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Author:  bigfan [ Sun Mar 04, 2012 11:34 am ]
Post subject:  Thibbs Contract
Are the Reinsdorf defenders going to say it is fine to just pick up his option for 2013 and then open him to the market in 2014?

Personally, I think it is a huge mistake as some team (New Jersey, Lakers?) might be willing to go over the top to get him and make sure he is aware of this.
Author:  IkeSouth [ Sun Mar 04, 2012 12:02 pm ]
Post subject:  Re: Thibbs Contract
i dont think thibs would go somewhere else unless he gets paid like twice what the bulls are offering him. and i dont think jerry will lowball him, jerry is not a bad businessman. why are you trying to start shit thats not even there mully?
Author:  beni hanna [ Wed Apr 04, 2012 2:26 pm ]
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From a Sam Smith article. I hadn't heard this angle before. Possible the agency representing Thibs did this with or without his knowledge...plus a little S.S. smarm tossed in for good measure.

So what was this all about with Thibodeau? I asked an agent about it and he said, though he emphasized he was speculating based on previous situations, that this was a tactic of CAA, the huge agency that represents Thibodeau and among others LeBron James and the Miami group. CAA is notorious for leaking damaging information about a team to gain an edge before a team plays on national TV. Thus, the story coming out Friday night before the Bulls early Sunday ABC-TV game with Oklahoma City. The agent said it’s an early pressure tactic CAA uses to try to put a team on the defensive and in a poor negotiating position.

They have been known for doing this sort of thing when James has problems, which was the reason for all the speculation about Erik Spoelstra’s job last season until Pat Riley stepped in and apparently told James that Spoelstra was going nowhere and James was under contract for at least four years.

Agencies like this also are known, the agent said, to push for early deals and extensions they can use to then recruit new clients, showing them that they can get deals done quickly, perhaps unlike their current representation.

It would all seem out of character for Thibodeau to be pushing for a deal that is more than a year out as well. Of course, it’s not unusual for big agencies that employ so called runners to act independently of their clients and even the agency with perhaps another agenda to maybe try to steal away the client and start their own agency. It’s believed around the NBA that great white killer sharks do their training studying basketball agents.

http://blogs.bulls.com/2012/04/bulls-gr ... bout-rose/
Author:  Douchebag [ Wed Apr 04, 2012 2:29 pm ]
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They'll extend Thibs this off-season. When was the last time a coach earned an extension mid-season? That's usually unheard of. He deserves to get paid, and he will. This is pretty much a non-story.
Author:  The Original Kid Cairo [ Wed Apr 04, 2012 2:33 pm ]
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bigfan wrote:
Are the Reinsdorf defenders going to say it is fine to just pick up his option for 2013 and then open him to the market in 2014?

Who on this board is a Reinsdorf defender?
Author:  Rod [ Wed Apr 04, 2012 2:39 pm ]
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I thought Reinsdorf refuses to deal with agents for coaches or GMs.
Author:  Krazy Ivan [ Wed Apr 04, 2012 2:39 pm ]
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The Original Kid Cairo wrote:
bigfan wrote:
Are the Reinsdorf defenders going to say it is fine to just pick up his option for 2013 and then open him to the market in 2014?

Who on this board is a Reinsdorf defender?



Anyone who does't start 4 seperate threads every day complaining about his existence in this world...
Author:  beni hanna [ Wed Apr 04, 2012 2:56 pm ]
Post subject:  Re: Thibbs Contract
Douchebag wrote:
They'll extend Thibs this off-season. When was the last time a coach earned an extension mid-season? That's usually unheard of. He deserves to get paid, and he will. This is pretty much a non-story.

Totally agree. I was not able to process why it suddenly became an issue. Seemed totally out of place. This little article gave some plausibility to what I believed an implausible scenario.

Joe Orr Road Rod wrote:
I thought Reinsdorf refuses to deal with agents for coaches or GMs.

I thought so as well. I believe the correct stance is he much prefers dealing directly with the coach. Skiles had an agent too. It makes sense for these guys to have an agent even if ultimately the coach has to schlepp into Reinsdorf's office by himself for a face to face.
Author:  SHARK [ Wed Apr 04, 2012 3:01 pm ]
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General Manager Gar Forman was on the Bulls Radio Network flagship yesterday. He told ESPN Radio 1000 yesterday that they "tabled" such extension talks with Tom Thibodeau until after the season. Thibodeau will get his money soon enough.

The Bulls don't want to make the same mistake they made with ex-head coach Scott Skiles. There are $4 million reasons why the Bulls regretted extending Skiles' contract when they did.
Author:  bigfan [ Wed Apr 04, 2012 3:23 pm ]
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I am sure they will make him an offer in the offseason.

