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Right now Boozer>Gibson

Given the price over the long run, I can see keeping Gibson over Boozer though. I just hope Gibson can develop a better offensive game. If we could combine both of their games into one, that would be the perfect situation, but obviously that isn't happening.

Free Ajent wrote:

It could happen in the form of a package deal to get Dwight Howard.

HOVA wrote:

No one will take Boozer's contract.

Untrue. I don't think it is the albatross some people want to believe it is.

boozers contract is bad..not soriano bad , not horrible...no team is going to take that on though...the bulls can offer the most for howard..what can the lakers offer? the bulls can give up noah and taj and 2 first round picks

If he were the main scoring option on a team...or even the cemented second scoring option on a team...and he played 35+ minutes a game...you'd be looking at a 51+ FG%, 10 or 11 RPG, 3 APG, 1 SPG, almost 1 BPG, and probably 20 to 22 PPG. That isn't terrible for 14.4M.

He'd be averaging a double-double.

312player wrote:

The Lakers can offer Gasol & Bynum. But is there team any better if they get Howard, but lose Gasol & Bynum? One of those guys isn't enough to make the trade, and trading both doesn't improve the team.

Douchebag wrote:

312player wrote:

Maybe they could talk the Magic into including Ryan Anderson.

312player wrote:

Douchebag wrote:

312player wrote:

taj/noah > gasol/bynum

love should not have signed..that team is going to suck for a long time..he will be like garnett stuck up north with no chance at a ring for a long time.

annual playoff contender? :lol:

.... you do realize that there are 30 teams in the nba..16 of which make the post season..so it is actually harder to not make the playoffs statistically then it is to make them.... 16>14

even if the t wolves make the playoffs yearly as a 5th or 6th seed ..they have no chance at winning the conference

FavreFan wrote:

immessedup17 wrote:

It is a bad contract, considering the new CBA. Love just signed for 4 years/$62 million dollars. Boozer isn't close to a franchise guy. He's a borderline all star that doesn't play defense well.

Because that was the max contract for Love's age.

i like the twolves..i liked them when they had marbury when he was very good and k.g. and that was as good is it gets up there...the clippers and ok city are good young teams that will not be losing to the twolves in the playoffs anytime soon.

Author:	Mr. Belvidere [ Tue Jan 31, 2012 9:11 pm ]
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Gibson is so much more active. Would Gibsons defense offset what you would lose on the offensive end? And runs the floor better too. If Hamilton and Deng are healthy, is this team better with Gibson playing more mins at the 4? They sure seem to be against the Heat. Boozer doesnt like to be defended. Boozer shines against the Wizards, Bucks and Nets but disappears against the Heat, Pacers and Celtics. I liked it too when Gibson got switched out on Lebron a couple of times. His length bothers James. Whats a Thibbs to do?

Author:	Ugueth Will Shiv You [ Tue Jan 31, 2012 9:15 pm ]
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The only downside right now for Gibson is his inability to create his own scoring opportunities. He just reacts to whatever offensive rebound or defensive breakdown happens on a possession. Boozer still has the ability to create space between him and his defender to get a decent look at the rim. Defensively, Gibson is substantially stronger than Boozer. That much is obvious. However, having said all of that, I still see the whole situation as a wash: what you lack in defense from Boozer you get from Gibson, and the opposite is also true regarding offense. Still, I could live with Gibson's youth and potential on the roster... and substantially lower contract price.

Author:	HOVA [ Tue Jan 31, 2012 9:15 pm ]
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I've been saying since last year I would rather have Boozer. If GarPax knew what they know now they wouldn't have signed him.

Author:	Free Ajent [ Tue Jan 31, 2012 9:17 pm ]
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Right now Boozer>Gibson Given the price over the long run, I can see keeping Gibson over Boozer though. I just hope Gibson can develop a better offensive game. If we could combine both of their games into one, that would be the perfect situation, but obviously that isn't happening.

