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Author:  Mr. Belvidere [ Tue Mar 27, 2012 5:43 am ]
Post subject:  Kevin Love LOVE.

May end up the 2nd best cracker ever. His numbers dont lie.

Author:  bigfan [ Tue Mar 27, 2012 5:54 am ]
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Guy works hard, great rebounder, very good shooter. Tough matchup, BUT

Like to see my big man in the paint more. He wants to be paid like a top post player, yet he doesnt play the post.

he doesnt create his own shot on the 'permiature'

wants max money.

This makes for bad teams in the long run.

http://sports.espn.go.com/nba/shotchart?gameId=320325016

Author:  FavreFan [ Tue Mar 27, 2012 6:38 am ]
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He wants to get paid like a top player. I've never heard "post player" stipulated in negotiations. And he is one of the ten best players in the league. Once he rounds his game out he will be a perennial MVP candidate.

Author:  bigfan [ Tue Mar 27, 2012 7:34 am ]
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He might not have said "POST PLAYER' but my 6'10" white guy that doesnt play the post on offense? His name is Steve Kerr!

good luck winning with that combo?

His stats are top 10, he is not top 10!

Give me DeMo Cousins all day over K love and his 3 point shot. I can find a guy to shoot the open 3 when the D sags on my center!

Author:  bigfan [ Tue Mar 27, 2012 7:37 am ]
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24-26 says a ton!

Author:  Rod [ Tue Mar 27, 2012 7:40 am ]
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FavreFan wrote:
He wants to get paid like a top player. I've never heard "post player" stipulated in negotiations. And he is one of the ten best players in the league. Once he rounds his game out he will be a perennial MVP candidate.


But doesn't "rounding out his game" for a big man just mean moving further away from the basket? I heard some of the Score guys talking about Boozer and how he doesn't seem to play on the blocks the way he did early in his career. They acted like this was confusing. But anyone who has followed hoops for more than a few seasons knows it's common for big men to move further and further from the basket as their careers progress. It's hard to bang down low. Guys begin to believe they have earned the right not to and they polish that mid-range jumper. If we're going to talk about what made Rodman great, it's the fact that he always understood his role.

Author:  Douchebag [ Tue Mar 27, 2012 7:46 am ]
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bigfan wrote:
24-26 says a ton!

You're not really this stupid, are you?

Author:  FavreFan [ Tue Mar 27, 2012 8:07 am ]
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Joe Orr Road Rod wrote:
FavreFan wrote:
He wants to get paid like a top player. I've never heard "post player" stipulated in negotiations. And he is one of the ten best players in the league. Once he rounds his game out he will be a perennial MVP candidate.


But doesn't "rounding out his game" for a big man just mean moving further away from the basket? I heard some of the Score guys talking about Boozer and how he doesn't seem to play on the blocks the way he did early in his career. They acted like this was confusing. But anyone who has followed hoops for more than a few seasons knows it's common for big men to move further and further from the basket as their careers progress. It's hard to bang down low. Guys begin to believe they have earned the right not to and they polish that mid-range jumper. If we're going to talk about what made Rodman great, it's the fact that he always understood his role.

What you're talking about is becoming a more versatile scorer. Love is already one of the best in the league at scoring. I'm mainly talking about defense and passing/making teammates better.

Author:  FavreFan [ Tue Mar 27, 2012 8:08 am ]
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bigfan wrote:
He might not have said "POST PLAYER' but my 6'10" white guy that doesnt play the post on offense? His name is Steve Kerr!

Or his name could be Dirk Nowitzki, reigning NBA champion.

Author:  rogers park bryan [ Tue Mar 27, 2012 8:10 am ]
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FavreFan wrote:
bigfan wrote:
He might not have said "POST PLAYER' but my 6'10" white guy that doesnt play the post on offense? His name is Steve Kerr!

Or his name could be Dirk Nowitzki, reigning NBA champion.

or Larry Bird but an inch taller

Author:  Rod [ Tue Mar 27, 2012 8:13 am ]
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FavreFan wrote:
Joe Orr Road Rod wrote:
FavreFan wrote:
He wants to get paid like a top player. I've never heard "post player" stipulated in negotiations. And he is one of the ten best players in the league. Once he rounds his game out he will be a perennial MVP candidate.


But doesn't "rounding out his game" for a big man just mean moving further away from the basket? I heard some of the Score guys talking about Boozer and how he doesn't seem to play on the blocks the way he did early in his career. They acted like this was confusing. But anyone who has followed hoops for more than a few seasons knows it's common for big men to move further and further from the basket as their careers progress. It's hard to bang down low. Guys begin to believe they have earned the right not to and they polish that mid-range jumper. If we're going to talk about what made Rodman great, it's the fact that he always understood his role.

What you're talking about is becoming a more versatile scorer. Love is already one of the best in the league at scoring. I'm mainly talking about defense and passing/making teammates better.


I'm not talking about Love specifically. I'm just saying it's a rare top big man who actually plays a "big man game" throughout his whole career. Banging on the blocks kind of sucks. Guys do it because they've been big their entire lives and that's what big guys do. But those who can score and make a reputation generally move further out sooner rather than later.