One thing Jerry is not famous for is paying coaches huge money. He gives a coach a chance, pays them below market and then expects a hometown discount when the new deal comes around.

Thibbs might not agree with this theory. I could see Jerry offering 4 years for $20 Mill with a Club option for year 5.

Jerry will stagger the payments of $4M, $4.5 $5.5, $6M.

This would put Thibbs as about the 10th highest paid coach.

$4.5M , guaranteed $20M, yes, it is a GREAT deal in the real world but in the world of the NBA...who knows.

Going to the option year is not the final year, but with another really good regular season and a deep playoff run, Thibbs has 100% of the leverage....Jerry does not usually enjoy this type of dealing.

Wait, Douchebag said it's not s story.
/end
Author:  Curious Hair [ Wed Apr 04, 2012 3:25 pm ]
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The Original Kid Cairo wrote:
bigfan wrote:
Are the Reinsdorf defenders going to say it is fine to just pick up his option for 2013 and then open him to the market in 2014?

Who on this board is a Reinsdorf defender?

Frank, Rick, couple other White Sox people. No diehard Bulls fans do the Reinsdorf prostrations, interestingly.
Author:  Darkside [ Wed Apr 04, 2012 3:26 pm ]
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Thibbs agents are kind of stupid for getting this out now. I mean, Thibbs has a shot at being a championship coach this year... I mean, I can hear you giggling at that but it's not terribly unlikely the win the conference and maybe the championship. One thing, he most likely won't be worse than last year, and he's a solid COTY candidate. He should await the better credentials before putting this out there.
Author:  Douchebag [ Wed Apr 04, 2012 3:27 pm ]
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bigfan wrote:

Wait, Douchebag said it's not s story.
/end

It isn't. He's going to get paid. Do you disagree?
Author:  bigfan [ Wed Apr 04, 2012 3:32 pm ]
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He is going to get an offer...as I stated.

I also know how Jerry thinks about these offers to people he gave a chance to.

Will Thibbs agree that a discount is in order because Jerry gave him a first head coaching job?

Is a discount not making him a top 10 paid coach of at least $4.5M? Which is what Skiles makes...how Happy is Thibbs making less then Skiles? or even the same?

Maybe Thibbs really doesnt care and a 6 years deal for $3 Mill a year is OK, because he doesnt need more than that?????

Another reason Jerrys deals take this long is that he does not deal with agents in these matters, so Thibbs needs to communicate with his lawyers each time they correspond, which takes much longer.
Author:  SHARK [ Wed Apr 04, 2012 3:36 pm ]
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I think when Tom Thibodeau became the Bulls' head coach nearly 2 seasons ago, I think Uncle Jerry got him for a bargain compared to other NBA head coaches who are making double and triple what Thibs is earning. I thought I read when the Bulls first got him, Thibodeau was getting a fraction of what Scott Skiles was earning before he left. I think Thibs is only earning $2 million...
Author:  SomeGuy [ Wed Apr 04, 2012 3:45 pm ]
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Tilting at windmills again, are we, BigFan?

CHARGE!!!!
Author:  Douchebag [ Wed Apr 04, 2012 3:46 pm ]
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bigfan wrote:
He is going to get an offer...as I stated.

I also know how Jerry thinks about these offers to people he gave a chance to.

Will Thibbs agree that a discount is in order because Jerry gave him a first head coaching job?

Is a discount not making him a top 10 paid coach of at least $4.5M? Which is what Skiles makes...how Happy is Thibbs making less then Skiles? or even the same?

Maybe Thibbs really doesnt care and a 6 years deal for $3 Mill a year is OK, because he doesnt need more than that?????

Another reason Jerrys deals take this long is that he does not deal with agents in these matters, so Thibbs needs to communicate with his lawyers each time they correspond, which takes much longer.

So you think there might be a negotiation? I thought Thibs would just accept the first offer he was given.
Author:  IkeSouth [ Wed Apr 04, 2012 7:10 pm ]
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ugh. jerry didnt give thibs "a chance". thibs had an excellent resume to begin with, and thousands of documented hours of work put in. in fact, pax had been actively trying to recruit thibs for years before he finally got him away from boston.
Author:  bigfan [ Wed Apr 04, 2012 8:39 pm ]
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IkeSouth wrote:
ugh. jerry didnt give thibs "a chance". thibs had an excellent resume to begin with, and thousands of documented hours of work put in. in fact, pax had been actively trying to recruit thibs for years before he finally got him away from boston.


Ike, I can only give you the thought process. Jerry is the longest tenured baseball owner and is right up there for the Bulls. He has never paid huge money for a coach. He felt Phil owed him a thanks for giving him his first NBA gig.

Jerry loves to negotiate, especially when he has the money. He does look at it as all business, because this is what he does all day.