Author:	Ugueth Will Shiv You [ Tue Jan 31, 2012 9:18 pm ]
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Free Ajent wrote: Right now Boozer>Gibson Given the price over the long run, I can see keeping Gibson over Boozer though. I just hope Gibson can develop a better offensive game. If we could combine both of their games into one, that would be the perfect situation, but obviously that isn't happening. It could happen in the form of a package deal to get Dwight Howard.

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Author:	Free Ajent [ Tue Jan 31, 2012 9:19 pm ]
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Ugueth Will Shiv You wrote: Free Ajent wrote: Right now Boozer>Gibson Given the price over the long run, I can see keeping Gibson over Boozer though. I just hope Gibson can develop a better offensive game. If we could combine both of their games into one, that would be the perfect situation, but obviously that isn't happening. It could happen in the form of a package deal to get Dwight Howard. True I would love to add that piece, but if/when it ever happens, I'm happy with the team we have.

Author:	HOVA [ Tue Jan 31, 2012 9:20 pm ]
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No one will take Boozer's contract.

Author:	Mini Ditka [ Tue Jan 31, 2012 11:04 pm ]
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The nice thing is that it's the Bulls and you get both of them. Does anyone have their combined averages for the season? Thibs is not going to play Boozer in the 4th Quarter if he needs defense. Surprisingly in the end of the Heat game Asik and Gibson did not play as much as other games against the Heat. http://www.terezowens.com/carlos-boozer ... -his-wife/

Author:	Douchebag [ Wed Feb 01, 2012 10:41 am ]
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immessedup17 wrote: HOVA wrote: No one will take Boozer's contract. Untrue. I don't think it is the albatross some people want to believe it is. It is, and it will only get worse as he gets older.

Author:	Ugueth Will Shiv You [ Wed Feb 01, 2012 10:44 am ]
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Boozer's contract is pretty bad, IMU. And it is exactly the reason why Orlando shouldn't consider trading Howard to Chicago. If Howard goes anywhere, it will likely be to the Lakers or Nets.

Author:	312player [ Wed Feb 01, 2012 10:57 am ]
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boozers contract is bad..not soriano bad , not horrible...no team is going to take that on though...the bulls can offer the most for howard..what can the lakers offer? the bulls can give up noah and taj and 2 first round picks

Author:	Douchebag [ Wed Feb 01, 2012 10:59 am ]
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312player wrote: boozers contract is bad..not soriano bad , not horrible...no team is going to take that on though...the bulls can offer the most for howard..what can the lakers offer? the bulls can give up noah and taj and 2 first round picks The Lakers can offer Gasol & Bynum. But is there team any better if they get Howard, but lose Gasol & Bynum? One of those guys isn't enough to make the trade, and trading both doesn't improve the team.

Author:	FavreFan [ Wed Feb 01, 2012 10:59 am ]
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immessedup17 wrote: If he were the main scoring option on a team...or even the cemented second scoring option on a team...and he played 35+ minutes a game...you'd be looking at a 51+ FG%, 10 or 11 RPG, 3 APG, 1 SPG, almost 1 BPG, and probably 20 to 22 PPG. That isn't terrible for 14.4M. He'd be averaging a double-double. It is a bad contract, considering the new CBA. Love just signed for 4 years/$62 million dollars. Boozer isn't close to a franchise guy. He's a borderline all star that doesn't play defense well.

Author:	FavreFan [ Wed Feb 01, 2012 11:01 am ]
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Douchebag wrote: 312player wrote: boozers contract is bad..not soriano bad , not horrible...no team is going to take that on though...the bulls can offer the most for howard..what can the lakers offer? the bulls can give up noah and taj and 2 first round picks The Lakers can offer Gasol & Bynum. But is there team any better if they get Howard, but lose Gasol & Bynum? One of those guys isn't enough to make the trade, and trading both doesn't improve the team. Maybe they could talk the Magic into including Ryan Anderson.

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Author:	Douchebag [ Wed Feb 01, 2012 11:03 am ]
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FavreFan wrote: Douchebag wrote: 312player wrote: boozers contract is bad..not soriano bad , not horrible...no team is going to take that on though...the bulls can offer the most for howard..what can the lakers offer? the bulls can give up noah and taj and 2 first round picks The Lakers can offer Gasol & Bynum. But is there team any better if they get Howard, but lose Gasol & Bynum? One of those guys isn't enough to make the trade, and trading both doesn't improve the team. Maybe they could talk the Magic into including Ryan Anderson. I'm sure they could talk them into including Hedo.

