a lie is repeated enough, it eventually becomes the truth. If MJeff is repeating the lie enough, does it become law? Honest question. I would have to say, yes. MJeff has been peddling this for over ten years now. It's gospel among the players. |
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| Author: | Don Tiny [ Thu Jul 08, 2010 11:40 pm ] |
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| Author: | Mr. Hernandez [ Thu Jul 08, 2010 11:41 pm ] |
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I'm not bein a meatball. There just has to be a reason that no one comes here. |
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| Author: | HOVA [ Thu Jul 08, 2010 11:46 pm ] |
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Wade was trying to convince LeBron not to come here last month. He already had Bosh in his pocket. His 2 meetings with the Bulls prior to them meeting LeBron was complete bullshit. |
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| Author: | Drop In [ Thu Jul 08, 2010 11:53 pm ] |
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Mr. Hernandez wrote: I'm not bein a meatball. There just has to be a reason that no one comes here. I don't think you're a meatball at all. I was being honest. Many people know what an asshat Jordan is, but he is still Michael Jordan. He still talks shit about the organization. I just watched that bullshit presentation on ESPN. Even their HANDPICKED studio guys couldn't help but say LeBron should go to Chicago. |
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| Author: | Scorehead [ Thu Jul 08, 2010 11:57 pm ] |
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Drop In wrote: Mr. Reason wrote: If a lie is repeated enough, it eventually becomes the truth. If MJeff is repeating the lie enough, does it become law? Honest question. The Bulls are now paying the price for not giving MJ either a piece of the Bulls, or at least some role in the organization. Like it or not, many NBA players still look up to him & listen to what he has to say. Perception IS reality. MJ told Wade to stay the fuck away from the Bulls, which certainly trickled down to Bosh & LBJ. This current Bulls regime of Gar, Pax & Dorf has bush league written all over it. Pat Riley alone has more credibility than these 3 goofs put together. |
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| Author: | NearWessSideHussra [ Fri Jul 09, 2010 12:04 am ] |
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Scorehead wrote: Pat Riley alone has more credibility than these 3 goofs put together. ++++++++++++++++++ |
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| Author: | Mr. Hernandez [ Fri Jul 09, 2010 7:45 am ] |
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Well Mike Miller isn't coming here either 
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| Author: | Douchebag [ Fri Jul 09, 2010 7:48 am ] |
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Scorehead wrote: The Bulls are now paying the price for not giving MJ either a piece of the Bulls, or at least some role in the organization. Like it or not, many NBA players still look up to him & listen to what he has to say. Perception IS reality. MJ told Wade to stay the fuck away from the Bulls, which certainly trickled down to Bosh & LBJ. You're an idiot. M-Jeff is old enough to be their father, they don't give a shit what he has to say. |
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| Author: | rogers park bryan [ Fri Jul 09, 2010 7:49 am ] |
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Last good Free Agent they signed is now DEAD. Curse 
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| Author: | Bagels [ Fri Jul 09, 2010 7:49 am ] |
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Mr. Hernandez wrote: Well Mike Miller isn't coming here either so what i won't say he's terrible...but he's not good. as stated in another thread I would rather just have a "pure" shooter like Reddick or Korver- someone all they do is camp out at the arc and wait for a pass. Miller supposedly can "slash" and do more things but for one he's injury prone and two, his slightly above average skills have diminished greatly over the years. |
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| Author: | Bagels [ Fri Jul 09, 2010 7:50 am ] |
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rogers park bryan wrote: Last good Free Agent they signed is now DEAD. Curse I miss Krazy(ier) than Ivan 
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| Author: | Scorehead [ Fri Jul 09, 2010 10:08 am ] |