Players/Coaches/Etc to them it is very personal, it is their entire lives. It why players use agents, its why buying a house is better with a real estate agent. Personal feelings are left out.

Look at what happened with Skiles. It got personal and blew up. Thibbs is not that much different than Skiles.

Except I think Thibbs would have a new deal in 24 hours!
Author:  bigfan [ Wed Apr 04, 2012 8:41 pm ]
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SomeGuy wrote:
Tilting at windmills again, are we, BigFan?

CHARGE!!!!


Well Someguy, I have seen this scenario playout first hand. Why do you think it will be different this time?
Author:  SHARK [ Thu Apr 05, 2012 1:55 pm ]
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Right now, Tom Thibodeau has leverage regarding his next contract, and Jerry Reinsdorf knows it. I was listening to ESPN Radio 1000's "Waddle & Silvy" during a break on 670 The SCORE's "Spiegel Show", and Silvy was surprised to learn that a number of NBA head coaches are getting paid not to coach. Mike D'Antoni was earning about $6 million before leaving the Knicks, Nate McMillan was earning about $5 million despite getting fired recently by the Blazers, and I think Larry Brown is earning a nice chunk of change by the Bobcats, even though he's not coaching either.

While I'm confident that the Bulls & Thibodeau will eventually get an extension squared away, I think it's a question how much it'll cost Uncle Jerry to keep him here for the foreseeable future.
Author:  Nas [ Thu Apr 05, 2012 3:15 pm ]
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Jerry will likely try to give him a 3 year deal with a team option for somewhere around $18M.
Author:  SHARK [ Thu Apr 05, 2012 3:17 pm ]
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Nas wrote:
Jerry will likely try to give him a 3 year deal with a team option for somewhere around $18M.

I could see that. If worse comes to worse, the Bulls will pick up Thibodeau's option.
Author:  bigfan [ Thu Apr 05, 2012 5:04 pm ]
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SHARK wrote:
Nas wrote:
Jerry will likely try to give him a 3 year deal with a team option for somewhere around $18M.

I could see that. If worse comes to worse, the Bulls will pick up Thibodeau's option.


Picking up Thibbs option leaves the Bulls zero leverage and gives it all back to Thibbs. Especially after the coaching he has done this year.He could would win back to back Coach of the Year awards.

3 Years $6M per is 1 year short of where Thibbs probably expects to be.

The Bulls make so much cash, this really should not be an issue and should be done by now.
Author:  Nas [ Thu Apr 05, 2012 5:07 pm ]
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bigfan wrote:
SHARK wrote:
Nas wrote:
Jerry will likely try to give him a 3 year deal with a team option for somewhere around $18M.

I could see that. If worse comes to worse, the Bulls will pick up Thibodeau's option.


Picking up Thibbs option leaves the Bulls zero leverage and gives it all back to Thibbs. Especially after the coaching he has done this year.He could would win back to back Coach of the Year awards.

3 Years $6M per is 1 year short of where Thibbs probably expects to be.

The Bulls make so much cash, this really should not be an issue and should be done by now.


Which is why Uncle Jerry will try to hold onto that year or look for a discount for tearing up the option year.
Author:  bigfan [ Thu Apr 05, 2012 5:23 pm ]
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Jerry is greedy, but not dumb and this is where he thrives. Pushing to the limit, because he can afford to cover up his mistakes if he pushes too far.

I dont think Jerry has one problem with Thibbs. Thibbs might even be the exact thing wants in a coach. Still he wont pay him like a top 5 coach. He just doesn't believe the stupidity of others should determine what he is paying his guy.
Author:  Nas [ Thu Apr 05, 2012 5:36 pm ]
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bigfan wrote:
Jerry is greedy, but not dumb and this is where he thrives. Pushing to the limit, because he can afford to cover up his mistakes if he pushes too far.

I dont think Jerry has one problem with Thibbs. Thibbs might even be the exact thing wants in a coach. Still he wont pay him like a top 5 coach. He just doesn't believe the stupidity of others should determine what he is paying his guy.


Most of the time that's the smart way to do things.
Author:  IkeSouth [ Fri Apr 06, 2012 5:53 pm ]
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bigfan wrote:
IkeSouth wrote:

Look at what happened with Skiles. It got personal and blew up. Thibbs is not that much different than Skiles.

Except I think Thibbs would have a new deal in 24 hours!


what? thibs aint different but he will get a new deal in 24 hours? that is marijuana speak. skiles got shipped out on xmas because he lost his team. he even admitted that. thibs on the other hand cant do no wrong. about to get coach of the year again. he alone has brought in a ton of money to this market, and jerry would lose 80% of his fans and all of his players if he jews thibs bad enough to make him leave. it wont happen.
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