A guy that is as willing to do the things he does and as good at doing them who doesn't need the ball is a rare and valuable commodity in a league where most guys care about how many points they can score more than anything else. That's why every team would like to have him.

Guess you have to pay him. Dont you?

If Noah is the second best player on your team, then you'll never win.

That's a lot of cash for his skill set. I like the guy but he better produce and hopefully will stay healthy when getting that level of compensation.

That's a bernstein-like thing to say. I'm not even sure what calling a player the "best" means. Guys are good in different ways. In a certain way Ben Wallace may have been the second "best" guy on a champion. If you mean the second best scorer, well, obviously it's probably true. But I think it may be more difficult to find a guy like Noah than it is to find a guy who can give you nearly what Anthony does even though most of us would consider Anthony much better than Noah in a vacuum.

He's looking for some big coin though. 65M worth over 5 years. Bulls offering like 57M. That's a big commitment.

But I think it may be more difficult to find a guy like Noah than it is to find a guy who can give you nearly what Anthony does even though most of us would consider Anthony much better than Noah in a vacuum.

JORR's method of debating:

Think about the stance that Boers and Bernstein would be least likely to take, and go with it.

Joakim Noah is just good. He's not great. He's not a star. He's not irreplaceable. He's just good.

Go ahead and try to build your championship team around Noah and Rose, JORR. Have fun with that one.

If Noah is the second best player on your team, then you'll never win.

Finally, with regard to Kid Cairo's viewpoint on the matter. I find it quite strange that this is a guy whose favorite player is Scottie Pippen. We can try to rewrite history all we want, but the truth is Scottie was never a premium scorer that created his own shot. So, I'm left to wonder that if the Bulls could have traded Pippen for Wilkins or Bernard King back in 1990, if Kid would have been in favor of that. And in retrospect if the resulting team would have been as successful.

In regard to Pippen's scoring, he is 48th on the NBA's All Time Scoring list.

I'm going to go ahead and make a completely uneducated guess, but I'll presume there's been about 50,000 players to have ever played in the NBA.

I'd say Pippen was quite a scorer.

Mr. Orr-

What are you smoking Pippen was one of the best defenders EVER! Sure he wasnt the scorer Wilkins and King were. not even Glenn Robinson. Those guys JUST SCORED. In the NBA! Scottie played end to end. He guarded the other teams best scorer usually every night. Scottie scored less but prevented points too. He passed like a guard and set screens. He was also selected to play on the original dream team in 92. He almost won MVP in 93-94. (w/o Jordan)

Please please please put the weed down before you compare NBA scorers to Pippen. you just look foolish.

Are you comparing Pippen to Noah? Pippen Scored. He just didnt create his own shot usually. He ran the floor and did A LOT of things. His defense however created much of his points. Steals, deflections, double teams, blocks and overall harrassment on defense all contributed to whatever Pippens avg was. Noah wil never be a scorer like Pippen becaus its impossible.

Its not that Carmelo is a scorer. Its how he does it. He can shoot. He can post. He gets the opposing team into foul trouble. The offense would run through him on the block. All else happens because of the double teams that carmelo draws. No one will ever double team Noah. But if you are some how saying a straight up Noah for Antony trade would be bad, you're crazy.