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Douchebag wrote: Scorehead wrote: The Bulls are now paying the price for not giving MJ either a piece of the Bulls, or at least some role in the organization. Like it or not, many NBA players still look up to him & listen to what he has to say. Perception IS reality. MJ told Wade to stay the fuck away from the Bulls, which certainly trickled down to Bosh & LBJ. You're an idiot. M-Jeff is old enough to be their father, they don't give a shit what he has to say. Wrong. Wade spoke with MJ & Mike ripped the Bulls. LBJ as well as many other NBA players talk about & reference MJ all the time. Jordan has been criticizing the Bulls for 10 years now. This isn't good for the Bulls. Then again, maybe Gar-Pax-Dorf are just completely incompetent. |
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| Author: | Brick [ Fri Jul 09, 2010 10:10 am ] |
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Scorehead wrote: Wrong. Wade spoke with MJ & Mike ripped the Bulls. LBJ as well as many other NBA players talk about & reference MJ all the time. Jordan has been criticizing the Bulls for 10 years now. This isn't good for the Bulls. Are you talking about the same MJ that ran the Wizards and is now running the Bobcats?Then again, maybe Gar-Pax-Dorf are just completely incompetent. It sucks that Jordan seems to badmouth the Bulls. However, having Jordan with a say in Bulls operations would suck a lot more. |
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| Author: | Rod [ Fri Jul 09, 2010 10:25 am ] |
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Boilermaker Rick wrote: It sucks that Jordan seems to badmouth the Bulls. However, having Jordan with a say in Bulls operations would suck a lot more. Absolutely. And the fact that these knuckleheads view a team that paid a guy his full salary to fuck around in minor league ballparks and then gave him $30 million a year, arranged a sign and trade for Pippen when it didn't have to, and paid a guy after he ended his career in a motorcycle accident as one that mistreats its players and is disloyal just shows how dumb they really are. |
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| Author: | BobBoberson [ Fri Jul 09, 2010 11:01 am ] |
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Joe Orr Road Rod wrote: Boilermaker Rick wrote: It sucks that Jordan seems to badmouth the Bulls. However, having Jordan with a say in Bulls operations would suck a lot more. Absolutely. And the fact that these knuckleheads view a team that paid a guy his full salary to fuck around in minor league ballparks and then gave him $30 million a year, arranged a sign and trade for Pippen when it didn't have to, and paid a guy after he ended his career in a motorcycle accident as one that mistreats its players and is disloyal just shows how dumb they really are. Amen brother! |
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| Author: | HOVA [ Fri Jul 09, 2010 11:03 am ] |
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None of the players considered any of this. Their minds were made up and nothing any of the teams said was going to change that. |
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| Author: | Krazy Ivan [ Fri Jul 09, 2010 11:07 am ] |
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HOVA wrote: None of the players considered any of this. Their minds were made up and nothing any of the teams said was going to change that. And that's the fucked up part about this all. Don't waste peoples time.... |
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| Author: | Phil McCracken [ Fri Jul 09, 2010 11:10 am ] |
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Krazy Ivan wrote: HOVA wrote: None of the players considered any of this. Their minds were made up and nothing any of the teams said was going to change that. And that's the fucked up part about this all. Don't waste peoples time.... It's all for the documentary |
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| Author: | Bagels [ Fri Jul 09, 2010 11:11 am ] |
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Krazy Ivan wrote: HOVA wrote: None of the players considered any of this. Their minds were made up and nothing any of the teams said was going to change that. And that's the fucked up part about this all. Don't waste peoples time.... you mean you won't be watching when the reality show comes out? |
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| Author: | HOVA [ Fri Jul 09, 2010 11:13 am ] |
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Krazy Ivan wrote: HOVA wrote: None of the players considered any of this. Their minds were made up and nothing any of the teams said was going to change that. And that's the fucked up part about this all. Don't waste peoples time.... I agree. The people they fucked over have the ability to really fuck them over in ways they couldn't imagine. Especially Gilbert. |