Author:	312player [ Wed Feb 01, 2012 11:04 am ]
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Douchebag wrote: 312player wrote: boozers contract is bad..not soriano bad , not horrible...no team is going to take that on though...the bulls can offer the most for howard..what can the lakers offer? the bulls can give up noah and taj and 2 first round picks The Lakers can offer Gasol & Bynum. But is there team any better if they get Howard, but lose Gasol & Bynum? One of those guys isn't enough to make the trade, and trading both doesn't improve the team. taj/noah > gasol/bynum

Author:	FavreFan [ Wed Feb 01, 2012 11:04 am ]
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312player wrote: Douchebag wrote: 312player wrote: boozers contract is bad..not soriano bad , not horrible...no team is going to take that on though...the bulls can offer the most for howard..what can the lakers offer? the bulls can give up noah and taj and 2 first round picks The Lakers can offer Gasol & Bynum. But is there team any better if they get Howard, but lose Gasol & Bynum? One of those guys isn't enough to make the trade, and trading both doesn't improve the team. taj/noah > gasol/bynum No

Author:	Douchebag [ Wed Feb 01, 2012 11:06 am ]
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312player wrote: taj/noah > gasol/bynum I still can't figure out if your sports thoughts are real, or if you just troll this board.

Author:	312player [ Wed Feb 01, 2012 11:07 am ]
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?.. gasol is 32 and bynum is hurt every year

Author:	312player [ Wed Feb 01, 2012 11:10 am ]
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love should not have signed..that team is going to suck for a long time..he will be like garnett stuck up north with no chance at a ring for a long time.

Author:	Douchebag [ Wed Feb 01, 2012 11:11 am ]
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312player wrote: love should not have signed..that team is going to suck for a long time..he will be like garnett stuck up north with no chance at a ring for a long time.

Author:	312player [ Wed Feb 01, 2012 11:16 am ]
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annual playoff contender? .... you do realize that there are 30 teams in the nba..16 of which make the post season..so it is actually harder to not make the playoffs statistically then it is to make them.... 16>14 even if the t wolves make the playoffs yearly as a 5th or 6th seed ..they have no chance at winning the conference

Author:	312player [ Wed Feb 01, 2012 11:30 am ]
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i like the twolves..i liked them when they had marbury when he was very good and k.g. and that was as good is it gets up there...the clippers and ok city are good young teams that will not be losing to the twolves in the playoffs anytime soon.

Author:	FavreFan [ Wed Feb 01, 2012 11:37 am ]
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immessedup17 wrote: FavreFan wrote: immessedup17 wrote: If he were the main scoring option on a team...or even the cemented second scoring option on a team...and he played 35+ minutes a game...you'd be looking at a 51+ FG%, 10 or 11 RPG, 3 APG, 1 SPG, almost 1 BPG, and probably 20 to 22 PPG. That isn't terrible for 14.4M. He'd be averaging a double-double. It is a bad contract, considering the new CBA. Love just signed for 4 years/$62 million dollars. Boozer isn't close to a franchise guy. He's a borderline all star that doesn't play defense well. Because that was the max contract for Love's age. Exactly. That's the new value of a standard four year max contract. It makes Boozer's contract clearly a liability more than an asset.

Author:	Mini Ditka [ Wed Feb 01, 2012 11:39 am ]
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Can't they just amnesty Boozer?

Author:	FavreFan [ Wed Feb 01, 2012 11:40 am ]
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312player wrote: i like the twolves..i liked them when they had marbury when he was very good and k.g. and that was as good is it gets up there...the clippers and ok city are good young teams that will not be losing to the twolves in the playoffs anytime soon. Love and Rubio are a pretty awesome combination, they have a great coach, they could be really good a lot sooner than you think. It sounds like you're underrating Love and Rubio's potential considering how good he already is at this age and point of his rookie season.