Author:  Rod [ Tue Mar 27, 2012 8:14 am ]
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rogers park bryan wrote:
FavreFan wrote:
bigfan wrote:
He might not have said "POST PLAYER' but my 6'10" white guy that doesnt play the post on offense? His name is Steve Kerr!

Or his name could be Dirk Nowitzki, reigning NBA champion.

or Larry Bird but an inch taller


That's fine, but I don't think most people would call Dirk and Bird "big men". They're tall shooters.

Author:  rogers park bryan [ Tue Mar 27, 2012 8:21 am ]
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Joe Orr Road Rod wrote:

That's fine, but I don't think most people would call Dirk and Bird "big men". They're tall shooters.

So is Love. He just happens to be a monster on the boards too.


Interesting about your move away from the basket comment, there is a new breed of "Cant do anything offensively but Dunk Center" that will be unable to extend their careers that way. (Shaq, Howard)

Author:  FavreFan [ Tue Mar 27, 2012 8:32 am ]
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Joe Orr Road Rod wrote:
I'm not talking about Love specifically. I'm just saying it's a rare top big man who actually plays a "big man game" throughout his whole career. Banging on the blocks kind of sucks. Guys do it because they've been big their entire lives and that's what big guys do. But those who can score and make a reputation generally move further out sooner rather than later.

Well, yeah. I was just answering your question about what I meant when I said Love needs to round out his game. I don't think his post game is his biggest weakness.

Author:  Bagels [ Tue Mar 27, 2012 10:13 am ]
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man i wish i hadn't found this thread :?

Love is shooting 38% from 3 which is good and is 13th in makes, meaning he's taking a lot (lot of the top % leaders have not taken that many)
he does play inside too, its ridiculous to say he doesn't. do you think he gets all those rebounds camping out at the arc ?

Author:  Douchebag [ Tue Mar 27, 2012 10:14 am ]
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Bagels wrote:
man i wish i hadn't found this thread :?

Love is shooting 38% from 3 which is good and is 13th in makes, meaning he's taking a lot (lot of the top % leaders have not taken that many)
he does play inside too, its ridiculous to say he doesn't. do you think he gets all those rebounds camping out at the arc ?

He tips them to himself all the way out to the 3 point line. Those kind of rebounds count for 3 or 4.

Author:  Bagels [ Tue Mar 27, 2012 10:15 am ]
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Douchebag wrote:
Bagels wrote:
man i wish i hadn't found this thread :?

Love is shooting 38% from 3 which is good and is 13th in makes, meaning he's taking a lot (lot of the top % leaders have not taken that many)
he does play inside too, its ridiculous to say he doesn't. do you think he gets all those rebounds camping out at the arc ?

He tips them to himself all the way out to the 3 point line. Those kind of rebounds count for 3 or 4.


:lol: :lol: :lol:

Author:  Rod [ Tue Mar 27, 2012 11:10 am ]
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Bagels wrote:
he does play inside too,


Of course he does, but like most guys he'll undoubtedly move further away as his career progresses. I don't find that odd. And I don't find it odd with Boozer or Stoudamire. It's just what guys do.

Author:  Bagels [ Tue Mar 27, 2012 11:19 am ]
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Joe Orr Road Rod wrote:
Bagels wrote:
he does play inside too,


Of course he does, but like most guys he'll undoubtedly move further away as his career progresses. I don't find that odd. And I don't find it odd with Boozer or Stoudamire. It's just what guys do.


but you're making it out to appear as if the reason he's doing that is because he's afraid of contact or is lazy and would just rather shoot jumpers
first of all, he's 2nd in the league in offensive rebounding. if you're camped out at the arc all day, you don't get offensive rebounds.
second, look at the Wolves and tell me what outside threats they have. Ridnour ? Martell Webster ? Wayne Ellington? Beasley? point being if Love played inside all the time he would get double and triple teamed because there is no one that is going to knock down an outside shot for them right now. When Rubio was playing he obviously wasn't doing that consistently either. point being that he pretty much is their best outside option and he needs to knock those down to relieve some of the pressure he sees from defenses

Author:  Rod [ Tue Mar 27, 2012 11:25 am ]
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Bagels wrote:
Joe Orr Road Rod wrote:
Bagels wrote:
he does play inside too,


Of course he does, but like most guys he'll undoubtedly move further away as his career progresses. I don't find that odd. And I don't find it odd with Boozer or Stoudamire. It's just what guys do.


but you're making it out to appear as if the reason he's doing that is because he's afraid of contact or is lazy and would just rather shoot jumpers
first of all, he's 2nd in the league in offensive rebounding. if you're camped out at the arc all day, you don't get offensive rebounds.
second, look at the Wolves and tell me what outside threats they have. Ridnour ? Martell Webster ? Wayne Ellington? Beasley? point being if Love played inside all the time he would get double and triple teamed because there is no one that is going to knock down an outside shot for them right now. When Rubio was playing he obviously wasn't doing that consistently either. point being that he pretty much is their best outside option and he needs to knock those down to relieve some of the pressure he sees from defenses


I'm not suggesting that at all. I'm not saying it's even occurred with Love at this stage of his career. And I don't think any of these guys is "afraid" to bang it out. They all did it at some point. It's just that when they reach a certain point in their careers I think they feel entitled not to have to do that anymore.