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| Author: | Mr. Hernandez [ Fri Jul 09, 2010 11:57 am ] |
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Phil McCracken wrote: Krazy Ivan wrote: HOVA wrote: None of the players considered any of this. Their minds were made up and nothing any of the teams said was going to change that. And that's the fucked up part about this all. Don't waste peoples time.... It's all for the documentary I've already booked my tickets to Cannes |
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| Author: | Phil McCracken [ Fri Jul 09, 2010 12:10 pm ] |
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Reinsdorf's take on the whole LeBron saga.... http://sports.espn.go.com/chicago/nba/columns/story?id=5365663 Jerry Reinsdorf had a good day on Thursday and LeBron James was not going to spoil it. The Sox and Bulls chairman spent the afternoon watching his baseball team complete a four-game sweep over the Angels, reveling in the two-hit shutout of pitcher John Danks. "Kid was great," Reinsdorf said. And Thursday night? "I'll probably watch the Minnesota-Toronto game and whenever the appointed hour comes around, I'll turn to ESPN," he said. Jerry Reinsdorf and the Bulls made a professional pitch to LeBron James. Reinsdorf wasn't surprised with James' much-anticipated decision to join the Miami Heat. Despite receiving no answer after the Bulls' contact with James' agent, Leon Rose, and friend and adviser Maverick Carter, Reinsdorf was not getting his hopes up Thursday. "We're not banking on getting him," Reinsdorf said. "He certainly has not given us any indication that he's coming here, so we have to assume he's going somewhere else." On that front, Reinsdorf was like the rest of us. No real guess. And no real idea of what was going to happen. "I mean, I have to think the team he's going to must know," he said. "If he comes here, we have a great team. If he goes to New York or Miami, I think we're [still] going to be better ... Miami will have three great players, but no center, no point guard and no cap room. I think we'll be better if he comes to us, but I think we'll be a great team without him." As word trickled out shortly before 8 p.m. CST and his televised "The Decision" that James had contacted the team he was going to join, the Bulls had still not received any word. An hour later, Bulls general manager Gar Forman issued a statement saying, "I remain convinced that this organization made the strongest of bids to acquire LeBron James during this free agency period. While we're disappointed he chose to go to another franchise, our strategy for the future competitiveness of this organization did not begin or end with James, and we feel today's addition of two-time All-Star Carlos Boozer significantly strengthens our team's already talented roster. "It is our goal to keep exploring every avenue that it may take, whether through trades or free agency, to continue to build this team to compete at a championship level." Reinsdorf was succinct in an e-mail. "I respect his decision," he said. "As I said before, I believe we will be better than Miami." No regrets. Of course, Bulls fans are disheartened by the team's inability to land one of the top free agents. The Bulls went the old-school, no-frills route in their approach. Only the top four in the front office traveled to Cleveland to make their pitch. And it was straightforward, Reinsdorf speaking first and directly to James. "I opened the meeting saying, 'If it's in the best interest of your family, and for loyalty reasons, you want to stay in Cleveland, you should stay in Cleveland. I am not here to tell you to leave Cleveland, but to let you know that if you decide to leave Cleveland, we're the best place for you to go,'" Reinsdorf said. "I wouldn't even try to talk him into leaving Cleveland, but I would tell him that we're better than New York, New Jersey and Miami. If he comes here, we have a great team. If he goes to New York or Miami, we're going to be better than New York or Miami." The Bulls, Reinsdorf said, wanted Boozer, discussing a trade for him more than once "over the last couple years." "[But] the best thing was [Boozer] told us in no uncertain terms that we were his first choice," Reinsdorf said. "We could have closed the deal then and there [July 1]." They didn't close the deal because the Bulls wanted to talk to Wade again, and had not yet spoken to Bosh or James. "Once Wade and Bosh went to Miami, then Boozer was our guy," said Reinsdorf. Obviously, Boozer was not insulted, but there had been talk that Wade was when he felt he was not the Bulls' first priority. "We told Wade we wanted