I'd compare it to a rookie salesman running leads with Patels. Once you're established you don't have to run Patels anymore. It really doesn't matter that you were the best guy ever at closing Patels. When you're the big dog you ain't running that pain in the balls lead. So you move outside and shoot threes like Steve Kerr.

Author:  Bagels [ Tue Mar 27, 2012 11:27 am ]
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i guess i'm saying he's doing it partly out of necessity
obviously if he was a terrible shooter than he wouldn't be doing it
but he's above average and strange as it may be is the teams best outside threat

Author:  Rod [ Tue Mar 27, 2012 11:34 am ]
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Bagels wrote:
i guess i'm saying he's doing it partly out of necessity
obviously if he was a terrible shooter than he wouldn't be doing it
but he's above average and strange as it may be is the teams best outside threat


Yeah, that may be true and like RPB pointed out, Love isn't a typical big man. He's a hybrid type player who can do big man stuff, play with his back to the basket but also step out and shoot very effectively. I guess what I'm saying is that you'd be hard-pressed to find a big guy who, given the ability to do both things, wouldn't prefer to score from fifteen feet rather than getting the shit beat out of him every night in the low post.

Author:  Bagels [ Tue Mar 27, 2012 12:17 pm ]
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:lol:

Author:  rogers park bryan [ Tue Mar 27, 2012 1:07 pm ]
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Joe Orr Road Rod wrote:
Bagels wrote:
he does play inside too,


Of course he does, but like most guys he'll undoubtedly move further away as his career progresses. I don't find that odd. And I don't find it odd with Boozer or Stoudamire. It's just what guys do.

But Stoudemire and Boozer are not nearly as skilled from outside as Love already is.

So Love's transition will be smoother


Or he may go like Dirk. Go outside TOO Much than have to learn to go back in to win a title.

One thing is clear: He is the greatest TimberWolf ever (Sorry Wally fans, its true)

Author:  conns7901 [ Tue Mar 27, 2012 1:41 pm ]
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rogers park bryan wrote:

One thing is clear: He is the greatest TimberWolf ever (Sorry Wally fans, its true)


Image

Author:  Bagels [ Tue Mar 27, 2012 1:47 pm ]
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took the bait!

Author:  rogers park bryan [ Tue Mar 27, 2012 1:54 pm ]
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conns7901 wrote:
rogers park bryan wrote:

One thing is clear: He is the greatest TimberWolf ever (Sorry Wally fans, its true)


Image

Who is that?

Author:  FavreFan [ Tue Mar 27, 2012 2:02 pm ]
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rogers park bryan wrote:
conns7901 wrote:
rogers park bryan wrote:

One thing is clear: He is the greatest TimberWolf ever (Sorry Wally fans, its true)


Image

Who is that?

NBA Champion (2008)
NBA Most Valuable Player (2004)
NBA Defensive Player of the Year (2008)
14× NBA All-Star (1997–1998, 2000–2011)
4× All-NBA First Team (2000, 2003–2004, 2008)
3× All-NBA Second Team (2001–2002, 2005)
2× All-NBA Third Team (1999, 2007)
9× NBA All-Defensive First Team (2000–2005, 2008–2009, 2011)
2× NBA All-Defensive Second Team (2006–2007)
NBA All-Rookie Second Team (1996)
4× NBA rebounding champion (2004–2007)
NBA All-Star Game MVP (2003)

Author:  rogers park bryan [ Tue Mar 27, 2012 2:11 pm ]
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FavreFan wrote:
rogers park bryan wrote:
Who is that?

NBA Champion (2008) (As a 3rd wheel. He's not even Robin. He's Alfred)
NBA Most Valuable Player (2004) (Choked in the playoffs)
NBA Defensive Player of the Year (2008) (Weak year for D)
14× NBA All-Star (1997–1998, 2000–2011) (Popularity contest)
4× All-NBA First Team (2000, 2003–2004, 2008) (Voting is wrong Duncan was better in every season. They play the same position. Cant pretend Duncan is a Center just to round out the 5.)
3× All-NBA Second Team (2001–2002, 2005) (Second just feels right for him)
2× All-NBA Third Team (1999, 2007) (Ok)
9× NBA All-Defensive First Team (2000–2005, 2008–2009, 2011) (In a time where Defense was weak league wide)

2× NBA All-Defensive Second Team (2006–2007) (who cares)
NBA All-Rookie Second Team (1996) ( :lol: )
4× NBA rebounding champion (2004–2007) (Champion is the wrong word)
NBA All-Star Game MVP (2003) (So was Mitch Richmond)

Author:  FavreFan [ Tue Mar 27, 2012 2:15 pm ]
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What gives you the impression that defense was down during the 2000's?

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