him here, that we didn't have to wait for LeBron," Reinsdorf said. "Frankly, I was a little surprised he wanted to meet with us after saying what he said." Reinsdorf had not forgotten Wade's recent comments in the Tribune questioning Bulls management's loyalty to its players and evoking Michael Jordan's and Scottie Pippen's names in the discussion. It is an albatross the organization has had to bear since the departure of Phil Jackson after the Bulls' sixth title and Reinsdorf was face-to-face with it. "When [Wade] came in, I said, 'I'm surprised you're here after what you said,'" Reinsdorf recalled. "'And we heard you were recruiting players for Miami.' "[Wade] said [the loyalty comments] didn't come out the way he [meant] it. He was trying to say 'I don't have enough knowledge about the Bulls organization. I just know Michael and Scottie aren't there.' Then he saw the outburst from our alums the next day." This column isn't long enough to list the number of former Bulls who have worked and still work for the organization. Pippen still represents the Bulls. But it's the Michael question that keeps coming back. Another in a long line of NBA conspiracy theories, this one has Jordan still bad-mouthing the organization to free agents. Reinsdorf is not buying it, and though Jordan was certainly not shy about expressing his negative feelings about former GM Jerry Krause, there has never been any solid evidence that he has engaged in negative recruiting. "To the contrary," Reinsdorf said. "LeBron told us he talked to Michael, and Michael said very positive things about the Bulls and about me. It's nice to hear, but I've seen Michael many times since he stopped playing, and we have a very cordial relationship. So I wasn't shocked, but I was gratified." If it sounds as though things were awkward with Wade, maybe they were. But he did agree to a second meeting and called his decision spurning his hometown the toughest in his career. The loyalty issue wasn't held against Boozer, despite his decision in '04 to negotiate a six-year, $68 million deal with the Utah Jazz after reportedly convincing the Cavs and then-GM Jim Paxson that he would re-sign with them if they made him a free agent. So controversial was Boozer's move that his own agent reportedly considered leaving him before Paxson convinced him to stay, thinking the Cavaliers still had a chance to keep Boozer. So how does Boozer end up six years later with the Bulls, a team with two Paxsons -- Jim, now a consultant with the Bulls, and brother John, the executive vice president of basketball operations? "The funny thing is, Jim never said anything bad about Carlos," Reinsdorf said. "When we discussed with Jim trading for him the last few years, he said, 'Go get him.' There were no hard feelings at all. It wasn't an issue. "[Boozer] was 23 years old at the time. We don't know how much was the agent. But if Jim didn't feel bad, there was no reason for us to." Bulls coach Tom Thibodeau is apparently ecstatic over the Boozer signing. "The funny thing is that we wanted Boozer over Bosh, and right from the beginning," Reinsdorf said. Boozer also curried favor with his new bosses by trying to recruit James himself by reaching out to him on Wednesday. "He volunteered once we agreed on a deal," Reinsdorf said. "[Boozer] said 'I want to get hold of LeBron and tell him, "Come with me. Come to Chicago."' They talked once or twice to try to get him to come here." That said, there was only more baseball Thursday night, no high hopes. "I'm too old to get up or down," Reinsdorf said before "The Decision." "If I were 15 years younger, maybe I'd be hyper about the whole thing, but at my age, after all that's happened in my life, whether LeBron or Wade comes to the Bulls is not that important." |
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| Author: | Scorehead [ Sat Jul 10, 2010 1:20 am ] |
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Boilermaker Rick wrote: Scorehead wrote: Wrong. Wade spoke with MJ & Mike ripped the Bulls. LBJ as well as many other NBA players talk about & reference MJ all the time. Jordan has been criticizing the Bulls for 10 years now. This isn't good for the Bulls. Are you talking about the same MJ that ran the Wizards and is now running the Bobcats?Then again, maybe Gar-Pax-Dorf are just completely incompetent. It sucks that Jordan seems to badmouth the Bulls. However, having Jordan with a say in Bulls operations would suck a lot more. I never said that I think MJ should have a say in Bulls operations. But as an "ambassador" he would be gold. It's bad business to allow the greatest athlete in sports history to work against your organization. |
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